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Depraved

just when i thought this thread was dead...lol

Depraved

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

DPS meters are dumb, nothing new to see here. Same arguments from page 10, 30, 50-150 all being talked about again here and repeated word to word.

Indeed it is.

I mean, it isn't as if there is anything to add to "I'll have a tracker regardless of what Intrepid has to say about it", so there isn't really any more discussion to be had other than pointing this fact out to new people coming in to the thread.

you probs shouldnt say that. they gonna be onto u now xD

Solvryn

Depraved wrote: »

just when i thought this thread was dead...lol

It's not even that controversial of a topic.

Most people do not understand statistics, so they act like fools about it and create an adversarial environment for others.

So there's no DPS meters.

End.

Enigmatic Sage

Depraved wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

DPS meters are dumb, nothing new to see here. Same arguments from page 10, 30, 50-150 all being talked about again here and repeated word to word.

Indeed it is.

I mean, it isn't as if there is anything to add to "I'll have a tracker regardless of what Intrepid has to say about it", so there isn't really any more discussion to be had other than pointing this fact out to new people coming in to the thread.

you probs shouldnt say that. they gonna be onto u now xD

we better have pointless reiterated back and forth conversations for 10 pages to bury it then so no one ever knows....

Ruerik

The official stance is against meters and addons

Which has nothing at all to do with parsing combat logs to interpret the information.

Enigmatic Sage

Taerrik wrote: »

The official stance is against meters and addons

Which has nothing at all to do with parsing combat logs to interpret the information.

currently and allegedly

Depraved

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

DPS meters are dumb, nothing new to see here. Same arguments from page 10, 30, 50-150 all being talked about again here and repeated word to word.

Indeed it is.

I mean, it isn't as if there is anything to add to "I'll have a tracker regardless of what Intrepid has to say about it", so there isn't really any more discussion to be had other than pointing this fact out to new people coming in to the thread.

you probs shouldnt say that. they gonna be onto u now xD

we better have pointless reiterated back and forth conversations for 10 pages to bury it then so no one ever knows....

vaknar reads everything. i feel sorry for him lol. intrepid also probably has some faceless employees reading this forum and all social media. i also feel bad for them

Enigmatic Sage

Depraved wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

DPS meters are dumb, nothing new to see here. Same arguments from page 10, 30, 50-150 all being talked about again here and repeated word to word.

Indeed it is.

I mean, it isn't as if there is anything to add to "I'll have a tracker regardless of what Intrepid has to say about it", so there isn't really any more discussion to be had other than pointing this fact out to new people coming in to the thread.

you probs shouldnt say that. they gonna be onto u now xD

we better have pointless reiterated back and forth conversations for 10 pages to bury it then so no one ever knows....

vaknar reads everything. i feel sorry for him lol. intrepid also probably has some faceless employees reading this forum and all social media. i also feel bad for them

Awareness and perceptive characteristics in relation to validity of opinion priority.

BlackBrony

Meta with information or without information is meta. It will happen. I would rather have meta based on feelings than facts because at the end of the day I can still say "I like this build more", while with facts you end up saying "I like this build more despite being inferior".
I want to play my character like I feel to. Unless I am in the 1% my build shouldn't matter.
So why do we need to create a combat tracker for that 1%?

The most common position is "there will be one anyways" which is the shittiest argument I've ever heard. So why forbid addons if there will be anwaysy? Next time we're dealing with addons calling every single mechanic like in Wow. How is that a fun game?

Enigmatic Sage

BlackBrony wrote: »

Meta with information or without information is meta. It will happen. I would rather have meta based on feelings than facts because at the end of the day I can still say "I like this build more", while with facts you end up saying "I like this build more despite being inferior".
I want to play my character like I feel to. Unless I am in the 1% my build shouldn't matter.
So why do we need to create a combat tracker for that 1%?

The most common position is "there will be one anyways" which is the shittiest argument I've ever heard. So why forbid addons if there will be anwaysy? Next time we're dealing with addons calling every single mechanic like in Wow. How is that a fun game?

it is a shitty truth unfortunately. Many developers and studio throw a good pitch of their product and idea. I dont like it anymore than you do lol.

Expectations vs Reality.

Ruerik

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

it is a shitty truth unfortunately. Many developers and studio throw a good pitch of their product and idea. I dont like it anymore than you do lol.
Expectations vs Reality.

Not sure I take your meaning properly.

Its really not up to the developers on if there will be addons or not. They are named 3rd party, because someone else makes and maintains them. It is challenging and time consuming from the dev point of view also to track down and punish addon users, because it is so very hard to figure out who uses them. And its kind of unreasonable to expect them to stay on top of it forever, when we would rather they work on new content for us to enjoy.

I think its on us, as the community of gamers playing the game, to influence and decide what sort of community we want. A good example of community moderation is the ff14 japan servers raiding community. While they generally accept the use of dps meters and parsers, they strongly shame people that use automated callouts, or cheat programs. Party kick and blacklist.

So, in the context of Ashes. We are provided combat logs. Because we have combat logs provided to us there will be a parser written within the first week for those of us that like numbers to be able to sort the log data into fancy charts so we can figure out which stats we like best.

