PvE Players tell me why you follow Ashes of Creation

Doesn't matter if the first time you saw Ashes was in kickstarter, or just learned of the project 2 weeks ago.

As a PvE first player, what makes you look forward to PvE in AoC or what was the defining feature that you're looking forward to?

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Ludullu

Raven016 wrote: »

Everything is subject to change.

Yes, we all hide behind that phrase in hopes of that change being in our favor

Liniker

Raven016 wrote: »

Everything is subject to change.

True, they can end up making a basketball single-player game instead of a fantasy MMORPG,

Raven016

NiKr wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Everything is subject to change.

Yes, we all hide behind that phrase in hopes of that change being in our favor

I don't. They cannot change it in a way that stops me playing it, at least as a 2nd backup mmo. Unless they...

Liniker wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Everything is subject to change.

True, they can end up making a basketball single-player game instead of a fantasy MMORPG,

But there are still many details missing, which are not even needed to be revealed before Alpha 2 starts.
And those balancing parameters could fluctuate during Alpha 2. That's the fun part of this stage.

Isth3reno1else

Raven016 wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I'm unsure how you are trying to compare it to a daily quest.

That's how it feels to me.
Sieges will probably not happen often. The game offers similar content as castle sieges.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Castle_sieges

At the end of each week leading up to a castle siege there is a period of time in the weekend where NPC generated caravans start moving toward one of the castle nodes carrying castle taxes from the nodes that fall under the castle's purview.[27][36]

Not daily but weekly.
Eventually you will start seeing all caravans the same, whether initiated by NPC, mayor or guild leader.
Walking along the caravan and maybe nothing happening. For the greater benefit of some group.

Mag7spy wrote: »

A server where everyone just pks each other for no reason, is not meaningful conflict it is just random ganking - griefing.

Without evil there is no good.
If the game prevents evil and chaos, players will feel less rewarded achieving order.
How can you balance this?
Who is the target audience?
Open world PvPers are those who cause the ganking. It is a normal reality for them. The way how conflict rules are set, seems that PvPers are pushed away. But is not a PvE game either because they have to PvP.

Pvp over caravans will come down to a scarcity of resources. If you can stack resources needlessly to a point where you don't need to trade for progression, caravans and caravan raids will not happen.

If you need a particular type of resource and it isn't available in your area you'll have to trade for it. If done correctly these resources are inherently valuable for everyone and worth fighting over.

It will come down to how the systems are tweaked, but as a pvper I am more intrigued about node wars, castle wars, caravans and open sea pvp compared to corruption. Getting paid in resources for raiding caravans sounds good to me and would be a welcome change over getting nothing of value for pvp'ing in my current games.

Grushak

PVE is listening to the wind in the foliage, seeing your companions, grabbing their weapons and sharpening them. Then enter this cave, this tunnel, this ruin, towards the unknown. Explore and take the time to laugh at our exploits in a tavern. It is to fight, united against an enemy who is at home. It's meeting during an IRL and throwing jokes about our past mistakes, our voluntary or involuntary exploits. It's action in quiet

Raven016

Isth3reno1else wrote: »

Getting paid in resources for raiding caravans sounds good to me and would be a welcome change over getting nothing of value for pvp'ing in my current games.

Definitely!

Mag7spy

Raven016 wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I'm unsure how you are trying to compare it to a daily quest.

That's how it feels to me.
Sieges will probably not happen often. The game offers similar content as castle sieges.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Castle_sieges

At the end of each week leading up to a castle siege there is a period of time in the weekend where NPC generated caravans start moving toward one of the castle nodes carrying castle taxes from the nodes that fall under the castle's purview.[27][36]

Not daily but weekly.
Eventually you will start seeing all caravans the same, whether initiated by NPC, mayor or guild leader.
Walking along the caravan and maybe nothing happening. For the greater benefit of some group.

Mag7spy wrote: »

A server where everyone just pks each other for no reason, is not meaningful conflict it is just random ganking - griefing.

Without evil there is no good.
If the game prevents evil and chaos, players will feel less rewarded achieving order.
How can you balance this?
Who is the target audience?
Open world PvPers are those who cause the ganking. It is a normal reality for them. The way how conflict rules are set, seems that PvPers are pushed away. But is not a PvE game either because they have to PvP.

