Warning from my previous experiences facing healers balanced around PvE.

simply put; they end up mandatory. a grp with a healer cannot lose in pvp againt a grp with out one.
i'm active on new world and the current meta is anti heal proc on everything.
it was true in dark age of camelot 20 years ago and it's still an issue today.

love you, cant wait for the alpha.

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Effah

But do you guys know any prior games that provides anti heal threw the skill tree ? its so rare and i feel and should be accessible to everybody.

people keep thinking its a hard problem to solve, its not.

Kilion

People here dont seem to think it is a problem in the first place with assassins being distinctly designed to completely annihilate low defense targets or will wait for the Alpha to come around and take a look whether your concerns turn out to be justified.

Effah

Kilion wrote: »

People here dont seem to think it is a problem in the first place with assassins being distinctly designed to completely annihilate low defense targets or will wait for the Alpha to come around and take a look whether your concerns turn out to be justified.

yes you so smart, thanks for posting.

Kilion

How about actually adressing what I said?
Whats wrong with testing the current system in the Alpha and reserve judgement for that time?

Effah

Kilion wrote: »

How about actually adressing what I said?
Whats wrong with testing the current system in the Alpha and reserve judgement for that time?

if we take that approach then lets just shut down the whole forums ? just talking about my experience on what happens when the meta relies around broken healers leading to boring zergs. seen it over and over while you were still sucking ur mom's tits.

look at how many people click'd on the topic that's about 900 people that kept the thread clean from a lack opinion or care. maybe learn from them ?

you forum warriors are a meme. you don't represent anything. if you wana go off topic ever two minutes just go on a discord chan.

Kilion

Since you are unable to simply discuss the topic and only cry about what things I am in your imagination, I'll leave you to it from now on.^^

TyranthraxusEQ

P0GG0 wrote: »

i'm done repeating myself for ur entertainment.

This was the best post of your thread.

Effah

try winning an argument, hurt feelings don't count.

Blood_Raven

P0GG0 wrote: »

also what do you mean healers no OP ? their is 13 class per realm and 1 of them get pick'd twice every single time ?

Over Powered in my book means the class is more powerful than any other class or is so powerful it causes game balance issues. If in Daoc you only needed 1 healer in a 8 man group engaged in PvP then the class likely would have been OP. If your healer can heal a full group and themselves with people chasing them around or hitting them for lots of damage then it is an OP class. If you were a healer in Daoc in PvP you were dead unless you could kite well (when kiting no heals since you could not move if casting) or get cross healed by another healer. If you were moving or CC'd you could not help your group (sure you had a few insta heals but they had super long cooldowns like 10 mins).

I also think saying Daoc was an accident does not give credit to the innovative and hard work the original developers put into the game.

Could a healing class be overpowered?? hell yes and if as some of you are saying healers are better tanks than tanks in some games than yes that is a real problem. You have to let casters be interrupted or any of them could be way OP.

I see two trains of thought here at the core of this discussion. 1) some people want classes that can do a bit of everything so there is no determent to not having a certain class. 2) Others want classes to be real good at one thing and thus need a group to accomplish anything.
I admit I would fall into the 2nd group of people. I want a healer that is good at the job and not one that can Tank and Heal perfectly. I also don't want a tank that can heal as if they are a healer etc...

Effah

we learned to play and love meta games but are they really the best way to go. i quickly get bored of building groups of 'one of each role'. its escalates to infinity.

to take a random example, i love starcraft and learning a solid strategy that can make me win despite randomness. but over the years i realised that the most entertaining matches are the ones filled with mistakes and recoveries.

Xuri

You'll never see even the most basic level of micro and strategy required to play an RTS where APM is king in an MMO designed to appeal to a middle aged audience.

Also not really sure why people are trying to argue or change the mind of the OP. Their original post is a statement and doesn't elude to anything outside of that. If anything this thread should have been put in feedback.

Effah

Xuri wrote: »

You'll never see even the most basic level of strategy required to play an RTS in an MMO.

well it depends if the devs push as in that direction, from the very little info we have about the game they are mixing hardcore pvp with trinity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVu-Idicqk4&t=522s

look at thoes guys on a 20 year old game. real life example of when to much is too much lol.

Xuri

Sorry, had to edit to clarify my vague point.

Effah

Xuri wrote: »

Sorry, had to edit to clarify my vague point.

that's nice, i think i triggered world views by accident.

Xuri

People are bored and just want to argue. Even with things that are too early to know not to mention where there is a chance that feedback might actually be taken into consideration.

Kilion

Exactly. We have time to see how well the current systems work during the Alpha and then see what needs fixing.

Effah

Kilion wrote: »

Exactly. We have time to see how well the current systems work during the Alpha and then see what needs fixing.

bro, literally every game said that at some point and still go for the same core mechanics and build and build on top of it until its too late.

Depraved

Kilion wrote: »

Since you are unable to simply discuss the topic and only cry about what things I am in your imagination, I'll leave you to it from now on.^^

i realized a couple of pages ago its impossible arguing with him. he is probably trolling. you can also tell he hasnt played many games. it seems that he only played games where healers are op.

Noaani

Depraved wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Since you are unable to simply discuss the topic and only cry about what things I am in your imagination, I'll leave you to it from now on.^^

i realized a couple of pages ago its impossible arguing with him. he is probably trolling. you can also tell he hasnt played many games. it seems that he only played games where healers are op.

I dont think trolling, I think that the poster thinks they have a valid point, and that their thinking is the only valid thinking.

They would be wrong on both points if that is the case - but it is the assumption I've gone with.

Effah

Noaani wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Since you are unable to simply discuss the topic and only cry about what things I am in your imagination, I'll leave you to it from now on.^^

i realized a couple of pages ago its impossible arguing with him. he is probably trolling. you can also tell he hasnt played many games. it seems that he only played games where healers are op.

I dont think trolling, I think that the poster thinks they have a valid point, and that their thinking is the only valid thinking.

They would be wrong on both points if that is the case - but it is the assumption I've gone with.

Depraved wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Since you are unable to simply discuss the topic and only cry about what things I am in your imagination, I'll leave you to it from now on.^^

i realized a couple of pages ago its impossible arguing with him. he is probably trolling. you can also tell he hasnt played many games. it seems that he only played games where healers are op.

Kilion wrote: »

Exactly. We have time to see how well the current systems work during the Alpha and then see what needs fixing.

Please ONE person tells me why healing should be the same in a pve raids and open world pvp ?
I don't want to discuss anything else.

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