PvE Players tell me why you follow Ashes of Creation

Doesn't matter if the first time you saw Ashes was in kickstarter, or just learned of the project 2 weeks ago.

As a PvE first player, what makes you look forward to PvE in AoC or what was the defining feature that you're looking forward to?

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Noaani

Depraved wrote: »

you cant just log in, queue everything then log off and come back next week.

What games are you referring to here?

I can't tell if this is just hyperbole or not. If it isn't I'd like to know the game so I can look in to it and get an understanding for how/why this is a thing. If it is just hyperbole, then I feel I should say that if you can't make your point without hyperbole, you can't make it with hyperbole either.

Using it in an argument essentially renders your argument null and void, as even the person making the argument can't make an argument for what they are arguing.

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

I like pvp more than pve, even though I enjoy pve, what makes you think pvpers don't care about the RPG elements? we deeply care about character development and progression, how we build our char, stat points,s kill points, etc. that's a core RPG element. you have to choice to build your character.

You may deeply care. And some others might as well.
I did not use the qualifier “all”. I also did not use the qualifier “most”.

Depraved wrote: »

if you are talking about roleplaying and acting as if the game was real life, changing your voice, speech, etc.(please specify) no, we don't care too much about that, unless you are an UO pvper I guess.

I’m talking about PvPers on the Ashes Forums claiming that PvP is what makes MMORPGs interesting. Some even claim that PvE is boring without PvP.

well, if I say dogs wiggle their tail, I didn't ay all or most, but its inferred. if you were talking about aoc pvpers in the forums, maybe specify? cant read ur mind T_T

Depraved

Noaani wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

you cant just log in, queue everything then log off and come back next week.

What games are you referring to here?

I can't tell if this is just hyperbole or not. If it isn't I'd like to know the game so I can look in to it and get an understanding for how/why this is a thing. If it is just hyperbole, then I feel I should say that if you can't make your point without hyperbole, you can't make it with hyperbole either.

Using it in an argument essentially renders your argument null and void, as even the person making the argument can't make an argument for what they are arguing.

not every game has instant crafting. lost ark is an example.and if I remember correctly, you could queue up some upgrades and stuff in skyforge (although that didn't really have an impact on other players).

as far as I know, processing wont be instant in aoc. you need to develop your stations, you need to spend time processing and also tending to said stations (overheated furnace, gather your crops, etc). maybe you wont be queuing up things in aoc, but imagine if everyone was a casual and you just let your crops there for a week without picking them up and restarting them, or don't refine things, etc.

Noaani

Depraved wrote: »

not every game has instant crafting. lost ark is an example.and if I remember correctly, you could queue up some upgrades and stuff in skyforge (although that didn't really have an impact on other players).

Could you log off though?

Also, a casual player is unlikely to leave crops for a full week - a day or two at most.

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

dygz, who produces more iron ingots, a guy playing 15 hours a day focused on his freehold production, or a guy playing 1 hour every 3 days. how is what I said a fallacy? the numbers were made up though.

Who produces more is irrelevant.
The fallacy is the argument - “what if everyone did that?”

I was making a point on why hardcore players are better for the game than casuals...

Dygz

Depraved wrote: »

I was making a point on why hardcore players are better for the game than casuals...

Yes. With fallacious logic.

Dygz

Depraved wrote: »

well, if I say dogs wiggle their tail, I didn't say all or most, but its inferred. if you were talking about aoc pvpers in the forums, maybe specify? cant read ur mind T_T

That is poor logic. All should not be inferred.
Also, I could actually pull some quotes from these Forums regarding whom I’m referring to.

You just made stuff up about “Casuals” that doesn’t come close to how Casuals actually play - especially not any Casuals in these Forums that I’m aware of.

Noaani

Depraved wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

dygz, who produces more iron ingots, a guy playing 15 hours a day focused on his freehold production, or a guy playing 1 hour every 3 days. how is what I said a fallacy? the numbers were made up though.

Who produces more is irrelevant.
The fallacy is the argument - “what if everyone did that?”

I was making a point on why hardcore players are better for the game than casuals...

As Dygz kind of said, as a general point, this is absolutely true. The arguments you are making to support/justify it are not.

Depraved

ok sure, lets go with that.

answer these 2 question please, both of you.