This bottom part just sounds like random RP to me good and evil doesn't really matter when we are talking what and how the game is designed. I'm unsure where you are getting this players are rewarded for achieving good, there is no gameplay system in place except being a bounty hunter to punish corrupt players.

To focus in on this good / evil thing. Please tell me on how players will feel rewarded from killing random people pvping everywhere. Please explain to me why people are going to be motivated to do that?

The effect it actually will have is reducing the amount of people interested int he game from people getting annoyed and constantly having to fight. Again I feel you you are trying to use rp words to doll it up than looking at the actual reality.

If you were using good /evil in meaningful pvp as i stated above group based, objective, guild wars, etc. It would make more sense atleast....I feel liek you are trying to use good / evil makes things meaningful yet trying to use it to advocate for random PvP everywhere that is not focused on group play (or any sense of meaning) but simply the selfishly nature of other players lol. That isn't good or evil, it is just random pvp.

Based on what the developers are designing to be meaningful PvP is really what matters at the end of the day. Im a heavy ganker i kill people for 0 reason or reasons i make up. They are the most meaningless pvp experiences ever. Any interesting PvP that was meaningful was around drama, story and wars, objective base gameplay.

Going to point out caravans right here.

If you are trying to stop a caravan before a siege that sounds like meaningful pvp right there since you are having a impact and they have a reason to protect and stop you so they get their tax money. The idea you think this is not meaningful in a world where you need things to progress your node and build defenses is insanely silly. You think because of repetition it is not meaningful if there are consequences on failing???

You realize if you are leading up to a siege you don't have sieges every week....there is a limit based on the node level. I'm unsure why you are using this as a argument that is is family (not that daily does not mean it is meaningful). If it has a big impact on the node people are going to feel the need to defend, it is going to make it more competitive with stronger figure coming out to fight and create great interesting pvp events. How can you not see this?

We will need to learn more about caravans but the points you are bringing up like you can only use a caravans one a week makes no sense since you spawn it when you need to deliver resources per player...Pleas read up on the wiki so you can understand more so how it works with the limited information we have.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Caravanserai

Again either way if caravans are weekly and their is reason to defend them that is meaningful content. If it is not meaningful to you for reasons like (you don't care about the node, don't want to defend it, don't care if you lose things, etc etc) That would be on you and dealing with the consequences.

This idea that PvP is good/ evil because people can gank in ow is pretty silly to think that is meaningful content. It can create fun things and lead to bigger things time to time, but to not people it is generally annoying and why you don't need people being pk'd every second pointlessly.

Ganking is not actually pvp when you compare it to actual meaningful pvp. Though ganking does create a fun element of friction and danger in the world. And the dose of that needs to be limited since people are unrelenting in a way that does not creative a positive or fun experience.

Raven016

Mag7spy wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I'm unsure how you are trying to compare it to a daily quest.

That's how it feels to me.
Sieges will probably not happen often. The game offers similar content as castle sieges.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Castle_sieges

At the end of each week leading up to a castle siege there is a period of time in the weekend where NPC generated caravans start moving toward one of the castle nodes carrying castle taxes from the nodes that fall under the castle's purview.[27][36]

Not daily but weekly.
Eventually you will start seeing all caravans the same, whether initiated by NPC, mayor or guild leader.
Walking along the caravan and maybe nothing happening. For the greater benefit of some group.

Mag7spy wrote: »

A server where everyone just pks each other for no reason, is not meaningful conflict it is just random ganking - griefing.

Without evil there is no good.
If the game prevents evil and chaos, players will feel less rewarded achieving order.
How can you balance this?
Who is the target audience?
Open world PvPers are those who cause the ganking. It is a normal reality for them. The way how conflict rules are set, seems that PvPers are pushed away. But is not a PvE game either because they have to PvP.

This bottom part just sounds like random RP to me good and evil doesn't really matter when we are talking what and how the game is designed. I'm unsure where you are getting this players are rewarded for achieving good, there is no gameplay system in place except being a bounty hunter to punish corrupt players.

To focus in on this good / evil thing. Please tell me on how players will feel rewarded from killing random people pvping everywhere. Please explain to me why people are going to be motivated to do that?

