Night-dark and Day-light

Dryadez wrote: »

JC31 wrote: »

@Dryadez and @Engimatic Sage

Very well said, you may enjoy Embers Adrift. It's an entire $10, but it's a fun time. It's a very different game than Ashes of Creation. Ashes looks like a dream compared to Embers Adrift, but Ashes is not out yet and Embers Adrift is available for play.

just looked at it, it looks amazing but is missing some key parts for me. They nailed night time darkness imo and to people who hate that stuff in AOC if dealing with the dark is such a hinderance or game changer. Play a race that has adapted night vision. The devs can easily make this a solution

lol really pushing that Tulnar night vision racial agenda

I just think it's weird that the greatest single/co-op RPG games have dark caves, dark night cycles, require torches or magic spells to traverse safely... but it cant be recaptured for MMO versions of RPG's because the player base finds it a hindrance or inhibits gameplay. It's almost like the players are the problem in the genre lol.

I'm not asking for total blankets of darkness but it should have immersive light to shadow transitioning. It just feels like your character gets the moonlight filter removed from them and just step into darkness filter free. If the light is not illuminating you, why wouldn't the shadow engulf you somewhat.

Anyways, unfortunate in my opinion. But I can see why they're going that way based on design goals.

@Dryadez missed your edit.

Yeah the racial boons could be an interesting touch. I was thinking of similar things a while ago about biome and racial boons and bane. Something like a homefield advantage vs visitor disadvantage. But this just lead me into thinking about racial augments essentially haha

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Dryadez missed your edit.

Yeah the racial boons could be an interesting touch. I was thinking of similar things a while ago about biome and racial boons and bane. Something like a homefield advantage vs visitor disadvantage. But this just lead me into thinking about racial augments essentially haha

I think home field advantage would be good since AOC against my personal wishes is letting most races start wherever they want. We need a reason for dwarves to live in the nodes in the snowy mountains. A reason for the desert acclimated humans to call the desert home and the Nikua to develop nodes in wetlands.

Small debuffs that dont make a huge difference to other races but something to say "this is X races territory these are the climates they are use to and where their nodes have a distinct advantage"

Dryadez wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Dryadez missed your edit.

Yeah the racial boons could be an interesting touch. I was thinking of similar things a while ago about biome and racial boons and bane. Something like a homefield advantage vs visitor disadvantage. But this just lead me into thinking about racial augments essentially haha

I think home field advantage would be good since AOC against my personal wishes is letting most races start wherever they want. We need a reason for dwarves to live in the nodes in the snowy mountains. A reason for the desert acclimated humans to call the desert home and the Nikua to develop nodes in wetlands.

Small debuffs that dont make a huge difference to other races but something to say "this is X races territory these are the climates they are use to and where their nodes have a distinct advantage"

Well there is speculation and open ended mentions of dominant races and node progression for available racial augments which could potentially be linked to biomes as well. They're not just for architecture. So the racial quest lines could differ depending on biome quite significantly.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Racial_augments

RazThemun

They likely do not want to run into the issue of players not being able to game during "night hours" because it is to dark. People work graveyard shifts, stay up late on the weekends etc. Pry don't want to limit their game time, simply because it is to dark to do anything....

Game will be fun because there is adversity. Overcoming the various challenges provided is part of what makes the game fun.

Can't have a light without a shadow. Contrast is a desired feature for AoC. It is a dimension the devs may or may not have spent much time with. The darker the night, the brighter the light you will need to guide you. The brighter the day, the darker the shadow will seem from the cloud that is passing over you.

Vera has two moons, this could provide extra moon light. That means the shadows at night should seem that much darker by contrast.

Veeshan

you dont necessarily need to make the game overly dark like pitch black or blinding dark but you could simply do something like remove player nametag unless there realy close so it makes it easier to sneak up on people without blaringname tags giving away ur position

Aszkalon

daveywavey wrote: »

Dark dark is just crap though, and totally unenjoyable. I want to be able to see what I'm doing and what I'm running into/off.

It was absolutely dope though, when i played "modded (PC) Skyrim" with Mods,

that actually FORCED me at times, to use all the Spells and Items to shoot Lightscources into the Darkness.

When You get forced to "use" actually a Spell that casts a glowing Mana-Lightball on the nearest Walls,
or to use a Staff that did the same - just as a magic Item with limited Uses how often you could do that,

plus the third Spell which did send a small Light around yourself.