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

Azherae

Depraved wrote: »

ok sure, lets go with that.

answer these 2 question please, both of you.

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

You are truly the poster child for Reductio Ad Absurdum.

I prefer for a normal amount of people to spend a normal amount of time on Freeholds.

Maybe they should follow a Pareto Distribution?

Depraved

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

ok sure, lets go with that.

answer these 2 question please, both of you.

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

You are truly the poster child for Reductio Ad Absurdum.

I prefer for a normal amount of people to spend a normal amount of time on Freeholds.

Maybe they should follow a Pareto Distribution?

define normal amount?

also, remember that freehold are limited in numbers, so I'm not sure why you are saying normal amount of people. you cant have more freehold owners than you can have freehold...the normal amount is every fh has an owner?

but please answer the question. the reason I'm pursuing this is because someone said they prefer if casuals dominated the servers. I'm pointing out how that would be bad for everyone.

so as a hypothetical, just to test your logic:

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

edit: I know u were trying to be funny with the pareto distribution, but they shouldn't follow it, it will happen naturally 8D

Azherae

Depraved wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

ok sure, lets go with that.

answer these 2 question please, both of you.

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

You are truly the poster child for Reductio Ad Absurdum.

I prefer for a normal amount of people to spend a normal amount of time on Freeholds.

Maybe they should follow a Pareto Distribution?

define normal amount?

also, remember that freehold are limited in numbers, so I'm not sure why you are saying normal amount of people. you cant have more freehold owners than you can have freehold...the normal amount is every fh has an owner?

but please answer the question. the reason I'm pursuing this is because someone said they prefer if casuals dominated the servers. I'm pointing out how that would be bad for everyone.

so as a hypothetical, just to test your logic:

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

Your hypothetical is profoundly stupid.

20% of Freehold Owners will produce 80% of the gear, right?

But the other 80% are still contributing to the game in many ways.

So, I prefer that 80% of Freehold Owners are people who play 1-2 hours a week, or something.
If anyone has ever taught you that you can make a point by creating a whole new one to declare victory on, smack that person.

Depraved

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

ok sure, lets go with that.

answer these 2 question please, both of you.

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

You are truly the poster child for Reductio Ad Absurdum.

I prefer for a normal amount of people to spend a normal amount of time on Freeholds.

Maybe they should follow a Pareto Distribution?

define normal amount?

also, remember that freehold are limited in numbers, so I'm not sure why you are saying normal amount of people. you cant have more freehold owners than you can have freehold...the normal amount is every fh has an owner?

but please answer the question. the reason I'm pursuing this is because someone said they prefer if casuals dominated the servers. I'm pointing out how that would be bad for everyone.

so as a hypothetical, just to test your logic:

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

Your hypothetical is profoundly stupid.

20% of Freehold Owners will produce 80% of the gear, right?

But the other 80% are still contributing to the game in many ways.

So, I prefer that 80% of Freehold Owners are people who play 1-2 hours a week, or something.
If anyone has ever taught you that you can make a point by creating a whole new one to declare victory on, smack that person.

no no, see you arent getting it and you are calling my hypothetical stupid. at least get it right first.

100% of freehold owners will produce 100% of the best processed items in the game, including the best gear. remember that the best processing can only be done in freehold.

simple analogy. lets say nike factories (and every brand if you want) only make shoes 1 hour a day vs 9 hours a day. wouldn't it take longer for everyone to get shoes? so they will be walking barefoot meanwhile since they cant make shoes themselves.

also, I didn't mention it because I thought it was obvious, but my example doesn't stop at freehold. to answer what would other people who arent fh owners do, well they are casuals as well. gatherers will be casuals who play a couple of hours a week, crafting as well, actual crafting is just clicking but remember that you will need time, assumed in months, to max out your crafting, so who will max out crafting first, someone playing 1-2 hours a week, or someone who plays 10-15 hours a day?

so please answer my questions. at this point you guys are arguing that 2 + 2 is whatever you want and not 4.

edit: If you wanna look at the pareto distribution for fh owners you are looking at it incorrectly. 20% of the fh owners will produce 80% of the gear, sure. the other 80% will produce some gear. sure. that just reinforces what I'm trying to say. do you think that 20% is more casual than the rest?

even If they were all casuals, the less casuals are producing most of the gear..and even if they were all hardcore, the most hardcore are producing most of the gear. and before you mention it, sure you can find that one guy who only logs in, plays the market, then processes and logs off...outliers don't disprove generalities in this case.

