Tone down spell animations

Glad to see the game coming along. I’m hoping for the best. This game could be what we all have been waiting for. Anyways, one criticism I do have from the gameplay footage I’ve seen so far is that the spell animations are too flashy. An example of how this could be bad is when you have several people in the same area casting spells how will anyone know what’s happening. I believe lower profile spell animations should take up the majority of abilities for all classes and major abilities that require cooldowns should be the extravagant looking animations. I haven’t played ashes but from my experience from other games it won’t be fun if my eyes are incapable of processing what’s happening on the screen due to over the top animations.

PS if you could make some parts of the game look grim and dark that would be awesome too. Again I haven’t played ashes but from what I see I don’t get the feel of any evilness in the world. And yes I am a warhammer fan in case you were wondering.

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Yuyukoyay

What you are seeing is most likely ultra settings stuff. A lot of developers develop for those settings. Lower settings are just toning the ultra version down quite literally. It's a pc game obviously you are going to be able to choose the graphics settings with the finest of details.

Jay1204

That's exactly what I wanted to say. Even though it's now 2023, I watched a livestream clip from over a month ago, and the flashy skill effects are too distracting in team battles. Plus, the color tones don't match the surroundings at all, giving it a feel similar to playing a Korean mobile game. I suggest scaling down the size of the skills or significantly increasing their transparency to enhance the immersive experience in team battles.

Morgalf

Therealnightblade wrote: »

Glad to see the game coming along. I’m hoping for the best. This game could be what we all have been waiting for. Anyways, one criticism I do have from the gameplay footage I’ve seen so far is that the spell animations are too flashy. An example of how this could be bad is when you have several people in the same area casting spells how will anyone know what’s happening. I believe lower profile spell animations should take up the majority of abilities for all classes and major abilities that require cooldowns should be the extravagant looking animations. I haven’t played ashes but from my experience from other games it won’t be fun if my eyes are incapable of processing what’s happening on the screen due to over the top animations.

PS if you could make some parts of the game look grim and dark that would be awesome too. Again I haven’t played ashes but from what I see I don’t get the feel of any evilness in the world. And yes I am a warhammer fan in case you were wondering.

I think you made some great points here. I think that keeping a low fantasy profile is beneficial for various reasons. It makes "special" stuff like cooldowns more impactful. Using them makes you feel real cool. Also, it just becomes difficult to see what's going on! Maybe having the ability to toggle how crazy the animations are would be helpful? As long as there is a base indicated animation that allows the player to understand what is happening, what is the point in going over the top and blinding us.

JC31

Therealnightblade wrote: »

Glad to see the game coming along. I’m hoping for the best. This game could be what we all have been waiting for. Anyways, one criticism I do have from the gameplay footage I’ve seen so far is that the spell animations are too flashy. An example of how this could be bad is when you have several people in the same area casting spells how will anyone know what’s happening. I believe lower profile spell animations should take up the majority of abilities for all classes and major abilities that require cooldowns should be the extravagant looking animations. I haven’t played ashes but from my experience from other games it won’t be fun if my eyes are incapable of processing what’s happening on the screen due to over the top animations.

PS if you could make some parts of the game look grim and dark that would be awesome too. Again I haven’t played ashes but from what I see I don’t get the feel of any evilness in the world. And yes I am a warhammer fan in case you were wondering.

Not all spells need to be toned down, that will most likely be an option that a player can make in the graphics menu and is easily solvable my having the default setting for particle effects in the middle some where.

I agree there is currently a spell that is way too flashy. The fighter spell that has a yellow hammer of light doesn't look right at all. Fighter is not supposed to cast spells and it looks more like a paladin ability. A fighter is supposed to be more like a warrior and doesn't cast spells.

Enigmatic Sage

JC31 wrote: »

Therealnightblade wrote: »

Glad to see the game coming along. I’m hoping for the best. This game could be what we all have been waiting for. Anyways, one criticism I do have from the gameplay footage I’ve seen so far is that the spell animations are too flashy. An example of how this could be bad is when you have several people in the same area casting spells how will anyone know what’s happening. I believe lower profile spell animations should take up the majority of abilities for all classes and major abilities that require cooldowns should be the extravagant looking animations. I haven’t played ashes but from my experience from other games it won’t be fun if my eyes are incapable of processing what’s happening on the screen due to over the top animations.

PS if you could make some parts of the game look grim and dark that would be awesome too. Again I haven’t played ashes but from what I see I don’t get the feel of any evilness in the world. And yes I am a warhammer fan in case you were wondering.

Not all spells need to be toned down, that will most likely be an option that a player can make in the graphics menu and is easily solvable my having the default setting for particle effects in the middle some where.

I agree there is currently a spell that is way too flashy. The fighter spell that has a yellow hammer of light doesn't look right at all. Fighter is not supposed to cast spells and it looks more like a paladin ability. A fighter is supposed to be more like a warrior and doesn't cast spells.

ahh hammer slam?

https://youtube.com/shorts/L7jq1cK_dVE?feature=share

Ruerik

Honestly, as long as we as individuals, can customize the bloom setting of spell effects, they wont be too bad.