It was awesome. It was cool.
And at Night, you needed in the free Open World to keep being on Roads to see Lanterns and so on - when the Moonlight wasn't there to illuminate the Night for You.

CROW3

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

That's the problem with design and gamers these days.

Take Escape From Tarkov as an example.

The game is ideally supposed to be played a specific way visually and auditorily but now people are just tweaking the settings to make the game super vibrant and colourful so they can see easier, boost the contrast and brightness on the monitors settings, adding a cross hair to their screen that's not supposed to be there, turn the volume to 11 so they can hear the foot steps better at the risk of deafening yourself.

Gamers are sad and lack integrity for immersive gameplay.

It’s a game. So folks are going to game the game. This doesn’t sound like cheating, but poor testing and/or failure to adjust accordingly.

I’m a fan of dark nights, but not pitch nights. If you light a torch to see better, I want it to be a risk as it gives your position away to other players (and mobs) to come get you.

This would also need to be tested and adjusted for gamma settings.

CROW3 wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

That's the problem with design and gamers these days.

Take Escape From Tarkov as an example.

The game is ideally supposed to be played a specific way visually and auditorily but now people are just tweaking the settings to make the game super vibrant and colourful so they can see easier, boost the contrast and brightness on the monitors settings, adding a cross hair to their screen that's not supposed to be there, turn the volume to 11 so they can hear the foot steps better at the risk of deafening yourself.

Gamers are sad and lack integrity for immersive gameplay.

It’s a game. So folks are going to game the game. This doesn’t sound like cheating, but poor testing and/or failure to adjust accordingly.

I’m a fan of dark nights, but not pitch nights. If you light a torch to see better, I want it to be a risk as it gives your position away to other players (and mobs) to come get you.

This would also need to be tested and adjusted for gamma settings.

I agree about the torch thing that's the whole point of it lighting and giving away position assuming the abilities don't give you away first with all that flare.

But from a competitive perspective, being able to adjust the games visuals to such a visual advantage outside of the norm is ridiculous to me. The "it's a game" is one of the worst excuses players have been groomed to believe. Sure, demographics and player issues can vary but that doesn't mean the game has to be victim of it. Next people will tell me it's ok for developers to half ass their games optimisation because raytracing and frame generation will pick up their slack at the expense of players performance and wallet.

Gamer's have gotten so weird with things being "unplayable" due to lack of personalisation of the UI etc. I never heard those excuses when I was younger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6dhCycYAJQ

Veeshan wrote: »

you dont necessarily need to make the game overly dark like pitch black or blinding dark but you could simply do something like remove player nametag unless there realy close so it makes it easier to sneak up on people without blaringname tags giving away ur position

Yes if name tags are turned on in the options menu they could turn name tags into a cosmetic item and add textures and dimensions to them. Give the nametag some lore, non-magic users would have to ask a mage to craft one for them and they could give it buoyancy and the right amount of gravity for adherence. This would all have to be done before you reach level 25 of course. You can't choose your class without a name picked out for your character.

Vaknar

JC31 wrote: »

Are the night stars that much brighter than Earth's Milky Way? I recently saw a video of AoC's day/night cycle with the undead and it reminded me of EQ. This is great except the night seems a little too bright! .

I'm happy to share that after hearing all of the feedback regarding the darkness of night, we made some changes! You can see those reflected in the gameplay section of the livestream which released today!

Edgelords rejoice! \o/

Vaknar wrote: »

JC31 wrote: »

Are the night stars that much brighter than Earth's Milky Way? I recently saw a video of AoC's day/night cycle with the undead and it reminded me of EQ. This is great except the night seems a little too bright! .

I'm happy to share that after hearing all of the feedback regarding the darkness of night, we made some changes! You can see those reflected in the gameplay section of the livestream which released today!

Edgelords rejoice! \o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6dhCycYAJQ

This is also fantastic news!! I am a huge fan of a realistic day/night cycle that encourages players to adapt, I think most players will enjoy this aspect as a breath of fresh air in this type of mmorpg. I would also like to see maybe little flavor things added (ive mentioned before) like racial traits for tulnar and dunir that allow them to see in the dark better then other races, this way players who for whatever reason want brighter nights can choose one of these races with a passive that can be toggled on and off.

Could be that some weapons have a glow to them and increase visibility when in the shadows at night.

