PvE Players tell me why you follow Ashes of Creation

Doesn't matter if the first time you saw Ashes was in kickstarter, or just learned of the project 2 weeks ago.

As a PvE first player, what makes you look forward to PvE in AoC or what was the defining feature that you're looking forward to?

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BlackBrony

I have an alpha 2 key and I will test the game. I will also play it because it's only 15 a month. In the long run? I don't think the game will be for me. I am def playing LOTRO from Amazon. I lost the chance at the other one, not doing it this time.
I know what type of players usually PvP games attrack. Mindless banter and attacking enemies just because. I also know that I will have to play this game with people 24/7. I don't believe you can go farming to your hearts content. I think that's a little bit of a lie from people when they tell it.
Since I also don't think corruption will help the average PvE player.
There's a lot of PvE games coming, and I am def trying those.

Vyril

I'm not really seeing anyone really point out a PvE system that they're excited for, or there are a lot of "PvX" responses.

I personally don't think crafting / gathering is a PvE activity.

The modern WoW, and FF14 players will really struggle to play Ashes. Don't get me wrong I don't think they have to, but there is always an argument in some random thread how this game will have nobody playing because of the lack of PvE first game systems.

So far I'm not seeing why any of those PvE first players even want to look at Ashes.

I know i know, small sample size on a forum.

Noaani

Vyril wrote: »

I'm not really seeing anyone really point out a PvE system that they're excited for, or there are a lot of "PvX" responses.

That is because there aren't any.

I don't see any reason for someone that prefers PvE at all (as in, 49/51 split) to be looking at the game right now - other than in hopes the game will swing back a little as I talked about above.

It doesn't help the PvE crowd that the game didn't have a lead developer for a long while, and Steven doesn't really "get" PvE. In that time, there was basically nothing PvE related even mentioned from Intrepid. This isn't necessarily to say it wasn't worked on - just that Steven is far more inclined to talk about the things he is more passionate about (not a character fault).

Dygz

Garrtok wrote: »

I actually don't get why there are players of MMORPGs that consider themself as PVE players only. For me pvp and PVE were always both part of mmorpgs

Depends on what MMORPGs you played and what servers you played on.
I played MMORPGs so I could get my D&D fix 24/7 with bunches of other D&D fans.
And in D&D, you didn't PvP. I play RPGs - including MMORPGs - to cooperate with other players; not to fight them.

Sathrago

Noaani wrote: »

Vyril wrote: »

I'm not really seeing anyone really point out a PvE system that they're excited for, or there are a lot of "PvX" responses.

That is because there aren't any.

I don't see any reason for someone that prefers PvE at all (as in, 49/51 split) to be looking at the game right now - other than in hopes the game will swing back a little as I talked about above.

It doesn't help the PvE crowd that the game didn't have a lead developer for a long while, and Steven doesn't really "get" PvE. In that time, there was basically nothing PvE related even mentioned from Intrepid. This isn't necessarily to say it wasn't worked on - just that Steven is far more inclined to talk about the things he is more passionate about (not a character fault).

So that whole tower of karthan thing and the cyclops showcase were just things they made by accident for pvp? lol

Can you point to a single video outside of alpha 1 footage that was about showcasing pvp?

Dygz

Vyril wrote: »

The modern WoW, and FF14 players will really struggle to play Ashes. Don't get me wrong I don't think they have to, but there is always an argument in some random thread how this game will have nobody playing because of the lack of PvE first game systems.

So far I'm not seeing why any of those PvE first players even want to look at Ashes.

At this point, they probably don't.

Dygz

Ravicus wrote: »

Exactly. I like to think this way as well. Not everyone can however. Sometimes a person can't help letting emotions control a person and then it becomes personal. I strive to not look at the person behind the monitor. Instead I try to think of that toon as an NPC, just more pixles. Then to me its all just a part of game play.

Has nothing to do with emotions. I don't play RPGs to compete against or fight other players because that was not a thing when I played D&D. So, if I'm going to play an MMORPG, I'm probably going to play on a server where I very rarely, if ever encounter PvP.
And I'm not going to play on a server with players who don't respect the concept of non-consensual PvP.
Which means I'm not going to play on a server that has permanent zones with auto-consent PvP.

Noaani

Sathrago wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Vyril wrote: »

I'm not really seeing anyone really point out a PvE system that they're excited for, or there are a lot of "PvX" responses.

That is because there aren't any.

I don't see any reason for someone that prefers PvE at all (as in, 49/51 split) to be looking at the game right now - other than in hopes the game will swing back a little as I talked about above.

It doesn't help the PvE crowd that the game didn't have a lead developer for a long while, and Steven doesn't really "get" PvE. In that time, there was basically nothing PvE related even mentioned from Intrepid. This isn't necessarily to say it wasn't worked on - just that Steven is far more inclined to talk about the things he is more passionate about (not a character fault).

So that whole tower of karthan thing and the cyclops showcase were just things they made by accident for pvp? lol

Can you point to a single video outside of alpha 1 footage that was about showcasing pvp?

You are taking comments out of context - unsure if on purpose or not - but since I am sick of this shit on these forums, I'm calling it out early.

