Ashes of Creation Sub Reddit

I'm curious about how many fellow forum members also frequent the Ashes Subreddit. Lately, I've been exploring it, engaging with the community, and I must say, the level of negativity there has taken me by surprise. Understandably, it reaches a broader audience, but is this the audience we aim to attract?

It seems like there's a significant portion of users who never have anything positive to say. I hope Steven and the team take the comments on Reddit with a pinch of salt and largely ignore the negativity.

As a content creator, I'm also questioning the value of posting there. While I expect some disagreement with my videos, the habit of downvoting factual guides just for the sake of it feels incredibly immature. It leads me to believe this might be the gathering spot for anyone harboring an agenda against Ashes.

Apologies for venting, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current atmosphere on Reddit. Am I being too critical, or do you think my observations are accurate?

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TheDarkSorcerer

I honestly hope they don't even read what's on Reddit. It's just not the place for constructive feedback / respectful and mature conversation.

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ASHES OF CREATION FORUM USERS:

Azherae

ILLPeonU wrote: »

I'm curious about how many fellow forum members also frequent the Ashes Subreddit. Lately, I've been exploring it, engaging with the community, and I must say, the level of negativity there has taken me by surprise. Understandably, it reaches a broader audience, but is this the audience we aim to attract?

It seems like there's a significant portion of users who never have anything positive to say. I hope Steven and the team take the comments on Reddit with a pinch of salt and largely ignore the negativity.

As a content creator, I'm also questioning the value of posting there. While I expect some disagreement with my videos, the habit of downvoting factual guides just for the sake of it feels incredibly immature. It leads me to believe this might be the gathering spot for anyone harboring an agenda against Ashes.

Apologies for venting, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current atmosphere on Reddit. Am I being too critical, or do you think my observations are accurate?

Observations are generally accurate, that's the nature of the internet though.

Outrage and negativity prompts people to attempt to communicate or find validation for their perspective amongst others, contentment doesn't.

In a way, it's why you made this post. The difference between you and them is which side of the fence they're on (and probably that you care a bit more about facts).

For a cynical person, Ashes of Creation isn't really in a good place right now, so as Steven says, 'just wait, they'll come around'.

koltovince

The reddit is a weird place where if you don't posted what people want from Ashes they will downvote you to hell and your comment gets hidden. They dont even offer feedback on why they disagree like there in the forums, where there is valid conversations going on between disagreements explaining their positions.

I wouldn't go as far as saying those in the reddit are harboring an agenda against Ashes, but it is easier to go out of your way to trash talk a game on its reddit page than to make an account for the game and go to the forums to tash talk. Half probably aren't going to play the game anyway if not more.

TheHiddenDaggerInn

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

I honestly hope they don't even read what's on Reddit. It's just not the place for constructive feedback / respectful and mature conversation.

Couldn't agree more, I was warned by some CC friends, and they were absolutely right. While we all have topics we want to discuss due to our passion for AoC, nobody deserves to have to put up with that level of immaturity.

Ludullu

It's just classic reddit. You gotta dance a way harder routine there if you want to get positive responses. Reddit's general populace is even more jaded than some of us here, so when they see a CC for Ashes they just think "wtf are they doing making videos for a game that doesn't exist". But instead of just ignoring those videos, they downvote them and maybe leave a negative comment, because that's usually what reddit culture leads to.

It is possible to play the "reddit game" and win (majority of my comments there have positive values), but you gotta go out of your way to achieve that, which is definitely an absolutely pointless action currently.

TheHiddenDaggerInn

NiKr wrote: »

It's just classic reddit. You gotta dance a way harder routine there if you want to get positive responses. Reddit's general populace is even more jaded than some of us here, so when they see a CC for Ashes they just think "wtf are they doing making videos for a game that doesn't exist". But instead of just ignoring those videos, they downvote them and maybe leave a negative comment, because that's usually what reddit culture leads to.

It is possible to play the "reddit game" and win (majority of my comments there have positive values), but you gotta go out of your way to achieve that, which is definitely an absolutely pointless action currently.

Ya, maybe I'm going about it all wrong, I will try your advice possibly down the road, although I will wait before Alpha 2 to release before I post anything else there.