The effect it actually will have is reducing the amount of people interested int he game from people getting annoyed and constantly having to fight. Again I feel you you are trying to use rp words to doll it up than looking at the actual reality.

If you were using good /evil in meaningful pvp as i stated above group based, objective, guild wars, etc. It would make more sense atleast....I feel liek you are trying to use good / evil makes things meaningful yet trying to use it to advocate for random PvP everywhere that is not focused on group play (or any sense of meaning) but simply the selfishly nature of other players lol. That isn't good or evil, it is just random pvp.

Based on what the developers are designing to be meaningful PvP is really what matters at the end of the day. Im a heavy ganker i kill people for 0 reason or reasons i make up. They are the most meaningless pvp experiences ever. Any interesting PvP that was meaningful was around drama, story and wars, objective base gameplay.

Going to point out caravans right here.

If you are trying to stop a caravan before a siege that sounds like meaningful pvp right there since you are having a impact and they have a reason to protect and stop you so they get their tax money. The idea you think this is not meaningful in a world where you need things to progress your node and build defenses is insanely silly. You think because of repetition it is not meaningful if there are consequences on failing???

You realize if you are leading up to a siege you don't have sieges every week....there is a limit based on the node level. I'm unsure why you are using this as a argument that is is family (not that daily does not mean it is meaningful). If it has a big impact on the node people are going to feel the need to defend, it is going to make it more competitive with stronger figure coming out to fight and create great interesting pvp events. How can you not see this?

We will need to learn more about caravans but the points you are bringing up like you can only use a caravans one a week makes no sense since you spawn it when you need to deliver resources per player...Pleas read up on the wiki so you can understand more so how it works with the limited information we have.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Caravanserai

Again either way if caravans are weekly and their is reason to defend them that is meaningful content. If it is not meaningful to you for reasons like (you don't care about the node, don't want to defend it, don't care if you lose things, etc etc) That would be on you and dealing with the consequences.

This idea that PvP is good/ evil because people can gank in ow is pretty silly to think that is meaningful content. It can create fun things and lead to bigger things time to time, but to not people it is generally annoying and why you don't need people being pk'd every second pointlessly.

Ganking is not actually pvp when you compare it to actual meaningful pvp. Though ganking does create a fun element of friction and danger in the world. And the dose of that needs to be limited since people are unrelenting in a way that does not creative a positive or fun experience.

You like talking quite a lot and baiting to get more information.
But I will not tell you how I play and why I enjoy playing the games the way I do.

Dygz

Castle-node Sieges happen each week. And there are 5 Castles per server.
Caravans associated with those.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Castle-node Sieges happen each week. And there are 5 Castles per server.
Caravans associated with those.

Please read the link if you don't get how it works or what I'm trying to say thanks.

Mag7spy

Raven016 wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I'm unsure how you are trying to compare it to a daily quest.

That's how it feels to me.
Sieges will probably not happen often. The game offers similar content as castle sieges.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Castle_sieges

At the end of each week leading up to a castle siege there is a period of time in the weekend where NPC generated caravans start moving toward one of the castle nodes carrying castle taxes from the nodes that fall under the castle's purview.[27][36]

Not daily but weekly.
Eventually you will start seeing all caravans the same, whether initiated by NPC, mayor or guild leader.
Walking along the caravan and maybe nothing happening. For the greater benefit of some group.

Mag7spy wrote: »

A server where everyone just pks each other for no reason, is not meaningful conflict it is just random ganking - griefing.

Without evil there is no good.
If the game prevents evil and chaos, players will feel less rewarded achieving order.
How can you balance this?
Who is the target audience?
Open world PvPers are those who cause the ganking. It is a normal reality for them. The way how conflict rules are set, seems that PvPers are pushed away. But is not a PvE game either because they have to PvP.

This bottom part just sounds like random RP to me good and evil doesn't really matter when we are talking what and how the game is designed. I'm unsure where you are getting this players are rewarded for achieving good, there is no gameplay system in place except being a bounty hunter to punish corrupt players.

To focus in on this good / evil thing. Please tell me on how players will feel rewarded from killing random people pvping everywhere. Please explain to me why people are going to be motivated to do that?

