Wolves and Sheep dogs - Getting away with murder in the corruption system

Okay, I wanted to get some opinions on the PvP system. It is clear that many of us are here for this very important reason. I was curious what type of strategies everyone is cooking up, how Ashes can get around them, and everything in between.

I love world PvP. I love killing players that are minding their own business (wolves), I love defending people getting attacked by people like me (sheep dogs), I love grouping up and taking down a town, and I love defending a town that is under attack. However, I am well aware of how badly players can be abused. I have grown out of PK'ing relentlessly over the years. If I do, everyone gets one. However, I know the wolves are still out there... I hope I am not judged too hard by this! In order to catch the wolf, you need to think like the wolf! Overall, the goal is consider the sneaky tactics to snuff out the toxic players (like younger me) and foster a healthy (high risk) environment long term.

Here is my favorite strategy: I will have two accounts. If I want to kill a player and take their goods, I will happily get flagged. Then, I will run around the corner to my other character so that he can kill my wolf and reduce my corruption/take the drops. This way, I can bypass the repercussions by being the avenger as well, but I do not lose the goods from the kill or items that my character loses due to corruption. I can't think of a way that they could correct this issue. It mimics the natural game mechanics...

Another strategy: I can get the character to max level, create a bunch of cheap gear, and go on a rampage. As I lose the gear through death, I will continue to put on the new stuff. This allows me to collect stolen goods at the cost of some cheap equipment. Maybe I can even use the stolen goods to create or purchase new cheap gear in a never-ending cycle of death. I think they only way that Ashes can get around this is the perma-corruption. Where when you do so many bad deeds your character is eventually permanently handicapped. I think this is pretty severe though. Maybe a long term corruption debuff would be less severe, but under those circumstances, I would just create multiple characters designed to be killers. A stable of assassins or something. As the corruption goes down on the characters, I can just switch between them. They could correct that by only allowing corruption to subside while in game or even while working in a prison camp.

Let me know your strategies unless you're one of the baddies that want to get away with it and drive away our player population.

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Kilion

In the end this is another of those points where we can only really tell how well it works when we get our hands on a playable version. But I think there is a good chance that the current corruption system we know of is just the foundation that will be completed based on the data collected during the Alpha.

E.g. when it turns out that neither Node progression nor players time online is severely affected by ganks, then there is less reason to increase the penalties. Intrepid has some sort of parameters according to which their game is "working well" and the more we deviate from that in correlation with corruption generating PvP the harsher the system will most likely become.

Aszkalon

Morgalf wrote: »

Here is my favorite strategy: I will have two accounts. If I want to kill a player and take their goods, I will happily get flagged. Then, I will run around the corner to my other character so that he can kill my wolf and reduce my corruption/take the drops. This way, I can bypass the repercussions by being the avenger as well, but I do not lose the goods from the kill or items that my character loses due to corruption. I can't think of a way that they could correct this issue. It mimics the natural game mechanics...

I mentioned something like that in the last Months as well. Someone was even so nice to more or less compliment me for thinking about that, while Others seemed to either not think of this Possibility, or kinda just brushing the Topic of.

You can do this - with several Accounts.

OR : with " Friends " who happily assume the Role of the Slayers/Avengers - and control more efficiently to gain and reduce Corruption.

Of Course - this would be definitely some Extra Work to put in. I could imagine, that Sir Steven and his mighty Crew might limit such Activities with Timers.

Like : when You " Murder-hobo'd " (lol) Ten to Twenty People -> your Corruption has weakened You so much, that You can not murder-hobo'ing (

) them anymore.

But maybe You can't GET RID of that Corruption, before like Twelve to Twenty-Four Hours have passed.

If you reach certain Corruption Levels "several Times" in just a few Days, who knows ? - > MAYBE your Time to get rid of the Corruption increases even more.

You could surely making being a Playerkiller, a LOOOT more inconvenient for People. At least inconvenient enough through Mechanics, so that they are not able to gank and murder People all the Time, Twenty-Four-Seven, like every Day of the Week.

Depraved

you already get stats dampening so you cant kill people non stop, at some point you will be too weak and die. also, the more corruption you have, the longer it takes to cleanse...

Aszkalon

Depraved wrote: »

you already get stats dampening so you cant kill people non stop, at some point you will be too weak and die. also, the more corruption you have, the longer it takes to cleanse...

Hopefully it will be significant enough to make it troubling to be a Playerkiller as one's absolute main focus in the Game.

Damn i wish we could see a Presentation right now. 😁 😎👍

Depraved

Aszkalon wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

you already get stats dampening so you cant kill people non stop, at some point you will be too weak and die. also, the more corruption you have, the longer it takes to cleanse...

Hopefully it will be significant enough to make it troubling to be a Playerkiller as one's absolute main focus in the Game.

Damn i wish we could see a Presentation right now. 😁 😎👍

hopefully not

im hoping i can kill 4-6 people before my stats get too low. you can still be a pk as your main focus, just cleanse karma before your next kill

Dripyula

Depraved wrote: »

you already get stats dampening so you cant kill people non stop, at some point you will be too weak and die. also, the more corruption you have, the longer it takes to cleanse...