Veeshan

Vaknar wrote: »

JC31 wrote: »

Are the night stars that much brighter than Earth's Milky Way? I recently saw a video of AoC's day/night cycle with the undead and it reminded me of EQ. This is great except the night seems a little too bright! .

I'm happy to share that after hearing all of the feedback regarding the darkness of night, we made some changes! You can see those reflected in the gameplay section of the livestream which released today!

Edgelords rejoice! \o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6dhCycYAJQ

the changes are good some feedback however on the changes is that towns need a bit more lighting dotted around the place just to lighten up the area a bit for nodes but other than that it looks good

Veeshan wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

JC31 wrote: »

Are the night stars that much brighter than Earth's Milky Way? I recently saw a video of AoC's day/night cycle with the undead and it reminded me of EQ. This is great except the night seems a little too bright! .

I'm happy to share that after hearing all of the feedback regarding the darkness of night, we made some changes! You can see those reflected in the gameplay section of the livestream which released today!

Edgelords rejoice! \o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6dhCycYAJQ

the changes are good some feedback however on the changes is that towns need a bit more lighting dotted around the place just to lighten up the area a bit for nodes but other than that it looks good

I kindly disagree, I thought they did an impeccable job with the night shadows in town and in the forest.
edit: not sure if I understood your point, my apologies.

Veeshan wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

JC31 wrote: »

Are the night stars that much brighter than Earth's Milky Way? I recently saw a video of AoC's day/night cycle with the undead and it reminded me of EQ. This is great except the night seems a little too bright! .

I'm happy to share that after hearing all of the feedback regarding the darkness of night, we made some changes! You can see those reflected in the gameplay section of the livestream which released today!

Edgelords rejoice! \o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6dhCycYAJQ

the changes are good some feedback however on the changes is that towns need a bit more lighting dotted around the place just to lighten up the area a bit for nodes but other than that it looks good

I think towns and cities with npc guards should definitely have a night watch (maybe something the mayor can invest in) that wield a sword and torch and patrol the perimeter and within the city. So places in darker areas can have the option for the mayor to invest taxes into hiring a nightwatch

Liniker

Vaknar wrote: »

JC31 wrote: »

Are the night stars that much brighter than Earth's Milky Way? I recently saw a video of AoC's day/night cycle with the undead and it reminded me of EQ. This is great except the night seems a little too bright! .

I'm happy to share that after hearing all of the feedback regarding the darkness of night, we made some changes! You can see those reflected in the gameplay section of the livestream which released today!

Edgelords rejoice! \o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6dhCycYAJQ

I'm not particularly happy with this change, I will have people doing this in A2 and sending in feedback to prove the point, but basically, by making the scenes darker and more "spooky" Intrepid introduced a mandatory "meta" for a open-world PvP game to play with high gama or use monitor filters/settings at night,

There are spots where you can not be seen by other players because its too dark now, this gives you a huge disadvantage, and just like in ARK and other similar games with open-world PvP, competitive players will have to play with shitty settings that makes your game washed out, to be able to see people in the dark now,

Liniker wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

JC31 wrote: »

Are the night stars that much brighter than Earth's Milky Way? I recently saw a video of AoC's day/night cycle with the undead and it reminded me of EQ. This is great except the night seems a little too bright! .

I'm happy to share that after hearing all of the feedback regarding the darkness of night, we made some changes! You can see those reflected in the gameplay section of the livestream which released today!

Edgelords rejoice! \o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6dhCycYAJQ

I'm not particularly happy with this change, I will have people doing this in A2 and sending in feedback to prove the point, but basically, by making the scenes darker and more "spooky" Intrepid introduced a mandatory "meta" for a open-world PvP game to play with high gama or use monitor filters/settings at night,

There are spots where you can not be seen by other players because its too dark now, this gives you a huge disadvantage, and just like in ARK and other similar games with open-world PvP, competitive players will have to play with shitty settings that makes your game washed out, to be able to see people in the dark now,

It doesn't look to be THAT big of a deal. Yes there are some shady areas where something may get the jump on you if you aren't paying attention but the night still isn't that dark. It's like full moon level dark where you can still see but you can also still tell it's night time. I find it hard to commit to rpgs that don't have an appropriate night and day cycle. Night time isn't suppose to be daytime but -1 brightness and throw some stars in the sky.

I don't see their current system impacting pvp in any way shape or form that isn't overthinking. But what are we to do except overthink things right now I guess? If someone takes this small matter that seriously is why I recommended some races have night vision. So they can have a solution to this personal issue.