Fat Sliders, Pompadores, and Green-Leaf....

Am super-excited to get my hands on the character-creator tools.

How liberal do y'all think we'll get to be? I know we're all supposed to be heroes and what-not - but yours truly wouldn't mind seeing some 300+ lbs toons walking around.

Am thinking Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin are about the only fat heroes currently active, in American Society. Shouldn't we be able to be fat, in-game?

Or is fat just not epic?

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Nerror

To get back on topic, sure, let's get some fat sliders.

To what extent depends on what the art team can make look good. All the different armors have to look good and not be weirdly stretched, for example.

Enigmatic Sage

@Nerror the texture stretch would be an issue. But if they have say 3 body type rigs per race/gender, they could balance that out based on slider allowances.

also, one of the best duo's. Your picture reminded me of it.

Enigmatic Sage

@Tyranthraxus I remember in SWTOR, seeing the obese force users acrobatically fly across the map. I believe they had 4 body type frames.

Dygz

I'm pretty sure the Chest slider will also accommodate boob adjustment.
We've also seen a slider for Crotch in the Ashes Character Creator demo, so...

Taleof2Cities

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Shouldn't we be able to be fat, in-game?

Or is fat just not epic?

Some of the best DPS players I've seen have their Orc's character sliders all the way to the right.

So, heroes can (indeed) be "big-boned".

From what I've seen of the character creator so far, Ashes should be no different.

Vyril

The limit should be based on disproportionate body types that are technical limitations with armor and in-game races.

No reason male characters can't be obese or jacked. With all portions of anatomy adjustable. Make them your own fantasy.

Meanwhile do the same thing with females.

There is no reasonable or logical excuse why you shouldn't be able to. A decent representation should exist in-game that mimics real world understanding of anatomy, and reflects personal and racial preference.

Sexualization comes from the person, and or the "style" of the gear/clothes.

Tyranthraxus

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Tyranthraxus I remember in SWTOR, seeing the obese force users acrobatically fly across the map. I believe they had 4 body type frames.

Aye, SWTOR allowed fat-ness, though their character creator is a joke, compared to modern ones.

Heheh - I still remember a player named "Diabeeto" - whose primary RP was that his blue-skinned Twi'lek with the fat body-type had diabetes.

mezcapp

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Just so we're clear and this thread doesn't turn into a bunch of muppets trying to challenge me from the peanut gallery...

Hello friend, muppet here just enjoying some peanuts... Have you considered multiple replies/quotes per post instead of posting multiple times in a row?

Side note: im willing to share my peanuts~

Dygz

Vyril wrote: »

The limit should be based on disproportionate body types that are technical limitations with armor and in-game races.

No reason male characters can't be obese or jacked. With all portions of anatomy adjustable. Make them your own fantasy.

It's not quite going to be "your own fantasy".
Verra has distinct player character races - which will limit specific parameters accordingly.

Dezemi

I am painfully aware of the very vocal minority of people screaming at the top of their lungs when it comes to female characters and sexuality.... But please, Intrepid, for the love of all that is holy, consider the silent majority of female gamers.

As a woman who has played games during her entire life (speaking for myself and my female gamer friends in this): bring that chest slider!

Women, like men, comes in all shapes and sizes and it'd be nice to have that reflected in the game. I really do not see the issue in certain people (no matter their irl gender) making female characters with big breasts. Like honestly - who cares?

And just a fun observation I've made during these years of online gaming: many of the most "sexualized" characters I've ever seen in online games have been the avatars of women. Believe it or not - sexuality is a part of many women's "power fantasy" (as we apparently call it when men play muscular, handsome characters).... A phenomena which is also very easy to notice if you play DnD with women. (And I happen to be doing that as well.)

... I mean, don't take my word for it: go into the first BG3 group that you can find and take a look at the modded clothes/styles most women there use. If you can handle the Astarion thirst, that is. xd

(TL;DR) Point is: sliders for chest areas is all fine. I have never, ever known a female gamer that gets upset with them - quite the opposite, most appreciate the customization option.

In general - the more sliders the better! (As long as they are within the appropriate body standards for each race!)

arsnn

Textures and animations at some point look really bad, if the underlying 3D model differ too much.

