The freeholds are not for casuals. They are for guilds. Should they be for megaguilds or not?

Enough with the casual farmiville QQ.
Freeholds are an important achievement.

Feeeholds should be family locked. Period. This will prevent 1000 member guilds from giving permission to 1000 people to work on the freehold.
Even the battalion permission idea will cause people to stop and think:

"Do I wanna be a nobody with nothing, amongst 1000 people? Or should I join a guild with 50-80 members and rotate batalion/family membership so that I am permitted to gain access to the 'guilds freeholds' ?" Fvck waiting for 1000 other members.

I think such restrictions will further empower meaningful, smaller communities and weaken the strong advantage that big guilds have, the sheer numbers power.

I think freeholds should allow permission to family members only to help small, strong guilds compete for them, whilst the big guilds enjoy the castles.

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Depraved

sell your bow to them!

Dygz wrote: »

Also... doesn't this mean that Crafters now have to hit max Adventurer Level in order to max their Crafter Level?
Lots of Crafters would almost prefer to have minimal Adventurer Level. I'm mean, sometimes you get Adventurer xp just from exploring. But there are Crafters who wish to just focus as much as possible on Crafting rather than being forced to max Adventurer before they can max Crafting.

you can just craft. your adventurer level will increase from getting xp while crafting. afaik you dont need to level up ur adventurer level for artisan profs.

Ayeveegaming1

Man, more and more hypotheticals and strawment. Never ceases to amaze me.

George_Black

Dygz wrote: »

Also... doesn't this mean that Crafters now have to hit max Adventurer Level in order to max their Crafter Level?
Lots of Crafters would almost prefer to have minimal Adventurer Level. I'm mean, sometimes you get Adventurer xp just from exploring. But there are Crafters who wish to just focus as much as possible on Crafting rather than being forced to max Adventurer before they can max Crafting.

You and azrae were always told to forget about Lv1 mastercrafters. It's gamebreaking.
Why are you pretending that this now is somehow and unexpected development?

See how off you are in anything related to this game?
You are on your parallel version of things.

Dygz

Depraved wrote: »

sell your bow to them!

Dygz wrote: »

Also... doesn't this mean that Crafters now have to hit max Adventurer Level in order to max their Crafter Level?
Lots of Crafters would almost prefer to have minimal Adventurer Level. I'm mean, sometimes you get Adventurer xp just from exploring. But there are Crafters who wish to just focus as much as possible on Crafting rather than being forced to max Adventurer before they can max Crafting.

you can just craft. your adventurer level will increase from getting xp while crafting. afaik you dont need to level up ur adventurer level for artisan profs.

You can't get a Freehold until Level 50. And you can only get to Journeyman without a Freehold.

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

sell your bow to them!

Dygz wrote: »

Also... doesn't this mean that Crafters now have to hit max Adventurer Level in order to max their Crafter Level?
Lots of Crafters would almost prefer to have minimal Adventurer Level. I'm mean, sometimes you get Adventurer xp just from exploring. But there are Crafters who wish to just focus as much as possible on Crafting rather than being forced to max Adventurer before they can max Crafting.

you can just craft. your adventurer level will increase from getting xp while crafting. afaik you dont need to level up ur adventurer level for artisan profs.

You can't get a Freehold until Level 50. And you can only get to Journeyman without a Freehold.

you dont need a fh to craft? just to process. but you can still process up to t3 without a fh...
also, your alts probably wont need to level up to 50 to use your fh and you can just process to t5 without leveling your adventurer level by killing mobs or questing.

SirChancelot

Ravicus wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

Boneshatter wrote: »

GW2 has housing, it's mostly irrelevant.

wait... something is wrong.... you are saying games like GW2 or BDO have housing but the majority of players don't care about it?

so you are telling me that even if AoC had no housing system at all, game would still do just fine?

I thought AoC was dead on arrival because not everyone can get access to just 1 out of the 3 housing types they have....

Nobody is saying access to the housing or not is a problem. It's locking parts of the game behind it that you can't do unless you have one.

FFXIV has housing, you don't have to have one to make gear though... That's what people are pointing at.

Sorry to interupt, but I think that is the point. The point is you have to take the freehold from them if they lock you out. Some might be people and allow the max citizens to join and use the freehold as well. But conflict is the game. It is intended that not everyone can get one unless you take one from another. Core design, core mechanic. That is not going to change.