(I want to be able to keep bloom for generic lighting and area lighting0

its just I dont want bloom on spell effects, let me keep them sharp so I can see under them

Ruerik

Taerrik wrote: »

Honestly, as long as we as individuals, can customize the bloom setting of spell effects, they wont be too bad.

(I want to be able to keep bloom for generic lighting and area lighting0

its just I dont want bloom on spell effects, let me keep them sharp so I can see under them

edit--

it just game to mind, and I dont want to really start a new thread for it, and the wiki has no page on it.
Do you think we will be able to use shaders for the game?
ReShade works for many games, and is absolutely worth the experience if your GPU can handle it.

Enigmatic Sage

Taerrik wrote: »

Taerrik wrote: »

Honestly, as long as we as individuals, can customize the bloom setting of spell effects, they wont be too bad.

(I want to be able to keep bloom for generic lighting and area lighting0

its just I dont want bloom on spell effects, let me keep them sharp so I can see under them

edit--

it just game to mind, and I dont want to really start a new thread for it, and the wiki has no page on it.
Do you think we will be able to use shaders for the game?
ReShade works for many games, and is absolutely worth the experience if your GPU can handle it.

My guess is they'll give various options for graphic settings. No idea currently on the depth for allowances.

JC31

Yes hammer slam looks like a summoner spell. Makes no sense for a fighter to have that spell.

Enigmatic Sage

JC31 wrote: »

Yes hammer slam looks like a summoner spell. Makes no sense for a fighter to have that spell.

The animation seems weird to me not being synchronised with the weapons build up and distance from character but I guess that is due to weapon type, lengths and potentially racial augment issues. I suppose it could be seen as a summoner like hammer with a golden cleric life tone.

The graphical design and animation on its own is really well put together.

Will have to see how augments adjust it.

Tryol

I don't think having this as a default is a good experience, even if you are playing on ultra/everything maxed out.
I agree with OP, and thankfully seemingly most people in this thread.

The lighting intensity needs to be toned down.

PlasticLemons

Do y’all really not think they’ll give us graphics options like literally every PC game that’s ever existed?

Tryol

PlasticLemons wrote: »

Do y’all really not think they’ll give us graphics options like literally every PC game that’s ever existed?

This is not an excuse for not having good defaults.
They are still in alpha, which definitely works as an excuse, but I don't think there is anything wrong with calling this out and providing feedback such as "lower the light intensity / spread".

Arya_Yeshe

for now the effects are very intrusive

unknownsystemerror

Thought we had killed this thread back in 2020. The intensity of the lighting effects is a product of development. Their explanation given is that it is easier to start high, then tone down later in the process. It is more work to start low and then tune higher if needed. So while you may want this or that as an option right now, they are going to do what is best for them during the process of making the game.

Enigmatic Sage

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Thought we had killed this thread back in 2020. The intensity of the lighting effects is a product of development. Their explanation given is that it is easier to start high, then tone down later in the process. It is more work to start low and then tune higher if needed. So while you may want this or that as an option right now, they are going to do what is best for them during the process of making the game.

Tryol

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Thought we had killed this thread back in 2020. The intensity of the lighting effects is a product of development. Their explanation given is that it is easier to start high, then tone down later in the process. It is more work to start low and then tune higher if needed. So while you may want this or that as an option right now, they are going to do what is best for them during the process of making the game.

What exactly happened in 2020 that confirmed this to be the way they are going? Is there a quote from an Intrepid employee?

unknownsystemerror

Tryol wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Thought we had killed this thread back in 2020. The intensity of the lighting effects is a product of development. Their explanation given is that it is easier to start high, then tone down later in the process. It is more work to start low and then tune higher if needed. So while you may want this or that as an option right now, they are going to do what is best for them during the process of making the game.

What exactly happened in 2020 that confirmed this to be the way they are going? Is there a quote from an Intrepid employee?

This is the latest answer where they explain their philosophy on effects and how they will be implemented in game. Notice they both refer to previous conversations had at those times, especially around A1. Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/iWwkvsnjEnE?t=1h03m41s

Enigmatic Sage

@unknownsystemerror I find when it comes to the design of the game visually it's best to portray the game in the vision of the dev's first within their limitations. With how tech is going with things like upscaling, ray pathing, reconstruction, engine tools such as nanite etc. the developers get put into a few scenario's for choices for outside alterations into their vision. Either build it right which could take a bit longer or use those outside techs as a crutch. They put themselves into a situation where they have to choose a higher standard for recommended hardware for optimisation or make it generally open ended for those with lower to mid range hardware sacrificing the potential quality of their vision.

Enigmatic Sage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ETEGGlYi1I

good video with samples. I don't see the point in using upscale tech in competitive gaming or MMORPG'S but the other tech is the focus of the point. I wont get into the nonsense of "frame generation" lol

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