Azherae

Depraved wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

ok sure, lets go with that.

answer these 2 question please, both of you.

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

You are truly the poster child for Reductio Ad Absurdum.

I prefer for a normal amount of people to spend a normal amount of time on Freeholds.

Maybe they should follow a Pareto Distribution?

define normal amount?

also, remember that freehold are limited in numbers, so I'm not sure why you are saying normal amount of people. you cant have more freehold owners than you can have freehold...the normal amount is every fh has an owner?

but please answer the question. the reason I'm pursuing this is because someone said they prefer if casuals dominated the servers. I'm pointing out how that would be bad for everyone.

so as a hypothetical, just to test your logic:

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

Your hypothetical is profoundly stupid.

20% of Freehold Owners will produce 80% of the gear, right?

But the other 80% are still contributing to the game in many ways.

So, I prefer that 80% of Freehold Owners are people who play 1-2 hours a week, or something.
If anyone has ever taught you that you can make a point by creating a whole new one to declare victory on, smack that person.

no no, see you arent getting it and you are calling my hypothetical stupid. at least get it right first.

100% of freehold owners will produce 100% of the best processed items in the game, including the best gear. remember that the best processing can only be done in freehold.

simple analogy. lets say nike factories (and every brand if you want) only make shoes 1 hour a day vs 9 hours a day. wouldn't it take longer for everyone to get shoes? so they will be walking barefoot meanwhile since they cant make shoes themselves.

also, I didn't mention it because I thought it was obvious, but my example doesn't stop at freehold. to answer what would other people who arent fh owners do, well they are casuals as well. gatherers will be casuals who play a couple of hours a week, crafting as well, actual crafting is just clicking but remember that you will need time, assumed in months, to max out your crafting, so who will max out crafting first, someone playing 1-2 hours a week, or someone who plays 10-15 hours a day?

so please answer my questions. at this point you guys are arguing that 2 + 2 is whatever you want and not 4.

No one cares.

It will just be tuned to whatever it needs to be. If it were me, I'd absolutely NOT want a design where everything is run by 'no-lifers' churning out product for the masses.

You literally just went 'more is better' and decided to plant your flag on that hill.

More isn't automatically better. A game doesn't need nor want to consist of only 'the best, and people trying to be the best' and content in that game shouldn't be built entirely around 'ok, everyone who doesn't care about being the best can exit stage left'.

The 9 hour factory produces more shoes. More 9 hour factories make more shoes.

The question is how many people buy shoes.

Dygz

Depraved wrote: »

answer these 2 question please, both of you.

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

1-2 hours per week. Because that is healthier.
But, it's another absurd (and meaningless) hypothetical.

Dygz

Azherae wrote: »

The question is how many people buy shoes.

Would you rather everyone buy shoes or everyone make shoes?

Azherae

Dygz wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

answer these 2 question please, both of you.

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

1-2 hours per week. Because that is healthier.
But, it's another absurd (and meaningless) hypothetical.

Y'know what, sure, I'll go with this.

If my only choices are '1-2h a week, or 10-15h a day', I choose 1-2h a week.

Depraved

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

ok sure, lets go with that.

answer these 2 question please, both of you.

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

You are truly the poster child for Reductio Ad Absurdum.

I prefer for a normal amount of people to spend a normal amount of time on Freeholds.

Maybe they should follow a Pareto Distribution?

define normal amount?

also, remember that freehold are limited in numbers, so I'm not sure why you are saying normal amount of people. you cant have more freehold owners than you can have freehold...the normal amount is every fh has an owner?

but please answer the question. the reason I'm pursuing this is because someone said they prefer if casuals dominated the servers. I'm pointing out how that would be bad for everyone.

so as a hypothetical, just to test your logic:

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

how can people gear up faster and do more content (since you need the gear for it) by having freehold owners who play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

Your hypothetical is profoundly stupid.

20% of Freehold Owners will produce 80% of the gear, right?

But the other 80% are still contributing to the game in many ways.

So, I prefer that 80% of Freehold Owners are people who play 1-2 hours a week, or something.
If anyone has ever taught you that you can make a point by creating a whole new one to declare victory on, smack that person.

no no, see you arent getting it and you are calling my hypothetical stupid. at least get it right first.