That's the same energy as saying you have to duel someone in town before you can use the forge. Sure that's the same mentality as "risk v reward" and "you have to earn it" but is that really helping the game. I don't think it will help the overall health of the game. I get that there needs to be scarcity, but you don't need conflict for EVERYTHING.

Ayeveegaming1

SirChancelot wrote: »

Ravicus wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

Boneshatter wrote: »

GW2 has housing, it's mostly irrelevant.

wait... something is wrong.... you are saying games like GW2 or BDO have housing but the majority of players don't care about it?

so you are telling me that even if AoC had no housing system at all, game would still do just fine?

I thought AoC was dead on arrival because not everyone can get access to just 1 out of the 3 housing types they have....

Nobody is saying access to the housing or not is a problem. It's locking parts of the game behind it that you can't do unless you have one.

FFXIV has housing, you don't have to have one to make gear though... That's what people are pointing at.

Sorry to interupt, but I think that is the point. The point is you have to take the freehold from them if they lock you out. Some might be people and allow the max citizens to join and use the freehold as well. But conflict is the game. It is intended that not everyone can get one unless you take one from another. Core design, core mechanic. That is not going to change.

That's the same energy as saying you have to duel someone in town before you can use the forge. Sure that's the same mentality as "risk v reward" and "you have to earn it" but is that really helping the game. I don't think it will help the overall health of the game. I get that there needs to be scarcity, but you don't need conflict for EVERYTHING.

Well then you probably will keep banging your head on the wall because that is the way the game is built. Have fun being frustrated I guess.

George_Black

SirChancelot wrote: »

Ravicus wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

Boneshatter wrote: »

GW2 has housing, it's mostly irrelevant.

wait... something is wrong.... you are saying games like GW2 or BDO have housing but the majority of players don't care about it?

so you are telling me that even if AoC had no housing system at all, game would still do just fine?

I thought AoC was dead on arrival because not everyone can get access to just 1 out of the 3 housing types they have....

Nobody is saying access to the housing or not is a problem. It's locking parts of the game behind it that you can't do unless you have one.

FFXIV has housing, you don't have to have one to make gear though... That's what people are pointing at.

Sorry to interupt, but I think that is the point. The point is you have to take the freehold from them if they lock you out. Some might be people and allow the max citizens to join and use the freehold as well. But conflict is the game. It is intended that not everyone can get one unless you take one from another. Core design, core mechanic. That is not going to change.

That's the same energy as saying you have to duel someone in town before you can use the forge. Sure that's the same mentality as "risk v reward" and "you have to earn it" but is that really helping the game. I don't think it will help the overall health of the game. I get that there needs to be scarcity, but you don't need conflict for EVERYTHING.

You do for the important things. That's the way of life.
Conflict shows the value of something.

Abarat

Dygz wrote: »

Also... doesn't this mean that Crafters now have to hit max Adventurer Level in order to max their Crafter Level?
Lots of Crafters would almost prefer to have minimal Adventurer Level. I'm mean, sometimes you get Adventurer xp just from exploring. But there are Crafters who wish to just focus as much as possible on Crafting rather than being forced to max Adventurer before they can max Crafting.

You are not a crafter, are you dygz?

SirChancelot

Sathrago wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

Boneshatter wrote: »

GW2 has housing, it's mostly irrelevant.

wait... something is wrong.... you are saying games like GW2 or BDO have housing but the majority of players don't care about it?

so you are telling me that even if AoC had no housing system at all, game would still do just fine?

I thought AoC was dead on arrival because not everyone can get access to just 1 out of the 3 housing types they have....

Nobody is saying access to the housing or not is a problem. It's locking parts of the game behind it that you can't do unless you have one.

FFXIV has housing, you don't have to have one to make gear though... That's what people are pointing at.

Should legendary materials spawn inside the safest areas of nodes? Should the high end recipes for crafting armor and weapons be freely trained at any node trainer? Why does it suddenly matter that processing has restrictions when the other two have clear restrictions as well?

