Summons as Mounts

I was doing my daily day dreaming about how cool I hope the summoner will be. Thinking about how I hope you can interact with your summons, and about how I hope that they feel natural and apart of the world with you as opposed to a mindless NPC following you around, teleporting to you every time you jump on to a rock that it can’t find pathing for.

This got me thinking of one step more to go in my dream summoner list. Rideable summons. And I’m not talking about a creature I specifically summon to ride, but rather any summon you would use in every day combat, that is reasonably appropriate for you to ride.

(Glimmering Geode as a regular mount really opens up the possibilities here).

I think this would not only add to that experience of playing the game with your summoner partner, but could also add some unique combat to really set the summoner apart.

Two things the wiki states are that mounts will have abilities, and the summoner will essentially be playing through their summon. So what if we go even further with this and when the summoner is riding their summon they can use any of those abilities that are directly done through their summon.

I certainly assume there will be summoner abilities that are not directly through their summon, and all of these can be turned off while mounted just like everyone else, but if I’m sending us down the slippery slope of being able to ride our combat summons I might as well go all the way.

Tbh I was surprised I wasn’t able to find anything directly in the wiki that confirmed, denied, or even said “being discussed” about this.

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Ludullu

This sounds like a great question for this upcoming dev stream

willsummon

That would make sense.

Also, a summoner that can summon people to a location for a party or raid.

HumblePuffin

willsummon wrote: »

That would make sense.

Also, a summoner that can summon people to a location for a party or raid.

I don’t know why I had not considered it before. Could make a really interesting playstyle for the summoner.

I don’t know how keen I am on the idea of summoning people just because of how limited fast travel is in this game.

If it was to be included though I would vote for it to be something you had to invest a lot of skill points in to receive it.

Ludullu

willsummon wrote: »

Also, a summoner that can summon people to a location for a party or raid.

In a world with no TPs this wouldn't work, because summoners would immediately become required for all activities in all guilds. And most people would be asked to level a summoner to the lvl where he can TP others and place that character in some juicy location.

This will just break the whole point of "travel time means something in Ashes".

There's the family TP stuff, but I feel like it'll get removed sooner rather than later, for this exact reason.

Dygz

Summons are different than Pets and Mounts.

HumblePuffin

Correct.

I am saying it would be cool if summons, that make sense to, could act like mounts.

As funny as it may be, I’m not talking about riding a skeleton around the world, rather animals or other seemingly rideable creatures we could summon.

George_Black

willsummon wrote: »

That would make sense.

Also, a summoner that can summon people to a location for a party or raid.

The Devs dont want that. It's gamebreaking.
There may be some summoning between family members on high cooldown.

Spif

Any kind of "summon to me" will immediately bring on a horde of summon-alts, and you instantly have a way to move trade goods around the world without risk. Game breaking.

All players can summon mounts from an item in their backpack. Why would a Summoner want to give up a combat pet to have something to ride? Or worse put skill points into having a mount-summon just so it would be as good as other mounts?

HumblePuffin

Spif wrote: »

All players can summon mounts from an item in their backpack. Why would a Summoner want to give up a combat pet to have something to ride? Or worse put skill points into having a mount-summon just so it would be as good as other mounts?

I am not asking a summoner to give something up. I am asking for them to be able to use the thing they already summon as a mount as well within reason.

You would not be wasting skills points to make them as good as other mounts. I am asking them to use the same abilities you would already be able to use through them as the summoner.

Example being if my summon has a swipe claw attack I can normally tell it to use, allow me to use that swipe claw attack in a mounted state as well, just like I would be able to use any other mounts abilities.

From a summoners perspective this feels more seamless. I have a reasonably size animal summon. I can ride other things that look rather similar to this, so let me just ride this. Why do I need to summon an entirely different mount, when my summon is already basically all of the same things as a mount?

Krakhun

willsummon wrote: »

That would make sense.

Also, a summoner that can summon people to a location for a party or raid.

I kinda like that, all classes are suposed to have some utility. That could be a high lvl utility skill.

HumblePuffin

Krakhun wrote: »

willsummon wrote: »

That would make sense.

Also, a summoner that can summon people to a location for a party or raid.

I kinda like that, all classes are suposed to have some utility. That could be a high lvl utility skill.

Yeah that’s why I kinda was like “eh maybe” about it.

Maybe there’s a world that it’s balanced as something tucked away so far down the summoners journey that it won’t be broken, but the others are right, with the current amount of limited fast travel in the game it’s probably broken.

Reaaaaaaally just want my rideable summon here.

Dygz

And some people really want to shape-shift...

HumblePuffin

Dygz wrote: »

And some people really want to shape-shift...

Man me too. But there’s definitely a difference between a whole new set of mechanics and animations, and flipping the switch that says I can ride my class summoned thing that is almost identical to some other rideable creature in the game that share extremely similar if not exactly the same base model and rigging points.

PherPhur

HumblePuffin wrote: »

teleporting to you every time you jump on to a rock that it can’t find pathing for.

I would like to see a summoner ability "recall" to bring your summons on top of you so that you can use it in sticky situations.

@NiKr I don't think it'll be removed, rather just some high 12 or 24 hour cooldown on it, with a similarly high cooldown on inviting people to the family to prevent people from using it to sell processing bench access constantly.

I would sure like to see the teleport removed though.

Raven016

Dygz wrote: »

And some people really want to shape-shift...

Then one should shapeshift into a horse...

HumblePuffin

I’m gonna keep going down the “this is a great idea” rabbit hole with myself here.

For myself, the games I have played with a “pet class”, said “pet class” always has crap movement abilities. Some are more turrety of a casting style, some have dots and you just run around like a mad man until everything dies, some keep super shitty telegraphed portals that you need to set up and know where you will need them before the battle even starts. We don’t get blinks, or speed ups, or leaps.

But worry no more!

Need to reposition? Meet up with your summon, mount up and close that distance! Make that space! Fear not about make sure you’re following ABC, because mounts in ashes have abilities and so does your rideable summon! You’ll always be casting while actually being able to effectively maneuver fights. Tired of summons not pathing correctly in dungeons and pulling a whole bunch of mobs you didn’t mean to? Tired of always need to unsummon and resummon? Worry no more! Just hop on to your rideable summon in this tight spaces and your summon goes right where you want it to! All of this and more can be yours if intrepid just flips that little switch and lets us have it rideable summons!

Ludullu

PherPhur wrote: »

NiKr I don't think it'll be removed, rather just some high 12 or 24 hour cooldown on it, with a similarly high cooldown on inviting people to the family to prevent people from using it to sell processing bench access constantly.

That's the thing though, Steven wants people to sell their family access, instead of Intrepid just making a system-based service for this. So if they put big limitations on changing families that kinda breaks that whole approach.

But in the classic Steven fashion we have this nugget of gold (from 2020)

So once again Steven is adding contradictory designs into his game and will then have to wiggle himself out of those contradictions.

HumblePuffin

Not to derail the thread because rideable summons ate very important, but they never said they want you to sell your family access, they just said you could.

That’s all though. Rideable summons make sense, would be great summoner flavor, and can potentially work as a solution to summoners tending to have poor movement skills.

Dolyem

I'd say as long as they don't make animal husbandry obsolete to summoner it would be whatever. Basic mount summons as a utility at later levels

willsummon

Dygz wrote: »

And some people really want to shape-shift...

They have to save something for the expansion.

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