Corruption system abuses ?

While waiting for alpha2 my mind is wondering about the corruption system ...

It feel like it can go wrong in both ways : for the griefed and for the non-griefer. The corruption is applied if a combatant kill a non-combatant:
- The combatant can harass the non-combatant (always leaving him low life, preventing him from playing)
- Some guilds/people might use this system to their advantage: bring non-combatant to threat other guilds of getting corrupted if they want to contest or other tricks

It's the good old debate: Is it better to have an innocent person in prison than a guilty one free?

It feels like this kind of system will be very tricky since people will try to abuse it. Does this kind of system exists in other mmorpg ? How did it go ?

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Songcaller

I don't think you will meet a lot of people who don't fight back in a2.

Ludullu

Neurath wrote: »

I don't think you will meet a lot of people who don't fight back in a2.

If that is the case, while release does have some - Intrepid will have way more problems on their hands

Songcaller

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

I don't think you will meet a lot of people who don't fight back in a2.

If that is the case, while release does have some - Intrepid will have way more problems on their hands

It depends what is classed a problem and what is classed a situation. In my mind, bounty hunters need targets so more targets mean more bounty hunters.

Ludullu

Neurath wrote: »

It depends what is classed a problem and what is classed a situation. In my mind, bounty hunters need targets so more targets mean more bounty hunters.

This is why I want the kills themselves not to give too much corruption. That way, theoretically, more people would be willing to go red because they'd think that they can get away with it.

In other words, I want PKing to be more widespread and shallow rather then more restricted but deep.

Depraved

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

There were complaints in the last tests. Didn't change anything except Maggie stepping in to stop it.

That's why I said "when Intrepid says it's ok". Afaik A1 wasn't meant to test the corruption system. A2 will be at one point and that's when I'm gonna be flagging on every person I see and killing anyone who doesn't fight back. And once I reach the "can no longer kill people cause stat dampened" - I'll do it again and again on alts. Ideally against the same people to drive the point home (and cause I'd know that the chance of them fighting back is lower).

If Steven is fine with that setup - I'll live with it, cause that's exactly what I lived with in L2. But considering how much harsher the Ashes system seems to be - we'll see if how it ends up in the end, when it comes to PK count balancing.

u probably wont be able to level up alts with the constant wipes in a2 xDDDDD but who knows. also max level is gonna be 30 so maybe we can get from 1-30 in 3 weeks?

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

u probably wont be able to level up alts with the constant wipes in a2 xDDDDD but who knows. also max level is gonna be 30 so maybe we can get from 1-30 in 3 weeks?

Perfect time to test out my theory of "you don't need a strong char to PK"

Depraved

yeah but u will be pking other weaklings ;3

Depraved

i always find it easier to beat those ppl who attack everything, idk..just run back, wait for them to keep attacking mobs then kill them ;3

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

yeah but u will be pking other weaklings ;3

And that's the whole point. Push that pressure point hard enough to get a slight change to the system, w/o changing the system completely.

Depraved

i mean lets go

Raven016

Neurath wrote: »

I don't think you will meet a lot of people who don't fight back in a2.

Neither in the released game.
Solo players will team up if needed.
The fact that a corrupt player is at disadvantage against greens, makes greens to want to cooperate even by staying close to each other. It is the weakest form of teamplay which can transition easily into a proper team.
But once they are in a group, they feel stronger and will fight back against smaller groups.
We might see guilds which will declare and require as main play style to stay green as long as possible, maybe always..
How many greens can a player kill?

Aszkalon

Neurath wrote: »

It's impossible to prevent. It just is a fact. At what level ranges these facets happen is the only denominator.

I personally think, Playerkilling SHOULD be - impossible to prevent.

What however should ALSO be impossible to prevent -> is the Bounty Hunter System and that other Players can then search and hunt the Playerkilling Folks.

All i can see here, is Opportunity. Chance for more Content. Chance for more Action - more Fun - more Livelihood and Business inside the Game.

Part of me REALLY misses the Zombie-Event from WoW back then. And this is why i for Example also like the Monster Coin System.

We don't need to be able to do this absolutely everywhere - like for Example killing harmless, Lowlevel Players who just happen to be at some Trader- and Vendor-NPC's and looking to improve their Characters.

Just the Possibility of making the World feel alive and full of Action, Content, Conflict and Events. Imagine being able to get flagged for PvP, or confronting those flagged for PvP, wherever and whenever you want to participate.

At least in most Area's. It will be awesome, i bet.

Aszkalon

Percimes wrote: »

Could limiting the PK count to "per server" instead of "per account" be an acceptable compromise?

Sounds actually very reasonable and logical. 👍

Dygz

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

What punishment do you refer to? You want to tarnish the public reputation of an honour based toon with that of a dishonourable toon.

Alts should be separate enough to let you have those separate RP experiences, but not let you kill x2 people because your chars are completely separated. Especially considering that bad actors won't just do it x2, but instead will do xY, where Y is the amount of chars you can have on your account.

This is why I dislike "family" names on characters. Each alt should be its own thing.

In an RPG, characters should be completely separate rather than suffer account-wide consequences.

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

In an RPG, characters should be completely separate rather than suffer account-wide consequences.

If only Ashes followed your preferences for rpgs, cause we already have citizenship and FH ownership

Dygz

NiKr wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

In an RPG, characters should be completely separate rather than suffer account-wide consequences.

If only Ashes followed your preferences for rpgs, cause we already have citizenship and FH ownership

Because there is not unlimited space. Yes.

Raven016

Dygz wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

In an RPG, characters should be completely separate rather than suffer account-wide consequences.

If only Ashes followed your preferences for rpgs, cause we already have citizenship and FH ownership

Because there is not unlimited space. Yes.

There could be enough space, not unlimited but enough. If Eve Online had enough space why AoC cannot?

Dygz

Because EvE is outer space with mulitple worlds.
Ashes is just part of one planet with open world housing.

ThamonRa

Maybe u should not be able to see,
Enemy level and HP.

So it's always a mystery what's gonna happen.

Ludullu

ThamonRa wrote: »

Maybe u should not be able to see,
Enemy level and HP.

So it's always a mystery what's gonna happen.

Mah mama always said "pvp is like a box of chocolates..."

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