minimizing players racing to max level - is it possible? I have a concept idea perhaps.

Server starts and level 1-30 is unlocked for all players.

In order to unlock level cap 31-40, you need X amount of Nodes 3 (let's pretend 20) in the server to exists. A World event occurs which unlocks players to go to level 40 cap.

In order to unlock level cap 41-50, you need Y amount of Node 4 (let's pretend 10), another world event occurs and players can now level up to 50.

In order to unlock level cap 51-55 or 51-59, you need Z amount of Node 5 (let's pretend 5 is needed on the server). Another story event happens.

Then to unlock level 56-60 or 60, you need 1 node to hit level 6.

So people can rush to "end game" but will be continuously hit with a wall when server starts. So instead of having 1-5%, this may allow 25%-50% of the population to catch up before there are sufficient nodes on the server for them to move to the next cap.

Eventually - the final stretch level 56-60 or 60 should be approx 20-40% of the server population or even more hitting it together.

Some benefits:

* No lifing and playing 20-24-30-36-48 hours non stop isnt healthy. This should deter them from going all out, knowing it is pointless and enjoy the journey.
* Prevent early monopolies and pvp establishments off the bat from gate keeping others off the bat.
* Thus - there is more competition and pvp/friction to happen when most are in equal standing and not just a handful of players zooming on Meth and Ashes non-stop.
* This is a one time event that only happens when a server starts it life cycle.
* Showing appreciation and admiring the work that the devs and writers put into this game, instead of players zooming by. These nodes wont grow as fast vs the players who likes to race to end game. Enjoy the story, the world, the nooks and crannies, dungeons in each level range before we begin end game loop. Properly gear up and get those dungeon sets at lvl 20/30/40/50/55.

Cons:

honestly - I just cant think of any outside of selfishness and ego. The real con, allowing a power gamer / guild rush to end game, potentially sharing an account with a sibling taking turn to non stop grind, lock down an area for the guild. Or a singular guild dedicated no lifers ruining a server potentially because they were able to no life or find a way to play non-stop - ie Account sharing with guildies to get X amount of characters end game to secure dominance.

I'd rather we fight it out, in-game friction - multiple races, that in the end - level 60 it isnt just a handful of players there for a week or two, but just for a couple of hours, up to 3-4 days before the rest of the herd arrives. That several thousands will be 60 within hours of each others - now posturing for dominance.

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morphwastaken

novercalis wrote: »

Some benefits:

1. No lifing and playing 20-24-30-36-48 hours non stop isnt healthy. This should deter them from going all out, knowing it is pointless and enjoy the journey.
2. Prevent early monopolies and pvp establishments off the bat from gate keeping others off the bat.
3. Thus - there is more competition and pvp/friction to happen when most are in equal standing and not just a handful of players zooming on Meth and Ashes non-stop.
4. This is a one time event that only happens when a server starts it life cycle.
5. Showing appreciation and admiring the work that the devs and writers put into this game, instead of players zooming by. These nodes wont grow as fast vs the players who likes to race to end game. Enjoy the story, the world, the nooks and crannies, dungeons in each level range before we begin end game loop. Properly gear up and get those dungeon sets at lvl 20/30/40/50/55.

1. Your suggestion will not change this.
2. Your suggestion will not change this.
3. Actually that would make it less equal. Instead of those who are ahead moving on - they will be constantly stuck competing with those who are behind, and there would be even more players clumped up.
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5. Your suggestion will not change this, except for gear part. But that is much better achieved by simply making it worth the time investment to progress the gear, compared to time saved leveling by being faster and more competitive. And seems like AoC leveling will be slow enough for that to some extent.

Kilion

Rather than asking "Is it possible?" - which it 100% is because everything is programmable in a game - I'd be more interested in finding out: Is it necessary? And tbh so far I haven't had much reason to think it is.

Azherae

Regarding the 'gear skip' part, was this even an actual problem in early EverQuest/EQ2?