The effect it actually will have is reducing the amount of people interested int he game from people getting annoyed and constantly having to fight. Again I feel you you are trying to use rp words to doll it up than looking at the actual reality.

If you were using good /evil in meaningful pvp as i stated above group based, objective, guild wars, etc. It would make more sense atleast....I feel liek you are trying to use good / evil makes things meaningful yet trying to use it to advocate for random PvP everywhere that is not focused on group play (or any sense of meaning) but simply the selfishly nature of other players lol. That isn't good or evil, it is just random pvp.

Based on what the developers are designing to be meaningful PvP is really what matters at the end of the day. Im a heavy ganker i kill people for 0 reason or reasons i make up. They are the most meaningless pvp experiences ever. Any interesting PvP that was meaningful was around drama, story and wars, objective base gameplay.

Going to point out caravans right here.

If you are trying to stop a caravan before a siege that sounds like meaningful pvp right there since you are having a impact and they have a reason to protect and stop you so they get their tax money. The idea you think this is not meaningful in a world where you need things to progress your node and build defenses is insanely silly. You think because of repetition it is not meaningful if there are consequences on failing???

You realize if you are leading up to a siege you don't have sieges every week....there is a limit based on the node level. I'm unsure why you are using this as a argument that is is family (not that daily does not mean it is meaningful). If it has a big impact on the node people are going to feel the need to defend, it is going to make it more competitive with stronger figure coming out to fight and create great interesting pvp events. How can you not see this?

We will need to learn more about caravans but the points you are bringing up like you can only use a caravans one a week makes no sense since you spawn it when you need to deliver resources per player...Pleas read up on the wiki so you can understand more so how it works with the limited information we have.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Caravanserai

Again either way if caravans are weekly and their is reason to defend them that is meaningful content. If it is not meaningful to you for reasons like (you don't care about the node, don't want to defend it, don't care if you lose things, etc etc) That would be on you and dealing with the consequences.

This idea that PvP is good/ evil because people can gank in ow is pretty silly to think that is meaningful content. It can create fun things and lead to bigger things time to time, but to not people it is generally annoying and why you don't need people being pk'd every second pointlessly.

Ganking is not actually pvp when you compare it to actual meaningful pvp. Though ganking does create a fun element of friction and danger in the world. And the dose of that needs to be limited since people are unrelenting in a way that does not creative a positive or fun experience.

You like talking quite a lot and baiting to get more information.
But I will not tell you how I play and why I enjoy playing the games the way I do.

What you enjoy (griefing included) does not matter when it comes to what is meaningful conflict based on the game design and what they have decided can create impact.

Choose to ignore the effects it has on the world and say it is not meaningful is either ignorance or you not able to be competitive in the pvp scene that will become established.

Dygz

Please read the link if you don't get how it works or what I'm trying to say thanks.

"At the end of each week leading up to a castle siege there is a period of time in the weekend where NPC generated caravans start moving toward one of the castle nodes carrying castle taxes from the nodes that fall under the castle's purview.
During this time it is incumbent upon the owning guild, its allies, and citizens of the nodes to escort these caravans to the castle node.
The enemies of the guild have incentive to attack these caravans to reap the rewards from the caravan and to sabotage the tax collection, which will reduce the defensive capability of the castle nodes and hence the castle itself.
Citizens of nodes that fall under the purview of the castle are automatically registered as defenders of these caravans and may not participate in attacks against them."
---https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Castle_sieges

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

Please read the link if you don't get how it works or what I'm trying to say thanks.

Unless I missed it, that page doesn't say anything about castle node sieges. Caravans aren't sieges.

Balanz

I have only ever played one MMO, EverQuest, and haven't played that for almost two decades. I have been strictly PvE.

Ashes of Creation impresses the hell out of me, the scope, the design, the vision, and the discipline of the developers.

It is obvious to me that PvP is absolutely central to the design of Ashes of Creation; without it, the Node System would collapse like wet tissue paper.

PvP therefore is simply the price of admission. If I want to play this game, I better learn to deal with it.

I expect a vibrant game world, active in game communities, a thriving economy, worthwhile crafting, exploration and adventure.