In games with character creators, every character works with the same animations. Gamedevs have to come up with reasonable boundary, so it doesnt look cheap and bad.
Games like LoL can have more diversity since every champion has their own animations.

Vyril

Dygz wrote: »

Vyril wrote: »

The limit should be based on disproportionate body types that are technical limitations with armor and in-game races.

No reason male characters can't be obese or jacked. With all portions of anatomy adjustable. Make them your own fantasy.

It's not quite going to be "your own fantasy".
Verra has distinct player character races - which will limit specific parameters accordingly.

I addressed that exactly in my post.

Depraved

Nerror wrote: »

To get back on topic, sure, let's get some fat sliders.

To what extent depends on what the art team can make look good. All the different armors have to look good and not be weirdly stretched, for example.

this look like a villain, and not something id wanna play as xD

Nerror

AI pictures are fun

This is what the Bing image creator thinks a fat Py'rai looks like:

She could be a Tulnar...

Enigmatic Sage

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Tyranthraxus I remember in SWTOR, seeing the obese force users acrobatically fly across the map. I believe they had 4 body type frames.

Aye, SWTOR allowed fat-ness, though their character creator is a joke, compared to modern ones.

Heheh - I still remember a player named "Diabeeto" - whose primary RP was that his blue-skinned Twi'lek with the fat body-type had diabetes.

I was picturing twi'lek meatballs too! lol.

nanfoodle

In real life I'm an Ogre. People that round a corner to fast in my direction have a small panic attack when they see me coming. My wife is the classic Jamaican body figure. We both rarely get to see our body types in an MMO. We are just used to it but would be thrilled to play an MMO that we can make something that we identify with.

Depraved

nanfoodle wrote: »

In real life I'm an Ogre. People that round a corner to fast in my direction have a small panic attack when they see me coming. My wife is the classic Jamaican body figure. We both rarely get to see our body types in an MMO. We are just used to it but would be thrilled to play an MMO that we can make something that we identify with.

with a px90 you can use your body types in a mmorpg xDDD

Gizban

Will the obese characters be required to manage a debuff called diabetes?

Generally, high carb diet = insulin sensitivity = obese.

Nerror

pyreal wrote: »

insulin sensitivity

insulin insensitivity

And sure, why not! Let the non-obese characters deal with a sadness debuff from lack of chocolate to balance it out.

Kilion

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

I know we're all supposed to be heroes and what-not

I don't think that is the case at all. The lore I am aware of actually points towards us just being a bunch of random people released back into the world of our ancestors, with no particular task attached to it, other than a memo saying "you can live here again.". In fact it seems to me that we are - ironically - going to enter Verra at the beginning of the GOOD times, not when the world is in turmoil and needs heroes, but the times when the Gods finally banished the danger of the Others and it is SAFE for us to return.
The whole scenario basically spells to me: We are absolutely NOT heroes, we are the normies who hid in the bomb shelter and waited XD

And with all that said, I'll get to your actual question:

In context of us returning to the world at peace times from a peaceful shelter, I think it would make perfect sense that we could also be fat. That being said: Since Steven said that he wants the game to feel "realistic" I think it might make sense to cap fatness with stats and when these stats rise, you automatically lose weight. Because it would be very weird to have a 400lbs Bladedancer or Duelist with high dexterity and strength move around the battlefield like a feather dances in the wind. I think that would look as "false" as the oversized weapons that were ruled out. That would lead to chubby mages, bards or clerics being possible at all levels but not on highly mobile classes - and I think that is quite an interesting addition to flavor, to have stats be slightly representative in your character model.

For the mentioned chest sliders: I could see those being a thing again, within the "normal" range, probably capping the size based on certain stats and realism. A ranger with two medicine ball stuck on her front, won't be able to use a bow effectively or doing flips and sh!t like that is not an issue. So within a reasonable range, I see no issue with a chest slider. Heck, maybe even allow female rangers to have only one side of their chest "bigger" as a flavor option. (I think this being a thing in Earths past has been proven to be false, they just tightly wrapped them close to their body, but still)

I think it would be nice to have a "Stocky - Slender" slider.
And I very much hope that, while we won't be able to transfer our characters completely, that we can at least export the basic characters look to the launch version.

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