Cast time as a game mechanic is perfect.

Watching the cleric showcase and using cast time as a way to interact with an encounter is perfect. I think this concept should be applied to all classes. Usually cast time is just to balance out more powerful abilities, the way the cleric was demonstrated it was used as a way to customize existing abilities on the fly. The toolkit gets exponentially larger with this in place, definitely keep it.

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Hutchy1989

I wonder if they are going to add sweet spots for casting as well. For example in the ranged basic attacks showcase they had a snipe skill that you charge up and it has this circle shrink down to a point expand and shrink again at the end of the cast, It would be cool if you shoot the arrow when the circle is fully shrunk it counts as full cast.

Theres some skill to be had with the chain heal skill, if you know where in the bar all breakpoints are you will be able to get a lot more effciency out of casting perfectly if you dont need to heal 5 targets.

Solvryn

Diamaht wrote: »

Watching the cleric showcase and using cast time as a way to interact with an encounter is perfect. I think this concept should be applied to all classes. Usually cast time is just to balance out more powerful abilities, the way the cleric was demonstrated it was used as a way to customize existing abilities on the fly. The toolkit gets exponentially larger with this in place, definitely keep it.

I'd be hard pressed to see cast time work well on a melee character.

Meztopheles

Solvryn wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

Watching the cleric showcase and using cast time as a way to interact with an encounter is perfect. I think this concept should be applied to all classes. Usually cast time is just to balance out more powerful abilities, the way the cleric was demonstrated it was used as a way to customize existing abilities on the fly. The toolkit gets exponentially larger with this in place, definitely keep it.

I'd be hard pressed to see cast time work well on a melee character.

It wouldn't be a "cast-time" precisely, but imagine a berserker or tank with a held ability that, for every hit he sustained while holding, does more damage when released. It's not a "cast" exactly, but it's a hold with different effects depending on how long it's held and what happens during that time. So, I don't think it'll be universally applicable, but there are use cases.

Depraved

Solvryn wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

Watching the cleric showcase and using cast time as a way to interact with an encounter is perfect. I think this concept should be applied to all classes. Usually cast time is just to balance out more powerful abilities, the way the cleric was demonstrated it was used as a way to customize existing abilities on the fly. The toolkit gets exponentially larger with this in place, definitely keep it.

I'd be hard pressed to see cast time work well on a melee character.

elven warriors in l2

Fidele

Depraved wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

Watching the cleric showcase and using cast time as a way to interact with an encounter is perfect. I think this concept should be applied to all classes. Usually cast time is just to balance out more powerful abilities, the way the cleric was demonstrated it was used as a way to customize existing abilities on the fly. The toolkit gets exponentially larger with this in place, definitely keep it.

I'd be hard pressed to see cast time work well on a melee character.

elven warriors in l2

TheDarkSorcerer

Pass. Great for PvE... i guess.... Horrible for PvP.

I can't see anyone running those spells in PvP unless it gives immunity to dmg while casting and that you can't get interrupted.

Depraved

well, attack speed is basically casting speed for warriors...its the same thing. you could say every warrior has casting speed

Solvryn

Depraved wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

Watching the cleric showcase and using cast time as a way to interact with an encounter is perfect. I think this concept should be applied to all classes. Usually cast time is just to balance out more powerful abilities, the way the cleric was demonstrated it was used as a way to customize existing abilities on the fly. The toolkit gets exponentially larger with this in place, definitely keep it.

I'd be hard pressed to see cast time work well on a melee character.

elven warriors in l2

I never played L2.

Liniker

I can't imagine casting skills on a tank or fighter besides skills that you can charge

Diamaht

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

Pass. Great for PvE... i guess.... Horrible for PvP.

I can't see anyone running those spells in PvP unless it gives immunity to dmg while casting and that you can't get interrupted.

Wouldn't need immunity, just time and space. With stuns and other cc you can find windows for this stuff.

Plenty of games have this. But, instead an ability that only has a long cast time, you have abilities that can be used quickly as an alternative with differing/less effect.

For melee its just a quick bash vs a sledgehammer. You just need to create a window for it. Insta cast only is kinda boring for pvp tbh.

KingDDD

Cast times on melee makes melee unplayable in pvp unless there's enough cc to actually land those abilities.

No one wants that amount of cc.

Veeshan

Diamaht wrote: »

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

Pass. Great for PvE... i guess.... Horrible for PvP.

I can't see anyone running those spells in PvP unless it gives immunity to dmg while casting and that you can't get interrupted.

Wouldn't need immunity, just time and space. With stuns and other cc you can find windows for this stuff.

Plenty of games have this. But, instead an ability that only has a long cast time, you have abilities that can be used quickly as an alternative with differing/less effect.

