Risk for attacking Caravans:

Being marked as a "Bandit" and appear on bounty hunter maps (or maybe the map in general) for which the player will reward [insert some kind of reward here].

How's that?

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Depraved

also attackers dont really get rewarded...they still have to do their own caravan run to get any rewards

Dimitraeos

Depraved wrote: »

also attackers dont really get rewarded...they still have to do their own caravan run to get any rewards

to carry back the pillaged goods they stole? That doesnt just exist in player inventory?

Depraved

they have to run their caravan to make any profit, plus they wont b able to loot everything

Dimitraeos

Depraved wrote: »

they have to run their caravan to make any profit, plus they wont b able to loot everything

Fair points, I actually completely forgot about these details, been a while since I brushed up on the wiki.

Depraved

oh i forgot. also the defenders can launch multiple empty caravans as decoy, so less risk for them. less risk and only profit xdd

Liniker

why tho? this caravan system worked great in silkroad and even archeage had a similar system with no "penalties" for attackers, not needed, I'd recommend getting familiar with how other games did it before making suggestions on something without knowing how it plays out,

people should be encouraged to attack, not have penalties or get flagged, the risk is in the defenders because they will be getting the big rewards as shown on the caravan stream 8 times the profit for a 15 minute trip, thats an insane reward already should have a high risk

attackers won't even get 1/3 of that loot with restrictions in place like having to caravan back the loot, cost of gear degradation, time invested, and if they are successful theres also reputation on the line which is a big thing in these games,

if anything I say give more incentives to attackers lol and this is coming from someone that has absolutely no plans on going bandit as I will be busy running and protecting my own caravans

Arya_Yeshe

Don't over punish attackers, force them to stay in purple for a period of time if they opted to be attackers, if they like PvP make them to stay in PvP instead of just letting them bottom feed on weaker targets

Arya ideas, best ideas

Raven016

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Don't over punish attackers, force them to stay in purple for a period of time if they opted to be attackers, if they like PvP make them to stay in PvP instead of just letting them bottom feed on weaker targets

Arya ideas, best ideas

Steven likes your idea.

These events will flag participating players as Combatants (purple) and players will remain flagged for a period of time after leaving that battleground.[6][8][9] Corrupted (red) players will remain red during PvP events.[10]

Arya_Yeshe

Raven016 wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Don't over punish attackers, force them to stay in purple for a period of time if they opted to be attackers, if they like PvP make them to stay in PvP instead of just letting them bottom feed on weaker targets

Arya ideas, best ideas

Steven likes your idea.

These events will flag participating players as Combatants (purple) and players will remain flagged for a period of time after leaving that battleground.[6][8][9] Corrupted (red) players will remain red during PvP events.[10]

Oh! Nice, not the first time Steven and me see eye to eye on some matters it appears

Thokan

Ya'll are completely ignoring the social aspect of the game, which is a great part of the risk versus reward design in a PvP game with politics.

Since the risk is high for the caravan runner, the social aspect incentivizes them to be good neighbours.

Since the risk is high for the caravan runner, attacking a caravan is antagonizing and will ensure you are put on everybody defending's List.

The Mayor of a node can, supposedly, designate individuals Enemy of the Node. Any guild can War Declare and KOS. That is the true, and high, risk of raiding caravans.

A caravan runner may lose X minutes of gathering. A caravan attacker risk getting spawncamped for the rest of the game experience. Isnt that enough?

Veeshan

attackers loose repuation if one guild keep destroying thing they end up on KOS lists and so on :P

You kinda dont wanna attack caravans associated with your node orr allying node cause can have concequences potentialy

Aszkalon

Raven016 wrote: »

There will be fast caravans for solo players with high chance to escape.

If you mean the Speedboost displayed in the Caravan-Stream -> that doesn't look as powerful as People might think it is.

Also, why would there be a Type only for "Solo-Players" ? 🤔

I can't imagine this to work, in Case the Attackers have Mounts -> or even when they are on Foot. The Speedboost is not like holding for a whole Minute or so, right ?

Plus -> can't Attackers split up into a Vanguard-Group and the others are a Second Wave ? In Case the Caravan-Wagon uses it's Speedboost to flee from the Vanguard-Group -> the others can come right afterwards - probably even from the Direction the Caravan is fleeing to.

( Comes down to how well Players can guess, to which Node/Direction the Caravan wants to go. )

Lastly,
we haven't seen "Effects" yet, which Attackers may be able to use - to slow down a Caravan Wagon, right ?

Felling/cutting Tree's nearby the Road, so they fall into the Way,
putting a Puddle of slimy Goo or so on the Ground - similar like the Hunter/Ranger-Oil Puddle(Trap) in WoW,

who says the Attackers will never have anything, to slow down a Caravan-Wagon - effectively hindering it from escaping ? 🤔

Right now - i can only imagine " One. effective. Type. " of Defense for any Caravan-Wagon, when being faced with multiple Attackers which are all Players.

-> You must have an about same as huge Group of Friends (Players) who help You defend the Caravan-Wagon as well.

I can't imagine a single Player in his or her Wagon escaping from Five Attackers, at the Moment. 🤔

Raven016

Aszkalon wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

There will be fast caravans for solo players with high chance to escape.

If you mean the Speedboost displayed in the Caravan-Stream -> that doesn't look as powerful as People might think it is.

Also, why would there be a Type only for "Solo-Players" ? 🤔

Here is the reason

Raven016 wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Ah yes, I didn't thought about that. Then personal caravans can have light versions too which move fast. The slow ones you use when you travel with a small group defending you, a group which will have to get part of the profit too.

No caravans can be faster than a running player, because that would mean that no one can attack them, which makes them OP at multiplying gold.

I had to go and check the stream again. I thought I misunderstood

https://youtu.be/sNfwQILIasQ?t=4352

Caravan system has an inherent risk and that is that players out on the roads when you're far away from these node locations can gank your Caravans but as I was describing in the Showcase this is something that will influence how you construct your Caravan and which components you want to go for. So for example if you're a solo player and you don't intend on transiting a lot of materials at once you may not need the large cargo capacity but instead you want the faster speed because you intend to outrun any potential adversaries that you might face on the roads. That is a viable strategic option for you when constructing your Caravan.

https://youtu.be/sNfwQILIasQ?t=2529

This goes for a lot of the node features right where we're trying to create these ways for you know people who maybe are used to sort of a more solo MMO like gameplay experience to have easy ways to take that first step into like collaborating or competing with each other so that's really one of the things that we spent a lot of time talking about for this system. I assume that in regards to the design of the component system if I am utilizing components that might give my Caravan a significantly higher stat of speed it's unlikely that I would also at the same time be able to select components that were to give an equitable amount of benefit in the stat of let's say cargo or health. It's going to be tradeoff in that sense.

You'll be able to have Caravans of different customizations but there won't be one Caravan that does everything to best you have to make sacrifices depending on what you want to use your Caravan for.
If you want to have an off-road Caravan, a really fast onroad Caravan or just a slow tanky Caravan that can hold a lot of stuff, there'll be lot of options players can choose
I can see the obvious benefit and choices that certain players will have, if you're more solo oriented player you might just want to have the fastest possible Caravan around because you're not worrying about people to stick close to you but also if you do come under attack your chances of succeeding at a fight are far less than getting away by speed

So my assumption is that the solo versions will not bring much profit and not for a long time. Just enough to get use to the system and to want to have more profit faster, with slower caravans and with groups of players.
Attackers will also not try to hunt these fast worthless caravans but might catch some by chance if they are at choke points.
I don't know about mounted combat. There was some statement that those might be tuned down.

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