For reference, in this thread, we are talking about things players that only enjoy PvE are excited about. I am specifically not talking about my perspective or my opinions, and was VERY clear about that at the start of the thread.

So cut this bullshit out right fucking now.

Ayeveegaming1

Dygz wrote: »

Ravicus wrote: »

Exactly. I like to think this way as well. Not everyone can however. Sometimes a person can't help letting emotions control a person and then it becomes personal. I strive to not look at the person behind the monitor. Instead I try to think of that toon as an NPC, just more pixles. Then to me its all just a part of game play.

Has nothing to do with emotions. I don't play RPGs to compete against or fight other players because that was not a thing when I played D&D. So, if I'm going to play an MMORPG, I'm probably going to play on a server where I very rarely, if ever encounter PvP.
And I'm not going to play on a server with players who don't respect the concept of non-consensual PvP.
Which means I'm not going to play on a server that has permanent zones with auto-consent PvP.

yes, we know your stance. My statement is broad. "Has nothing to do with emotion (for me)" is your opinion. Emotion like feeling actual fear from getting pk'd, anxiety, and other reactions are very common for people and they do not like to pvp because of those reasons. Sorry if I was not clear enough. I was not talking about you personally.

BlackBrony

Vyril wrote: »

I'm not really seeing anyone really point out a PvE system that they're excited for, or there are a lot of "PvX" responses.

I personally don't think crafting / gathering is a PvE activity.

The modern WoW, and FF14 players will really struggle to play Ashes. Don't get me wrong I don't think they have to, but there is always an argument in some random thread how this game will have nobody playing because of the lack of PvE first game systems.

So far I'm not seeing why any of those PvE first players even want to look at Ashes.

I know i know, small sample size on a forum.

I don't think Ashes has really PvE systems. There are no dungeons to farm that don't involve PvP, no raids. I mean raids without PvP, raids that could enthral a PvEr.

Sathrago

Noaani wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Vyril wrote: »

I'm not really seeing anyone really point out a PvE system that they're excited for, or there are a lot of "PvX" responses.

That is because there aren't any.

I don't see any reason for someone that prefers PvE at all (as in, 49/51 split) to be looking at the game right now - other than in hopes the game will swing back a little as I talked about above.

It doesn't help the PvE crowd that the game didn't have a lead developer for a long while, and Steven doesn't really "get" PvE. In that time, there was basically nothing PvE related even mentioned from Intrepid. This isn't necessarily to say it wasn't worked on - just that Steven is far more inclined to talk about the things he is more passionate about (not a character fault).

So that whole tower of karthan thing and the cyclops showcase were just things they made by accident for pvp? lol

Can you point to a single video outside of alpha 1 footage that was about showcasing pvp?

You are taking comments out of context - unsure if on purpose or not - but since I am sick of this shit on these forums, I'm calling it out early.

For reference, in this thread, we are talking about things players that only enjoy PvE are excited about. I am specifically not talking about my perspective or my opinions, and was VERY clear about that at the start of the thread.

So cut this bullshit out right fucking now.

Explain why an open world boss or a sprawling tower dungeon are not related to this conversation of things that only pve players would want? I expected you to at least say that pvp can still happen in these locations, but these are very clearly pve-centric additions to the game that, barring the corruption system, would interest pve players.

I don't get what that pity party was about, It's not like I clipped your message into something it wasnt.

Ayeveegaming1

BlackBrony wrote: »

Vyril wrote: »

I'm not really seeing anyone really point out a PvE system that they're excited for, or there are a lot of "PvX" responses.

I personally don't think crafting / gathering is a PvE activity.

The modern WoW, and FF14 players will really struggle to play Ashes. Don't get me wrong I don't think they have to, but there is always an argument in some random thread how this game will have nobody playing because of the lack of PvE first game systems.

So far I'm not seeing why any of those PvE first players even want to look at Ashes.

I know i know, small sample size on a forum.

I don't think Ashes has really PvE systems. There are no dungeons to farm that don't involve PvP, no raids. I mean raids without PvP, raids that could enthral a PvEr.

the only place that you have no chance for pvp is in your house. The rest of the world you have a chance to get attacked.

Kilion

Sounds to me like Dygz is more into the cooperation focused MMORPGs while many (if not most) Ashes enthusiasts prefer a mix of coop and competition, maybe because without any coop the weight of "meaningful content" would be too low and without competition the thrill would be too low.

Both positions seem perfectly understandable to me, but they probably can't occur in the same game as seeing content in the same game but the "other" system would make player feel like they are missing out.

As a primarily PvE player I see the content of Ashes that aligns with that "PvE proclivity" of mine as fun and meaningful enough to put up with the risks of PvP being possible, but that obviously won't be everyones take. Simple as that, no drama.

Noaani

Sathrago wrote: »

I don't get what that pity party was about, It's not like I clipped your message into something it wasnt.

I am talking about others perspectives.

You are demanding I defend their perspective.

Fact is, "they" can't defend their perspective, because "they" aren't interested in this game at all. Not even a little bit.

