Question about Underperforming Node Citizens?

I have a question about what a node mayor or citizens can do about other citizens who underperform? We know that the number of node citizens will be capped based on housing, and that a node needs their citizens to generate xp and resources for their node to stay equal or grow. I am wondering what could be done if a node has many citizens who have only a couple hours a week to enjoy the game who may not be contributing enough for the node development, and if there is a way to replace those citizens with players who have more time to spend. We could also talk about the ethicality of removing such players, as they are still active but just not as active as other players who would contribute more.

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Perryuppal

McShave wrote: »

I have a question about what a node mayor or citizens can do about other citizens who underperform? We know that the number of node citizens will be capped based on housing, and that a node needs their citizens to generate xp and resources for their node to stay equal or grow. I am wondering what could be done if a node has many citizens who have only a couple hours a week to enjoy the game who may not be contributing enough for the node development, and if there is a way to replace those citizens with players who have more time to spend. We could also talk about the ethicality of removing such players, as they are still active but just not as active as other players who would contribute more.

As others have said, the only way a citizen of a node should be able to be "forced out" is through taxation. If the node is becoming more popular and looking to expand, taxes would naturally be increased to a level that allows the node enough resources to invest in infrastructure and continue expansion at the pace it wishes to move. If a citizen can afford that level of taxation, they have every right to stay in the node because they are contributing at a level the node deems as acceptable.

Allowing Mayors/players to boot citizens as they wish only serves as a breeding ground for bad actors to threaten their citizens with the loss of their purchased land/contributions to the node if they don't do what they want.

Arya_Yeshe

Cadac wrote: »

I don't believe a known spy, actively working against the interests of the Node, should be allowed to reside in an invisible hamster ball of civic immunity within the walls of the Node.
One Patron Guild + Mayor = Boot
If they abuse their power, it will cost them politicly within, and without the Node, and cause conflict!

In EVE Online we call them awoxers, there is not automatic system to kick them out of the npc stabilished militia, players can subscribe to the local militia and fight against the opposing faction. Such players spy and backstab people and there's no automatic kick for them

How do we deal with them?
We outright gank them, I ganked two yesterday and he got sad and asked why I was doing that... so this is the kind of people we have to deal, some are outright liars, some are oblivious about their own behaviour, some are just sociopaths or narcisist.

The solution is flushing them out through sheer violence

Arya_Yeshe

McShave wrote: »

Thanks to everyone who responded. I guess my question is answered by the 2 points:
1. taxes need to be paid every month
2. non-citizens can contribute to node xp and resources.

I agree that there shouldn't be a way to directly remove a citizen from a node, but maybe increase the taxes for a short while (crunch) as to remove the bottom x% of performing citizens.

Absolutely not. Why would I waste my time with such trivialities? If I so desire, I could spend my entire month dominating the arena and fighting wars, all while casually stashing my wealth in my luxurious apartment. That's the lifestyle I choose

And let's be real here, when it comes to defending my node, I'll outshine any farmer without breaking a sweat. My muscles and wits will shine through when the node faces its greatest peril

When dark comes come, it's our strength and cunning that will carry the day. After all, who will be the ones who will rise in such occastions? It will not be the flower pickers, but will be the meanest and badest the node has to offer

Aszkalon

mobtek wrote: »

Damn HOA getting started already and we're not even in Alpha 2

HOA ? 😮

Cadac

I was hoping for a catapult ride over the wall banishment system, but have to settle for the heroes of the node going red. But we all know there is no reason to want to go red, but have to, maybe the unspoken part.

HOA, Home Owners Association, an often times regrettable real estate purchase.

RazThemun

NiKr wrote: »

I'd say there should be no way of removing them. They bought their living in the node - they deserve to be there (obviously if they keep being able to afford taxes).

^ This

Aszkalon

Cadac wrote: »

I was hoping for a catapult ride over the wall

( Watch from 29 Seconds. 😁 ^.^ )

https://youtu.be/watch?v=JglnSrfJtyQ&t=29s

Diamaht

McShave wrote: »

I have a question about what a node mayor or citizens can do about other citizens who underperform? We know that the number of node citizens will be capped based on housing, and that a node needs their citizens to generate xp and resources for their node to stay equal or grow. I am wondering what could be done if a node has many citizens who have only a couple hours a week to enjoy the game who may not be contributing enough for the node development, and if there is a way to replace those citizens with players who have more time to spend. We could also talk about the ethicality of removing such players, as they are still active but just not as active as other players who would contribute more.

I've been playing a lot of Palworld, they have wonderful solutions for underperformers. Perhaps Intrepid could take inspiration from there.

Tyranthraxus

Cadac wrote: »

I was hoping for a catapult ride over the wall banishment system, but have to settle for the heroes of the node going red. But we all know there is no reason to want to go red, but have to, maybe the unspoken part.

HOA, Home Owners Association, an often times regrettable real estate purchase.

Aye - When yours truly bought a condo?

One was $140/month+ HOA fee versus $185/month+.

Today, it's $230+/month, and yours truly wishes that he'd gone with the cheaper option, as they are still >$200/month, for the HOA.

I'm sure that the in-game options will be be more-affordable.

Def a more-affiable option to in-game renters, swapping residences.

Arya_Yeshe

Cadac wrote: »

I was hoping for a catapult ride over the wall banishment system

Catapulting people is my real life secret wish by the way,, not even joking

McShave

Diamaht wrote: »

I've been playing a lot of Palworld, they have wonderful solutions for underperformers. Perhaps Intrepid could take inspiration from there.

I haven't played that game, can you give some examples?

Aszkalon

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Catapulting people is my real life secret wish by the way,, not even joking

Watch the Video i linked from Second 29 onward if you haven't already. 😆 🤣

Jettatura

A taxpaying citizen automatically provides the bare minimum to be a citizen.
A taxpaying citizen will offer XP to your node or an allied node so long as they do work in the area. A taxpaying citizen who does not do work in the area while gaming is either socializing or out adventuring, and will automatically pay taxes to the node they live in regardless of where they live. There will be numerous citizens who will pay taxes and work for the node who live out of the tavern, and there will be some citizens with prime real estate who do nothing because they're set for life. You shouldn't want to kick out the ones who don't contribute as much, as they likely contribute something to the node, even if not in optimal XP gains.

Hypothetically, if I'm a citizen and I don't feel like working for your node or paying taxes for the policies you provide, I'm probably just going to move to a new node. *If you're the mayor and you have a node with do-nothing citizens, it's your job to make them want to work, isn't it? That's what policies are important for.

If you're trying to maximize XP gains, you ought to set policies and erect buildings that will convince citizens to maximize XP gains. If that is the only thing you're concerned about, you will allow citizens to migrate in and out until you reach a balance of players who support the goals of your node.

If the node's population refuses to budge with your sense of community direction, then you may have little say in the matter.

Arya_Yeshe

Aszkalon wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Catapulting people is my real life secret wish by the way,, not even joking

Watch the Video i linked from Second 29 onward if you haven't already. 😆 🤣

I watched now

there was a Japanese TV commedy show that flinged people by using a trebutchet it was ridiculous

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