"Combat pets"

...keeps popping up within the AoC community since the recent interview that Steven gave.

At some point in L2 we all rolled around with combat wolves (the animal that captivates me most in reality) for the dps they added.

We shared xp with our pet wolves (which we had to quest, lv up and gear for) but all in all they made progress faster. And they were EVERYWHERE.

I disagree with combat pets, they steal focus from all classes and they make everybody a summoner.
They are visual clutter.
They are not a new gameplay experience. They are mandatory meta annoyance.

Will it impact negatively animal husbabdry sooo much? I dont think so.

I say we give our feedback.

Why do you like combat pets?
Why dont you like them?
What are the benefits to the game?
What negatives do they bring?
What parameters would make then acceptable IF you dont like them.

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Raven016

I think only summoner class should be able to use tamed creatures for combat.
If the summoner decides to use a tamed pet for combat then it should do that by replacing it with a summon somewhere in a node or freehold where tamers train the creatures.
Freshly tamed creatures should not be as effective as trained creatures.

Voeltz

Doesn't add value to the game IMO, only creates annoyances. Becomes mandatory to have because they're free stats and/or abilities. Now I have to go grind gold or certain locations to get something I didn't care about in the first place and spend more time leveling the damn thing up. If I wanted to play a pet class, I would just play a summoner. Also creates a massive amount of screen clutter during battles if everyone is running one. Not to mention it undermines an entire class by taking its core feature and granting it to everyone. You should have to roll a summoner primary or secondary at least to have summoning/pet abilities.

morphwastaken

I would not want to see them during mass PvX, otherwise i don't care. I like Mag7spy suggestion.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Think a good way on approaching this is if you have a full group 8/8 with no spare spots you can't summon a combat pet. This was done in swtor with your crew only taking up spare slots if you didn't have a full party.

That way for the most part it won't be a clutter nor add more targets than normal. while allowing people without as many people to have their pets help with their content and fun for more solo / small group of players.

daveywavey

As long as they take up a slot in the Party, then I guess it's fine. If you don't have the players online to fill your group, then stick on a Combat Pet. If you do, then the extra player is likely to be more beneficial.

Edit: Just seen that Mag7Spy has suggested the same thing....

Aszkalon

George_Black wrote: »

I disagree with combat pets, they steal focus from all classes and they make everybody a summoner.
They are visual clutter.
They are not a new gameplay experience. They are mandatory meta annoyance.

I think i can see your Point here.

While it would be cool, if any kind of Tank/heavy Fighter could for Example have a "Guard Dog",
(this would also be cool for Roleplay),

wouldn't it be strange if " EVERYBODY " runs around with at least one Animal Companion, like a Bird, Cat, Dog, Wolf, Boar, etc. ?? x'D

I mean,
when i haven't read wrong : Combat Pets "weaken" the Players Character. Otherwise as compared to "Summons" from a Summoner-Class, who are part of the Power of the Summoner.

But i am getting a headache already, thinking what will happen when a HUUUUGE Group of Players fights each other in a huge Battle on for Example a Node/City and if it will fall and be destroyed : or stay defended and keep running.

One Extra-Mob for every single Player around ?? Oooff. Am i getting old already or is this justified that i am already getting a Headache just thinking about this ? ^.^;"

Liniker

don't like 'em, hope that not using one is viable, because as a competitive player, if there is even a slight disadvantage of not using it in comparison to other players that use, I will be forced to have one, the 10% power reduction sounds weird, and doesn't sound like much if pets have utility or healing / buffs that might make a big difference

Mag7spy

morphwastaken wrote: »

I would not want to see them during mass PvX, otherwise i don't care. I like Mag7spy suggestion.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Think a good way on approaching this is if you have a full group 8/8 with no spare spots you can't summon a combat pet. This was done in swtor with your crew only taking up spare slots if you didn't have a full party.