100% of freehold owners will produce 100% of the best processed items in the game, including the best gear. remember that the best processing can only be done in freehold.

simple analogy. lets say nike factories (and every brand if you want) only make shoes 1 hour a day vs 9 hours a day. wouldn't it take longer for everyone to get shoes? so they will be walking barefoot meanwhile since they cant make shoes themselves.

also, I didn't mention it because I thought it was obvious, but my example doesn't stop at freehold. to answer what would other people who arent fh owners do, well they are casuals as well. gatherers will be casuals who play a couple of hours a week, crafting as well, actual crafting is just clicking but remember that you will need time, assumed in months, to max out your crafting, so who will max out crafting first, someone playing 1-2 hours a week, or someone who plays 10-15 hours a day?

so please answer my questions. at this point you guys are arguing that 2 + 2 is whatever you want and not 4.

No one cares.

It will just be tuned to whatever it needs to be. If it were me, I'd absolutely NOT want a design where everything is run by 'no-lifers' churning out product for the masses.

You literally just went 'more is better' and decided to plant your flag on that hill.

More isn't automatically better. A game doesn't need nor want to consist of only 'the best, and people trying to be the best' and content in that game shouldn't be built entirely around 'ok, everyone who doesn't care about being the best can exit stage left'.

The 9 hour factory produces more shoes. More 9 hour factories make more shoes.

The question is how many people buy shoes.

rea dmy edit. i didn't say the game needs to be designed that way. I'm just saying it would be more beneficial if players produced more. that's separate from personal enjoyment. I'm not saying a casual cant enjoy the game. and its your personal preference not to have a game in this way or that way. but this isn't a solo mmorpg, its a game that requires people to cooperate with each other.

also, the communist in you can be heard right now:

If it were me, I'd absolutely NOT want a design where everything is run by 'no-lifers' churning out product for the masses.

first, there isn't a reason why this would be a bad thing. second, you fail to realize that always a small percentage of producers will produce most of the goods. even if all 100% the players were casuals, some of those casuals will focus more on production than other things, which means they will turn into the "evil elite capitalist overlords" you hate so much since they will be producing most of the things for the masses. its kind of obvious...

and btw, don't you think the fh design is made that way? literally a small percentage of players will be the only ones producing for EVERYOBODY, as opposed to gathering or crafting where you can just make an alt and get it to max tier profession. and I'm not even so sure about crafting, since crafting will be tied to your citizenship (one per account) and the crafting stations available on that node.

anyways, even if you ran naked in verra you can still enjoy the game in your own way. but what about people who wanna clear content, for example. it seems that pvers mostly just care about clearing all content, even if they could get the items they need ina different way. they prioritize clearing the content over acquiring the item from someone else, hence why they cry so much when they are "blocked" from doing something by the pvpers, even though they could get the same item in different ways.

so for these type of players, don't you think having gear is necessary to clear the content they want to clear so much? if they cant have the gear, what are they going to do?they will quickly run out of things to do...so wouldn't it be beneficial if you had more dedicated players gearing up everyone at a decent pace?

whats wrong with people playing 10 hours a day (assuming they don't need to irl, or play at work or whatever) for the game. why do you hate hardcore players so much? only reason I've heard from people here is feelings, basically a "I don't like it because I simply don't, its yucky". no real reason to hate on hardcore players. i don't see hardcore players hating on casuals. funny how things are.

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

answer these 2 question please, both of you.

what do you prefer, every freehold owner to play 1-2 hours a week, or 10-15 hours a day?

1-2 hours per week. Because that is healthier.
But, it's another absurd (and meaningless) hypothetical.

dygs you literally play 8 + hours a day...the hypocrisy.
I'm not asking for whats healthier for a normal life in real. I'm asking for the game itself and people who play it. obviously if you are playing 15 hours a day you arent doing other things with your life, but maybe you don't even need to as your life is already set up. maybe you are retired, maybe you are rich, maybe you even play at work...that's irrelevant, I'm asking for the game itself.

keep arguing 2 + 2 isn't 4.

Azherae

I feel like whatever you just made up that I believe, you win.

I yield to [insert thing you think I believe which you find silly].

Answer given tho.

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