This is more of a personal opinion, but that's one of the things I liked about it. And because it's the middle step, or the more 'passive' style of crafting it was perfect for the people that aren't out there raiding dungeons for those high end mats.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for everyone having equal access to everything... But I feel like there should be something relevant for everyone. I thought freeholds would be perfect for that "end game" loop for those alt MMO players. The players that don't play MMOs for PvP or PvE, but all the other things. I didn't think the freeholds would be just ANOTHER thing that's exclusive to the no lifers.

George_Black

SirChancelot wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

Boneshatter wrote: »

GW2 has housing, it's mostly irrelevant.

wait... something is wrong.... you are saying games like GW2 or BDO have housing but the majority of players don't care about it?

so you are telling me that even if AoC had no housing system at all, game would still do just fine?

I thought AoC was dead on arrival because not everyone can get access to just 1 out of the 3 housing types they have....

Nobody is saying access to the housing or not is a problem. It's locking parts of the game behind it that you can't do unless you have one.

FFXIV has housing, you don't have to have one to make gear though... That's what people are pointing at.

Should legendary materials spawn inside the safest areas of nodes? Should the high end recipes for crafting armor and weapons be freely trained at any node trainer? Why does it suddenly matter that processing has restrictions when the other two have clear restrictions as well?

This is more of a personal opinion, but that's one of the things I liked about it. And because it's the middle step, or the more 'passive' style of crafting it was perfect for the people that aren't out there raiding dungeons for those high end mats.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for everyone having equal access to everything... But I feel like there should be something relevant for everyone. I thought freeholds would be perfect for that "end game" loop for those alt MMO players. The players that don't play MMOs for PvP or PvE, but all the other things. I didn't think the freeholds would be just ANOTHER thing that's exclusive to the no lifers.

there are mmos to do all those things. Have you never played one? They are there, go play them, while you wait for ashes. What are you doing?

Dygz

Depraved wrote: »

you dont need a fh to craft? just to process. but you can still process up to t3 without a fh...

Same difference.

Dygz

Abarat wrote: »

You are not a crafter, are you dygz?

Why would you think I'm not a Crafter?

Solvryn

Ravicus wrote: »

Man, more and more hypotheticals and strawment. Never ceases to amaze me.

You’ll learn, discord > forums.

Noaani

George_Black wrote: »

Hahahahahahahaha!!! There are no good mmos to play out there and you believe that ANYBODY will turn down AoC when it releases? Everybody and their gamer grandmother will play. Whoever says I won't play is lying to themselves.

I would put money on people still playing Starfield when Ashes releases - even though it will be a few years old at that point.

By that stage, I would have played it through at least once, but the way Ashes is looking, I doubt I would pick it over a second or third playthrough of Starfield.

If Ashes is at all releasing in the same 12 month period as ES6, that would be a few hundred thousand players that just don't even consider Ashes.

Archeage 2 will probably be out before Ashes, the likely result there is that many players not interested in the above games will start up in Archeage 2, switch to Ashes for somewhere between one and three months, but then return to Archeage 2 after that period. This is especially true if Archeage 2 has Archages land system, and Ashes has the freehold system as we currently understand it - most players will stick with Archeage 2 where they have a sense of ownership and control over that little piece of the otherwise chaotic world (the as yet unmentioned real reason most people that want a freehold actually want one).

As I've said before, I know a LOT of people that were looking at Ashes but are now not even considering it - even some with lifetime subscriptions. I have some number of months paid so far, but if I don't consider the game to be the most enjoyable game for me to play, I simply won't play it. The time I have to spend playing games is far more valuable to me than $15 a month.

George_Black

You know, I am getting tired people saying "I will play this and that over AoC".
You better have a forum acc on all the games you just mentioned instead of being here every minute.

Noaani

George_Black wrote: »

You know, I am getting tired people saying "I will play this and that over AoC".
You better have a forum acc on all the games you just mentioned instead of being here every minute.

I come here to try and make this game better.

I have nothing but trust that Bethseda will make a good game in both Starfield and ES6. I have no doubt Archeage 2 is being made for the Korean market and so my voice will not be heard. I may well be active with in any community around a potential NA/EU release.

Based on the above, I have no reason to be posting anywhere other than here.

Lucky you.

George_Black

I see you know when you are unwanted.

Noaani

George_Black wrote: »

I see you know when you are unwanted.

I know my audience.

George_Black

Noaani wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

I see you know when you are unwanted.

I know my audience.

Most ppl skip your posts. I skip tjem nearly always.

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