TheHiddenDaggerInn

Azherae wrote: »

ILLPeonU wrote: »

I'm curious about how many fellow forum members also frequent the Ashes Subreddit. Lately, I've been exploring it, engaging with the community, and I must say, the level of negativity there has taken me by surprise. Understandably, it reaches a broader audience, but is this the audience we aim to attract?

It seems like there's a significant portion of users who never have anything positive to say. I hope Steven and the team take the comments on Reddit with a pinch of salt and largely ignore the negativity.

As a content creator, I'm also questioning the value of posting there. While I expect some disagreement with my videos, the habit of downvoting factual guides just for the sake of it feels incredibly immature. It leads me to believe this might be the gathering spot for anyone harboring an agenda against Ashes.

Apologies for venting, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current atmosphere on Reddit. Am I being too critical, or do you think my observations are accurate?

Observations are generally accurate, that's the nature of the internet though.

Outrage and negativity prompts people to attempt to communicate or find validation for their perspective amongst others, contentment doesn't.

In a way, it's why you made this post. The difference between you and them is which side of the fence they're on (and probably that you care a bit more about facts).

For a cynical person, Ashes of Creation isn't really in a good place right now, so as Steven says, 'just wait, they'll come around'.

Ya I can see and understand your points, I guess I'm still getting used to the hostility that is on social media in todays world.

As mentioned above I think I'll focus on people who're more engaged, like you fine folk then wasting time their at the moment. Appreciate everyone's take.

Tahiti02

Just avoid it fully, its not helpful or a good place for discussion. If you want to see the biggest cestpool, go check out /r/mmorpg for any AOC topic; its so sad and pathetic.

Mag7spy

Reddit is for meme the more negative aspects people have the more amplified it becomes which tend to be higher in games. If there is less reason to meme you will get more useful information. Reddit will be a beter place to look once Alpha 2 comes out and people have a better view on how they see the game. Reddit user will be looking at Alpha 2 as if its a complete game, than some of them will be meming others are dumb since its an alpha.

You can't look at reddit as you do other forums and you need to let go of perceptions on what you think is right or normal.

Nerror

The Ashes subreddit have always hated when content creators post their videos there. I have seen a few exceptions, but overall, downvotes galore.

TheHiddenDaggerInn

Nerror wrote: »

The Ashes subreddit have always hated when content creators post their videos there. I have seen a few exceptions, but overall, downvotes galore.

It does appear so. Essentially, I don't get any tangible rewards for creating content or streaming, aside from the satisfaction of sharing my enthusiasm for the game with others interested in it. Just the thought that someone has taken the time to view my work feels like ample reward for the effort invested, making it all seem worthwhile.

I appreciate everyone's thoughts about this topic, at least I know I'm not alone on this.

Dygz

reddit gonna reddit

JamesSunderland

Reddit isn't considered a cesspit for nothing.

Songcaller

There's some truth at reddit though. The game and showcases aren't the best, don't look the best and don't promote the best. There are serious concerns considering A2 is 1 quarter away. The game looks fine zoomed out but zoom in and it looks tragic. On top of that, everything we see is from afar and never up close. The combat system is improved but still lacklustre. The animations look like a 2010 game and the movement is still lacking. The node upgrades are a black cloud which obscures everything from a distance and the toons still don't interact with the world in a convincing manner. Its like the parts have been made in isolation as I've stated before.

Nerror

Song_Warden wrote: »

There's some truth at reddit though. The game and showcases aren't the best, don't look the best and don't promote the best. There are serious concerns considering A2 is 1 quarter away. The game looks fine zoomed out but zoom in and it looks tragic. On top of that, everything we see is from afar and never up close. The combat system is improved but still lacklustre. The animations look like a 2010 game and the movement is still lacking. The node upgrades are a black cloud which obscures everything from a distance and the toons still don't interact with the world in a convincing manner. Its like the parts have been made in isolation as I've stated before.

I disagree with your takes on the state of the game here, but more importantly, it sounds like you expect alpha 2 to be close to release. It really isn't. Even IF the things you said are true, alpha 2 is where you start working on fixing those things. It's not where the game needs to have them fixed prior. I guess a lot of the redditors don't know what an actual alpha is.