So I will throw myself into the game that is being offered, and see what happens.

Dygz

NiKr wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Please read the link if you don't get how it works or what I'm trying to say thanks.

Unless I missed it, that page doesn't say anything about castle node sieges. Caravans aren't sieges.

"So.... Castles when captured by a guild have 3 nodes that are tied to that castle, and exist in close proximity to the castle itself. Only the guild's members can participate in the development of those 3 nodes, and they must develop those nodes to enhance the defenses of the castle. Sieges for a castle are once every month, and during the 3 weeks leading up to the castle siege week, each node will auto experience a siege, where attackers can try to destroy what the guild has built, in order to weaken the defenses for the castle when it's siege comes later in the month. Being a member of the guild will automatically make you a garrison of the castle nodes and castle itself. These nodes next to the castle cannot exceede node stage 4 and are always military node types."
---- Steven
---- https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Guild_castles | The guild must develop those nodes to enhance the defenses of the castle.[3]

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Please read the link if you don't get how it works or what I'm trying to say thanks.

"At the end of each week leading up to a castle siege there is a period of time in the weekend where NPC generated caravans start moving toward one of the castle nodes carrying castle taxes from the nodes that fall under the castle's purview.
During this time it is incumbent upon the owning guild, its allies, and citizens of the nodes to escort these caravans to the castle node.
The enemies of the guild have incentive to attack these caravans to reap the rewards from the caravan and to sabotage the tax collection, which will reduce the defensive capability of the castle nodes and hence the castle itself.
Citizens of nodes that fall under the purview of the castle are automatically registered as defenders of these caravans and may not participate in attacks against them."
---https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Castle_sieges

Why are you still refusing to read what was written in the article I linked about caravans. I will copy the words for you so so you can't ignore them this time.

Caravanserai is a node building in Ashes of Creation where caravans are constructed, prepared for launch, and are unloaded.[2][3]

The caravanserai is a default building type that is present in every node (of Village (stage 3) or higher). This building can be upgraded to add additional beneficial features.[2][4]
When you want to launch a caravan you have must first have a caravan that's constructed at the caravanserai.[2] – Steven Sharif
Caravans are constructed at a caravanserai from components. If components are missing, default versions with lowest stat values will be applied to the caravan.[2][5][6]
In order to construct caravan at the caravanserai, you go to caravanserai and you say hey I've got all these components and I want to construct a caravan; and the caravanserai will accept the components that you have: It will use those components. If you don't have components for certain parts of the caravan it will give you default versions, which will be lowest stat value that that caravan can then have.[2] – Steven Sharif
Once a caravan is constructed it will be hosted at that caravanserai. Players will be able to select from a list of available caravans via a UI screen, which will show the available storage compartments for each caravan. These compartments can be assigned to members of a party or a named interest.[2]

There is a system driven way for players to co-op caravan trips; and essentially you have the driver or the owner of the caravan preps the caravan for launch at the caravanserai‎, which is the node building that launches the caravans, and he can make a selection to allow designated players or members of his party to reserve space within the caravan; and they may then upload their goods into the caravan at the caravanserai‎ by interfacing with the UI there; and there can even be an agreement for insurance should the caravan be destroyed.[3] – Steven Sharif

Please stop ignoring actual quotes, these are not my own words...Caravans are not just weekly / siege related content....

Dygz

Point me to where I said that Caravans are just weekly.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Point me to where I said that Caravans are just weekly.

Point to me where you said it wasn't weekly content? Point to me when you said it has nothing to do with the week but player driven when Caravans are around as content.

Dygz

Mag7spy wrote: »

You realize if you are leading up to a siege you don't have sieges every week....there is a limit based on the node level.

Dygz wrote: »

Castle-node Sieges happen each week. And there are 5 Castles per server.
Caravans associated with those.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

You realize if you are leading up to a siege you don't have sieges every week....there is a limit based on the node level.

Dygz wrote: »

Castle-node Sieges happen each week. And there are 5 Castles per server.
Caravans associated with those.

Point to me where you said it wasn't weekly content? Point to me when you said it has nothing to do with the week but player driven when Caravans are around as content.

You seriously don't get it... something that is always happening it is not viewed as weekly content.

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