We are not provided any sort of API to directly interact with the game. It will be awhile until the favorite logging tool ACT has a plugin written for ashes since someone has to figure out the network traffic and all that, but such a tool sits on the line of grey area if not in the black.

I dont even need to talk about automated callout programs (Which act can also do) or cheat programs. Those are clearly wrong.

So, we, (collectively all of us) have to decide as the community, how we interact with the addon users when they pop up.

Enigmatic Sage

Taerrik wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

it is a shitty truth unfortunately. Many developers and studio throw a good pitch of their product and idea. I dont like it anymore than you do lol.
Expectations vs Reality.

Not sure I take your meaning properly.

Its really not up to the developers on if there will be addons or not. They are named 3rd party, because someone else makes and maintains them. It is challenging and time consuming from the dev point of view also to track down and punish addon users, because it is so very hard to figure out who uses them. And its kind of unreasonable to expect them to stay on top of it forever, when we would rather they work on new content for us to enjoy.

I think its on us, as the community of gamers playing the game, to influence and decide what sort of community we want. A good example of community moderation is the ff14 japan servers raiding community. While they generally accept the use of dps meters and parsers, they strongly shame people that use automated callouts, or cheat programs. Party kick and blacklist.

So, in the context of Ashes. We are provided combat logs. Because we have combat logs provided to us there will be a parser written within the first week for those of us that like numbers to be able to sort the log data into fancy charts so we can figure out which stats we like best.

We are not provided any sort of API to directly interact with the game. It will be awhile until the favorite logging tool ACT has a plugin written for ashes since someone has to figure out the network traffic and all that, but such a tool sits on the line of grey area if not in the black.

I dont even need to talk about automated callout programs (Which act can also do) or cheat programs. Those are clearly wrong.

So, we, (collectively all of us) have to decide as the community, how we interact with the addon users when they pop up.

Not technically wrong by any means.

Developers can allow inhouse made and/or third-party. Both function the same from source allowances.
Community generally push for meters and addons regardless of specific to a game or generalisation of demographic. It's like social media. Look how many more narcissists are in society because of it and continued exposure to future generations creating more. It's becoming the norm. It's one of those wait and find out leniency snowball things.

We as a community is ever changing from then, now and future. It's how sample sizes work regardless of methods. No different than studies and experiments.

Noaani

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

It's like social media. Look how many more narcissists are in society because of it and continued exposure to future generations creating more. It's becoming the norm. It's one of those wait and find out leniency snowball things.

I don't think there are more, I just think those that are become more obvious due to social media.

Enigmatic Sage

Noaani wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

It's like social media. Look how many more narcissists are in society because of it and continued exposure to future generations creating more. It's becoming the norm. It's one of those wait and find out leniency snowball things.

I don't think there are more, I just think those that are become more obvious due to social media.

dont talk to me please

Noaani

Taerrik wrote: »

So, we, (collectively all of us) have to decide as the community, how we interact with the addon users when they pop up.

This is the key point, imo.

Only thing is, I do t see it as a collective thing, I see it as an individual thing. Each person has to decide for themselves.

This is the core of why I like the notion of a guild based combat tracker - one that guilds can select as a perk.

If each individual makes a decision whether they do or do not want to be associated with combat tracker use, that decision is naturally going to partially inform their guild decision. Someone that wants to use them isn't likely to join a guild that is dead set against them, and conversely someone that hates the very notion of them isn't going to join a guild that is always running them.

This is a natural split in the population that players absolutely will make. It will exist in the game regardless of Intrepids stance on trackers.

Since this split will exist, I am of the opinion that Intrepid can best serve its player base by working with that split, building the best tracker they can in to the game for those that want it, and not allowing it to work on anyone that is not in their guild.

This allows those that want it to have it right there, but is also the best chance those that don't want it will have of not being forced to associate with trackers directly (even if unknowingly).

Basically, it allows players to make their own decision.

Of all actually plausible options, it is easily the best for players that want trackers, players that do not want trackers and also for Intrepid.

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Mag7spy

kieff wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

DPS meters are dumb, nothing new to see here. Same arguments from page 10, 30, 50-150 all being talked about again here and repeated word to word.

Bad players dont like them. That is it.

That is funny, imagine needing a tool because you are unable to figure things out and calling other players bad.

Ruerik

Mag7spy wrote: »

kieff wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

DPS meters are dumb, nothing new to see here. Same arguments from page 10, 30, 50-150 all being talked about again here and repeated word to word.

Bad players dont like them. That is it.

That is funny, imagine needing a tool because you are unable to figure things out and calling other players bad.

Account join date today, the 7 posts mostly troll posts. Claims wow doesnt have DBM addon. (something that has existed since 2007)

(Don't mind me, just helping to reach 300 here)

Noaani

kieff wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

DPS meters are dumb, nothing new to see here. Same arguments from page 10, 30, 50-150 all being talked about again here and repeated word to word.

Bad players dont like them. That is it.

This is only partially true.

There are indeed many players that simply dont understand what a combat tracker does, or how the information it lays out for you could be benefitial.

Such people are indeed bad players.

However, there are also people that are against them due to not believi g players should need a third party tool to do this - and it is simply that third party aspect of it that they are against.

These players need not be inherently bad at the game.

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