TheHiddenDaggerInn

Nerror wrote: »

Song_Warden wrote: »

There's some truth at reddit though. The game and showcases aren't the best, don't look the best and don't promote the best. There are serious concerns considering A2 is 1 quarter away. The game looks fine zoomed out but zoom in and it looks tragic. On top of that, everything we see is from afar and never up close. The combat system is improved but still lacklustre. The animations look like a 2010 game and the movement is still lacking. The node upgrades are a black cloud which obscures everything from a distance and the toons still don't interact with the world in a convincing manner. Its like the parts have been made in isolation as I've stated before.

I disagree with your takes on the state of the game here, but more importantly, it sounds like you expect alpha 2 to be close to release. It really isn't. Even IF the things you said are true, alpha 2 is where you start working on fixing those things. It's not where the game needs to have them fixed prior. I guess a lot of the redditors don't know what an actual alpha is.

I believe many are confusing it with a early access, which even though yes technically will be persistent minus down time for patches and such. There is bound to be multiple wipes and nothing will remain before launch. We're here to test the game to prepare it for launch, help balance and find bugs. Make sure the core systems are working as intended.

Songcaller

Nerror wrote: »

Song_Warden wrote: »

There's some truth at reddit though. The game and showcases aren't the best, don't look the best and don't promote the best. There are serious concerns considering A2 is 1 quarter away. The game looks fine zoomed out but zoom in and it looks tragic. On top of that, everything we see is from afar and never up close. The combat system is improved but still lacklustre. The animations look like a 2010 game and the movement is still lacking. The node upgrades are a black cloud which obscures everything from a distance and the toons still don't interact with the world in a convincing manner. Its like the parts have been made in isolation as I've stated before.

I disagree with your takes on the state of the game here, but more importantly, it sounds like you expect alpha 2 to be close to release. It really isn't. Even IF the things you said are true, alpha 2 is where you start working on fixing those things. It's not where the game needs to have them fixed prior. I guess a lot of the redditors don't know what an actual alpha is.

Well, my paraphrasing was intentional. Its not that progress hasn't been made but its that so much progress is left to pursue. I understand what an alpha is and will play the a2 in whatever state its in.

Furthermore, the gimmicks are big and the substance is little. Each new update adds a new gimmick when the core substance remains untouched. The whole situation won't be remedied until I've got my hands on the project and can experience the systems for myself.

Aszkalon

ILLPeonU wrote: »

I'm curious about how many fellow forum members also frequent the Ashes Subreddit. Lately, I've been exploring it, engaging with the community, and I must say, the level of negativity there has taken me by surprise

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Sengarden

While I definitely agree that your feedback will differ depending on where you source it, and I also find Reddit to attract a wide range of individuals (with extremes on both sides of every spectrum) I do think it’s important for Intrepid to take feedback from multiple sources. This is the official forum for just this game. Naturally, people are going to be positive, willing to forgive things, and generally be more optimistic about the future of the game. Sometimes, to everyone’s detriment, including Intrepid.

For example, I’m a fantasy writer. When I need critique on a manuscript, am I going to ask a few of my friends for help? Maybe, sure. But I have to pay them in order to make sure they aren’t just being nice to me. We aren’t able to be those people for Intrepid. Those would be the professional QA testers, and even their teams might be full of people who couldn’t care less about Intrepid’s feelings or have any emotional investment in the game’s success.

Where else do I get my critique from? Random strangers who enjoy other fantasy books and have never met me before. In this way, even if I don’t pay them, I can be confident that they’ll be as honest as possible. Do I need to take their critique with a grain of salt and stay true to the writing style and messages in my story? Yes. But I would do the same for people who already know and like me.

The strangers for Intrepid are people on Reddit, people commenting on the official posts they make to their YouTube channel, large content creators and the commentary of their thousands/millions of followers whom they amassed because they all share common opinions on video games. This forum is a safe bubble for Intrepid to source feedback that’s largely tempered to be friendly, forgiving, and optimistic. Everywhere else is the real world, the people and communities that this game will also have to be at least somewhat successful with if they want it to have an expansive, growing community for years after release.

HybridSR

Reddit is literal cancer.

/r/MMORPG is literally MMO depression shaped into a subreddit and some of the same people usually post in the AoC sub. 95% of those people don't know what they want and they can't ever be pleased. Go and read one post about AoC and you'll know exactly what I mean.

I wish intrepid would just completely ignore Reddit.

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