That way for the most part it won't be a clutter nor add more targets than normal. while allowing people without as many people to have their pets help with their content and fun for more solo / small group of players.

Dedicated large pvp like sieges and stuff you wouldn't see them because it should be group based and all groups are full.

Taaku

No no no no and no. I don't want everyone running around with pets, I don't want to micro manage a pet to be effective, I want my class to be my class, and I DON'T want months and months of dev time being used up making combat pets and systems around feeding and managing them.
I'm totally fine with having summoner classes and people who want to play that way having a way to play that way, but I hate having to be forced into it because it is the optimal thing to do for everyone.

Mfcrackers69

Not a fan of the combat pet...That is why there is the summoner class... all combat pets do is push players into a solo type of play.... allowing, Characters to kill more or higher lever mobs than otherwise possible.... just one Copium addicted Dinosaurs 🦖 opinion...

morphwastaken

Mag7spy wrote: »

Dedicated large pvp like sieges and stuff you wouldn't see them because it should be group based and all groups are full.

Yea, that's why i like it

Raven016

So many pet haters...
At least the mayors will have a very good combat pet.

arsnn

Im not a fan of the combat pet idea either.
Though it could provide another interesting avenue in vertical progression, it is cluters group encounters, without any positive gameplay impact.

I´d be fine if Intrepid would balance them towards solo encounters and make them useless once you are in a group.

Jamation

I feel like I need to see it in practice, but like others said I don't want it to be a mandatory thing to stay competitive.

I feel like it's going to be required though since you can gear it and level it and it has the potential to have trinity skills. I plan on being a high-content healer so why wouldn't I have a pet that can tank threat while I'm out soloing. I'd rather it be an overly noticeable self sacrifice that is not equivalent to fighting without a combat pet, because the utility of the pet has the potential to be too important to every fight otherwise.

In other games there are cosmetic pets that can follow you around, and I usually don't like having even those out in the open world because I keep seeing them walk up to me out of the corner of my eye and I think it's something else.

The only pet I need is a lazy farm dog to perk its head up whenever I come back to my freehold.

Mag7spy

Pets make money with skins and such, there will be time put into it of course but I don't think they are going out of their way with it. They have made a lot of ribs, a lot of creatures that they can reskin or not. And have them as pets Part of the reason why I backed them was I feel they are looking at the longer kind of vision plan with content creature and ensuring they have a strong base.

IE a lot of exotic rigs for unique creatures, saves a lot of time. It helps the overall base of the game be more beefy when it comes to creating more content quickly that does not feel the same over and over again.

Songcaller

Those skins are not combat pets. They are personal pets which are different.

George_Black

Mag7spy wrote: »

Pets make money with skins and such, there will be time put into it of course but I don't think they are going out of their way with it. They have made a lot of ribs, a lot of creatures that they can reskin or not. And have them as pets Part of the reason why I backed them was I feel they are looking at the longer kind of vision plan with content creature and ensuring they have a strong base.

IE a lot of exotic rigs for unique creatures, saves a lot of time. It helps the overall base of the game be more beefy when it comes to creating more content quickly that does not feel the same over and over again.

Why cant people form normal sentenses?
"They sold skins so they will be in the game". Business wise makes sense, even though you made a false connection to simple pets there.

"Content" "solid base" vague words....
Say what you wanna say.

Noaani

Archeages combat pets were barely ever used.

They even had an equipment system to enhance them - but they were still hardly ever used.

TheDarkSorcerer

Combat pets defeats the purpose of having a summoner class.
I also feel we are then FORCED to have a pet to maximize dmg. Pets should be aesthetic only. I don't want it to be The Golden Compass/His Dark Materials lol

George_Black

@Vaknar have a look at this civil unrest regarding combat pets.

KingDDD

Combat pets are either completely pointless, a very expensive to animate dot, or so amazing you have to use it.

Id rather see certain specs/classes be built around using pets versus the everyone system pitched years ago.

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