I hope there come special benefits with some kind of "maximum corruption" in your player.
Stuff like
" Achievement unlocked: Rotten to the core "
Enables:
Speak with the corrupted Ancient to recieve a unique quest and corrupted gear.

Haaaah the possibilities.

Aszkalon

Depraved wrote: »

hopefully not

im hoping i can kill 4-6 people before my stats get too low. you can still be a pk as your main focus, just cleanse karma before your next kill

Hopefully Yes. 😎👍

Nobody ever claimed You shall be unable to kill Four to Six People or so, before Corruption affects you severely.

I am more concerned over the People that want "to Murderhobo" like HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE in the Span of several Hours. Doesn't matter how often the ganked/killed People are the same People.

I am only concerned for those who want to do this for Hours everyday.

Depraved

Aszkalon wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

hopefully not

im hoping i can kill 4-6 people before my stats get too low. you can still be a pk as your main focus, just cleanse karma before your next kill

Hopefully Yes. 😎👍

Nobody ever claimed You shall be unable to kill Four to Six People or so, before Corruption affects you severely.

I am more concerned over the People that want "to Murderhobo" like HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE in the Span of several Hours. Doesn't matter how often the ganked/killed People are the same People.

I am only concerned for those who want to do this for Hours everyday.

why is that a concern? if the same guy keeps killing you, go somewhere else lol
if you can clear corruption, you should be able to go red again and again and again. you are already taking lots of risks anyways.

Depraved

Dripyula wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

you already get stats dampening so you cant kill people non stop, at some point you will be too weak and die. also, the more corruption you have, the longer it takes to cleanse...

I hope there come special benefits with some kind of "maximum corruption" in your player.
Stuff like
" Achievement unlocked: Rotten to the core "
Enables:
Speak with the corrupted Ancient to recieve a unique quest and corrupted gear.

Haaaah the possibilities.

lol i dont get u T_T

tautau

In the wiki at https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Corruption, Steven says

"There is no incentive to go corrupt... There's zero incentive for a player to go red. It actually gives you negatives for doing that- very significant downsides.[14] – Steven Sharif
The goal of the corruption system is to keep risk alive while significantly curtailing or deterring the ability for players to grief other players.[15][16]
It is my expectation that the system will perform very well in keeping risk alive, but significantly curtailing or deterring the ability for players to grief.[16] – Steven Sharif

If the system works as intended, which it probably will after the tweaking in Alpha-2, then even killing 4-6 people and then attempting to remove corruption to do it again, will not be feasible. Perhaps after that many PKs you will be so ineffective at hunting that it is almost impossible to wash. Perhaps washing corruption by deaths will result in such an experience penalty that it is inefficient to re-level.

Recall that while you are washing your corruption (however you do it), your potential future victims are advancing in level to the point where you may lose the next time you attack them, the route of the PKer may be an inherently failing one.

tautau

Deleted due to multiple posting, sorry.

tautau

Deleted due to multiple posting, my apologies.

Aszkalon

Depraved wrote: »

why is that a concern? if the same guy keeps killing you, go somewhere else lol

But what if i like him stabbing me to Death with his Blades ? What if i like knowing i help someone else to truly fall from grace and embrace becoming the lowest of the low ?

Kidding.

I am not concerned for myself. I shall do then just as you say. If there is a Playerkiller i can not beat - and Time after Time after Time he comes back and kicks my butt every single time,

i shall just go somewhere else for the Timebeing. But what about Players who want for some Reason be in a certain Area ? ^^ I imagine some PvE-loving Folks with no big fighting Skills - complaining that someone always murks them.

It will be me a bittersweet Pleasure, trying to help these Players to bring the Playerkiller to Justice.

Depraved

tautau wrote: »

In the wiki at https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Corruption, Steven says

"There is no incentive to go corrupt... There's zero incentive for a player to go red. It actually gives you negatives for doing that- very significant downsides.[14] – Steven Sharif
The goal of the corruption system is to keep risk alive while significantly curtailing or deterring the ability for players to grief other players.[15][16]
It is my expectation that the system will perform very well in keeping risk alive, but significantly curtailing or deterring the ability for players to grief.[16] – Steven Sharif

If the system works as intended, which it probably will after the tweaking in Alpha-2, then even killing 4-6 people and then attempting to remove corruption to do it again, will not be feasible. Perhaps after that many PKs you will be so ineffective at hunting that it is almost impossible to wash. Perhaps washing corruption by deaths will result in such an experience penalty that it is inefficient to re-level.

Recall that while you are washing your corruption (however you do it), your potential future victims are advancing in level to the point where you may lose the next time you attack them, the route of the PKer may be an inherently failing one.

you dont get the stat dampening in pve or vs bounty hunters, so killing 4 players is cleansable, or should be. even 100 players..as long as you arent found and killed.

and what do you mean its inefficient to level? you cant de level...you just gt exp debt which you can "pay off" by exping again...4 pk shouldnt make it so that you need to start a new character lol, same as dying 4 or 5 times. imagine if u died 4 times in one level doing pve and now you cant level back....

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