I've been given the impression it wasn't a real problem in Lineage 2.

Noaani

Azherae wrote: »

Regarding the 'gear skip' part, was this even an actual problem in early EverQuest/EQ2?

I've been given the impression it wasn't a real problem in Lineage 2.

Assuming I'm understanding the term, it wasn't an issue with EQ at all to my knowledge, and in EQ2 it was only an issue several years after release.

The developers of EQ2 had the general notion that leveling should take about the same amount of time even if the level cap is higher. This meant that when the games level cap was 100, leveling was twice as fast for any given level range as it was when the cap was level 50.

The way the developers kind of put it though, was that this was only an issue if players were looking for issues. If they were new to the game and the worst thing they had to say about it was that they didn't need to always be on the lookout for gear upgrades while leveling, they considered that an overwhelming success.

Veeshan

Nodes themself will level gate people since as they level up mobs get stronger around there might not be any lvl 40+ mobs for example until there a lvl 4 or 5 node in the world to make them spawn in the first place which would slot people progression down if they speed to far ahead but who knows atm

SketchyGuy

Yeah, this is one of those HOT take posts that have already been discussed. Whether no lifers or casual, agree or disagree, this won't be implemented. Like said, they've discussed things around this topic a few times and it's just not going to happen. And for my vote personally, I'm glad it doesn't, players shouldn't be limited because others feel they won't be able to keep pace.

RocketFarmer

Why penalize the “Speed Run” folks.

There already exists pros and cons associated with faster level progression. Will you have the resources/gear built up at the higher levels to be competitive?

Also getting something first doesn’t guarantee you’ll keep it. Hint is in the title of the game - “Ashes”.

Now will guilds employ a strategy of having a few members run fast to stake their claim first with the bulk of their members going at a more sustainable pace? Sure. But that too will be temporary. Will other non-guild players benefit? Sure, since the game seems more centered around node citizenship than just guilds. And we are likely to have different guild strategies than just dominating a single node? Get the feeling a more rounded, diverse guild coming from multiple strategic nodes will be more effective than the single node guild.

Fantmx

They will always race. The only way that I have ever seen the process slowed down in an effective way is by making leveling take longer and having hell levels but still have content available throughout every step so you don't really notice. That was EverQuest.

Mag7spy

Fantmx wrote: »

They will always race. The only way that I have ever seen the process slowed down in an effective way is by making leveling take longer and having hell levels but still have content available throughout every step so you don't really notice. That was EverQuest.

I don't see any point in lowing them done, it doesn't matter how hard they make those levels they will get past them. That method just makes it so everyone else suffers to effect the 5%. And allows that time of raw hour grinding to be a bigger gap allowing them to take advantage of end game content far before anyone else.

The only thing you can do is go full mobile and make it so you can only get 2 levels a day lol.

Veeshan

Fantmx wrote: »

They will always race. The only way that I have ever seen the process slowed down in an effective way is by making leveling take longer and having hell levels but still have content available throughout every step so you don't really notice. That was EverQuest.

There will kinda be hell levels in AoC tbh, if you out level node progression there not gonna be many thing to farm for XP in theory, since nodes level up the world as they progress there a good chance Node lvcl 0-1 will only have lvl 10 mobs, node lvl 2 = lvl 20 mobs, node 3= level 30 mobs for example and node levels slow down quite a but after level 3

0. Wilderness
1. Expedition - Few hours
2. Encampment - Many hours
3. Village - Few days
4. Town -Many days
5. City -Few weeks
6. Metropolis -Many weeks

So if people get to far ahead of world progress via nodes they be hitting a wall that slows down there progression.

It not like the MMO that many of you guys are use to this zone = lvl 1-5 this one 5-10 next one to 10-15 and so on, as nodes level up the world under the influence of the node progresses and levels up too atleast thats how it sounds like it gonna be from what the devs have said.

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