If you are unable to look at a boss encounter in an open world setting in a game with open world PvP and NOT understand why someone that wants PvE challenge would not consider that encounter to provide PvE challenge, then there is no point in trying to explain it, because you have already proven that you are either incapable of understanding, or more likely unwilling to understand.

Sathrago

Noaani wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

I don't get what that pity party was about, It's not like I clipped your message into something it wasnt.

I am talking about others perspectives.

You are demanding I defend their perspective.

Fact is, "they" can't defend their perspective, because "they" aren't interested in this game at all. Not even a little bit.

If you are unable to look at a boss encounter in an open world setting in a game with open world PvP and NOT understand why someone that wants PvE challenge would not consider that encounter to provide PvE challenge, then there is no point in trying to explain it, because you have already proven that you are either incapable of understanding, or more likely unwilling to understand.

If I add a chance that there will be pvp to any other pve game, lets say mythic + in retail wow. There's a chance that another group will show up during your run. Does that just remove the pve mechanics and factors in that dungeon? Is that now just strictly a pvp experience? Are there now no longer any Pve things to like about that dungeon?

My point I am getting at is that you are completely ignoring/forgetting about the pve side of an encounter just because theres a chance someone can engage you via pvp during it. The thread is about Pve Only players looking for things to like in the game. As it is being designed with both pvp and pve in mind, we can only give examples of pve mechanics/encounters/elements that might draw over a pve player despite the pvp aspects.

Noaani

Sathrago wrote: »

If I add a chance that there will be pvp to any other pve game, lets say mythic + in retail wow. There's a chance that another group will show up during your run. Does that just remove the pve mechanics and factors in that dungeon?

If you add PvP as a factor to actual top end content, that top end content becomes literally impossible. If it is still possible, it is not actual top end content.

This is why open world encounters in games with PvP in such encounters are substantially less precise and demanding than in situations where PvP is not possible.

As such, any encounter in which PvP is possible is simply not providing players with that PvE challenge. It may be providing a PvX challenge, but not a PvE challenge.

While this is something that has been discussed on these forums a number of times, more to the point for me is the fact that this has been proven on live servers in at least one MMO, and so is not up for debate or discussion - at least not with me.

Dygz

Ravicus wrote: »

yes, we know your stance. My statement is broad. "Has nothing to do with emotion (for me)" is your opinion. Emotion like feeling actual fear from getting pk'd, anxiety, and other reactions are very common for people and they do not like to pvp because of those reasons. Sorry if I was not clear enough. I was not talking about you personally.

Fear of getting PK'd and anxiety is mostly a PvPer misperception.
It's not very common at all.

Noaani

Dygz wrote: »

Ravicus wrote: »

yes, we know your stance. My statement is broad. "Has nothing to do with emotion (for me)" is your opinion. Emotion like feeling actual fear from getting pk'd, anxiety, and other reactions are very common for people and they do not like to pvp because of those reasons. Sorry if I was not clear enough. I was not talking about you personally.

Fear of getting PK'd and anxiety is mostly a PvPer misperception.
It's not very common at all.

Indeed.

In my experience, it is more frustration with not being able to do the thing they wanted to do - or at least that thing being made unnecessarily harder.

Mag7spy

Sathrago wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Vyril wrote: »

I'm not really seeing anyone really point out a PvE system that they're excited for, or there are a lot of "PvX" responses.

That is because there aren't any.

I don't see any reason for someone that prefers PvE at all (as in, 49/51 split) to be looking at the game right now - other than in hopes the game will swing back a little as I talked about above.

It doesn't help the PvE crowd that the game didn't have a lead developer for a long while, and Steven doesn't really "get" PvE. In that time, there was basically nothing PvE related even mentioned from Intrepid. This isn't necessarily to say it wasn't worked on - just that Steven is far more inclined to talk about the things he is more passionate about (not a character fault).

So that whole tower of karthan thing and the cyclops showcase were just things they made by accident for pvp? lol

Can you point to a single video outside of alpha 1 footage that was about showcasing pvp?

Great call out, he will try to weasel out of it and flip it around on you though its his mo.

Only pvp they have shown was a incomplete caravan system and one siege. Everything else has been pve related which is a good thing and what we need right now, on top of them keeping the pvx nature of the game in mind.

Fantmx

Vyril wrote: »

Doesn't matter if the first time you saw Ashes was in kickstarter, or just learned of the project 2 weeks ago.

As a PvE first player, what makes you look forward to PvE in AoC or what was the defining feature that you're looking forward to?

Nodes. I have long been waiting on a world that changes with player interaction. Static worlds no longer appeal to me for long periods of time. When I saw Ashes plans prior to their Kickstarter I was convinced this was the best current attempt to make a living world that I wanted to experience. The concept of Nodes was like a dream come true. And with that I accepted that I would have to entertain PvP at times.

Player stories. I have always loved reading the stories that come out of Eve. I personally do not like playing the game but I like the player stories. I want that with a high fantasy setting and I think we will get that with Ashes. That excites me.

Freeholds. The more I have played mmorpgs, from EQ to New World and everything in between, I have grown more and more fond of the idea of contributing to the world through item production and not combat. Freeholds fit that want perfectly.

There are more reasons, but these are the main ones that come to mind.

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