For melee its just a quick bash vs a sledgehammer. You just need to create a window for it. Insta cast only is kinda boring for pvp tbh.

and it being balanced for group play aswell so one would think your party can vcreate your space to cast i also suspect with 8 player group size you will often see 2 healers or 1 heal and 1 off healer to cross support if main healer getting pushed

Diamaht

KingDDD wrote: »

Cast times on melee makes melee unplayable in pvp unless there's enough cc to actually land those abilities.

No one wants that amount of cc.

"No one"

Disagree completely. PvP in most games is boring because there are no options or group interplay. The abilities have no versatility and your group-mates have no effect on what you do. Everyone is basically single player. You just watch your parse and yell at people who don't keep up with a set rotation. That's boring, and that's not an mmo.

This game is supposed to be about group play.

Let your group mates set you up for a big strike. Require it, by creating a Meta around it, and you wind up with dynamic pvp.

Diamaht

Veeshan wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

Pass. Great for PvE... i guess.... Horrible for PvP.

I can't see anyone running those spells in PvP unless it gives immunity to dmg while casting and that you can't get interrupted.

Wouldn't need immunity, just time and space. With stuns and other cc you can find windows for this stuff.

Plenty of games have this. But, instead an ability that only has a long cast time, you have abilities that can be used quickly as an alternative with differing/less effect.

For melee its just a quick bash vs a sledgehammer. You just need to create a window for it. Insta cast only is kinda boring for pvp tbh.

and it being balanced for group play aswell so one would think your party can vcreate your space to cast i also suspect with 8 player group size you will often see 2 healers or 1 heal and 1 off healer to cross support if main healer getting pushed

Sounds great to me.

Austrinaut

I'd be hard pressed to see cast time work well on a melee character. [/quote]

It becomes the literal feint. Same as in boxing when they telegraph a big right swing and then pop them with the left. Be even better if you can cancel an ability and partially reset the cooldown. Oh. Devs think about that for a passive skill for fighters and rogues if you havent already.

Depraved

Liniker wrote: »

I can't imagine casting skills on a tank or fighter besides skills that you can charge

bruh come on. elemental heal, entangle, hex, shillen knight skills, soul hound skills, self buffs...etc etc etc...

KingDDD wrote: »

Cast times on melee makes melee unplayable in pvp unless there's enough cc to actually land those abilities.

No one wants that amount of cc.

well, attack speed is basically cast time for melees (and btw you can have magic melees who use casting speed and magic attacks .-.).

maybe you ust have played games where physical type characters only get gear and buffs to increase attack speed and not casting speed, and magic type characters only get casting pseed gear and buffs...but not all games are like that...

i think people have played only the same 3-5 mmorpg so they think anything that wasnt done there is a bad mechanic or something T_T

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

shillen knight skills

My first ever p2w donation was for an OEd Arcana Mace for my SK who wore mage dark crystal. I won more pvps as a "mage tank" than I ever did as a pure tank.

People really do be real limited in their comprehension of design possibilities.

Depraved

NiKr wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

shillen knight skills

My first ever p2w donation was for an OEd Arcana Mace for my SK who wore mage dark crystal. I won more pvps as a "mage tank" than I ever did as a pure tank.

People really do be real limited in their comprehension of design possibilities.

wow p2w donator =x xDDD

true though, i think its because they have only played a couple of the most popular mmorpg, so they havent seen anything different, or they also lack creativity, which is fine, since most people arent creative

Spif

There are some opportunities for charge/channel abilities on melee. They may need to be run-castable as opposed to slow-walk castable, but maybe not, because snares and knockdowns are a thing

Example 1: a buff that that grows in duration or effect the longer you hold it (higher duration, more self-effect or more party members affected). This pays time to get more effect, and would be great for PvP, especially if it had a graphical effect that others could see, and prepare for, like for melee tanks a self CC-immunity buff. For MDPS a damage buff/aura

Example 2: A 1.5s Blade Flurry channeled attack that deals high damage every 0.5s. You can only slow-walk during it, so you only use it after a knockdown/snare. If they burn a CC-break or dodge to avoid the Flurry, that's part of the game.

KingDDD

Diamaht wrote: »

KingDDD wrote: »

Cast times on melee makes melee unplayable in pvp unless there's enough cc to actually land those abilities.

No one wants that amount of cc.

"No one"

Disagree completely. PvP in most games is boring because there are no options or group interplay. The abilities have no versatility and your group-mates have no effect on what you do. Everyone is basically single player. You just watch your parse and yell at people who don't keep up with a set rotation. That's boring, and that's not an mmo.

This game is supposed to be about group play.

Let your group mates set you up for a big strike. Require it, by creating a Meta around it, and you wind up with dynamic pvp.

You think you're advocating for skill, but in reality you are making range king. Melee requiring specific comps to even be viable makes melee unviable.

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