Any thoughts on a diffent combat style?

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any thoughts in having a combat system similar to new world ?

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Apok wrote: »

as many problems as NW had it's combat was amazing, I would definitely like to see them use it.

most people want to jump on the hate train, but I think anyone whose actually tried pvp in that game would love it

I actually enjoyed the New World combat system as well, very fun.

The debate on this topic for Ashes was about a year ago when they were deciding which direction to go. They decided with a mixed system of mostly tab/lock target with some directional abilities. There is probably a pros/cons matrix somewhere that shows why they went in this direction. Doubt it will change now as the game has been designed around it for over a year.

It may just be that the tab target caters to a larger community of players than the quick reflex skill shot type players. Shrug.

Aszkalon

A1exavier wrote: »

Any thoughts on a diffent combat style?

Just accept that we will get pwned anyway.

Kidding.

I think before we arrogate ourselves to even SUGGEST that Ashes of Creation should have different Combat Styles, we should first observe and let the One unfold that is being created and improved since Years.

When we are unsatisfied sometime in a Future far, far away,

we can still complain then if we are not satisfied with the Results.

Dygz

Apok wrote: »

the combat is more real time then it is dice rolls

Classic MMO gameplay would evade or use a shield based on math, in NW you hold to block which drains stamina. If stamina runs out and you're still blocking you get stunned. Evading also consumes stamina as well. if you fully run out of stamina you also get an exhaust status which makes it so you can't evade again until the bar is fully recharged

Because NW is not an RPG.
Dice Rolls/RNG is a fundamental component of RPGs.
Character skill should be more important than player skill.

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

Apok wrote: »

the combat is more real time then it is dice rolls

Classic MMO gameplay would evade or use a shield based on math, in NW you hold to block which drains stamina. If stamina runs out and you're still blocking you get stunned. Evading also consumes stamina as well. if you fully run out of stamina you also get an exhaust status which makes it so you can't evade again until the bar is fully recharged

Because NW is not an RPG.
Dice Rolls/RNG is a fundamental component of RPGs.
Character skill should be more important than player skill.

nw is an RPG. lots of game use invisible dice rolls. that's not a fundamental component of an RPG. that's like saying in platformers, players should be able to pick up a flower and then gain the ability to shoot fireballs (Mario 1 reference). that's not a fundamental component of platformers.

rpg use dice rolls in real life because its easier for humans to get random numbers that way. you could as well use a roulette or coin flips or even cards and there is no difference. they just serve as a replacement for computer generated "random" numbers (they are really pesudo random numbers, but doesn't matter much).

i agree that in an RPG the character skill is more important than the player skill...however remember that the player controls the character. even if your character was the smartest being alive, the player isn't and can make mistakes, for example, when using actions during combat. action RPG are another branch of RPG, but that doesn't make them any less RPG. the turn system is not what makes an RPG an rpg.

George_Black

nw sucks.
| liked Tera Online.

Depraved

i liked nw combat, except for the stupid light armor rolls...it was better when light armors were one shotted by range ;3

Mag7spy

Prob not going to get a actual reply from OP. So ill just say nw combat was one of the worse in any mmorpg. Lacked any deal kind of depth both in RPG and in Action combat.

As far as new world went was advanced survival style combat.

Dygz

Depraved wrote: »

nw is an RPG. lots of game use invisible dice rolls. that's not a fundamental component of an RPG. that's like saying in platformers, players should be able to pick up a flower and then gain the ability to shoot fireballs (Mario 1 reference). that's not a fundamental component of platformers.

New World is not an RPG. It's not even promoted as an RPG. Because it's not designed to be an RPG.
New World was designed to be an MMO PvP game with some Survival Game elements - especially the Crafting design.
After the execs decided there should be a reduced emphasis on PvP and more PvE should be added, the devs tacked on some RPG elements. But those RPG elements were not intended to fundamentally change the combat design with regard to RNG.

Also, I did not say that only RPGs rely on dice-rolls/RNG.

Depraved wrote: »

the turn system is not what makes an RPG an rpg.

We agree.

Dygz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY6HW-tcVG8&t=2932s
mark 49:21

Apok

Dygz wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

nw is an RPG. lots of game use invisible dice rolls. that's not a fundamental component of an RPG. that's like saying in platformers, players should be able to pick up a flower and then gain the ability to shoot fireballs (Mario 1 reference). that's not a fundamental component of platformers.

New World is not an RPG. It's not even promoted as an RPG. Because it's not designed to be an RPG.
New World was designed to be an MMO PvP game with some Survival Game elements - especially the Crafting design.
After the execs decided there should be a reduced emphasis on PvP and more PvE should be added, the devs tacked on some RPG elements. But those RPG elements were not intended to fundamentally change the combat design with regard to RNG.

Also, I did not say that only RPGs rely on dice-rolls/RNG.

Depraved wrote: »

the turn system is not what makes an RPG an rpg.

We agree.

they listed it on steam as both an RPG and MMORPG, it uses traditional RPG elements like leveling, dungeons, crafting and raids for gear. the only thing new world does differently is the active combat. hand eye coordination will win or loose a fight where is most games it's just spamming what's on your hotbar or pulling off your combo before the other guy does

Aszkalon

I don't see where the Problem is. Wasn't it explained during the Fighter Presentation that they aim to "mix" Action-Combat with completely free Movement -> with locking onto your Target ? So that Players have more or less secured Aim but also some Freedom to move however they like ? 🤔

SarahCo

A1exavier wrote: »

any thoughts in having a combat system similar to new world ?

New World combat was widely disliked and monotonous, and we should not base anything off a game that has closed its doors within a couple years of launching. Sorry that's my opinion.

Apok

SarahCo wrote: »

A1exavier wrote: »

any thoughts in having a combat system similar to new world ?

New World combat was widely disliked and monotonous, and we should not base anything off a game that has closed its doors within a couple years of launching. Sorry that's my opinion.

I keep seeing people with these "youtuber" opinions, what's your opinion, not what you think everyone else's opinion is

Mag7spy

Apok wrote: »

SarahCo wrote: »

A1exavier wrote: »

any thoughts in having a combat system similar to new world ?

New World combat was widely disliked and monotonous, and we should not base anything off a game that has closed its doors within a couple years of launching. Sorry that's my opinion.

I keep seeing people with these "youtuber" opinions, what's your opinion, not what you think everyone else's opinion is

NW combat was Dog and terrible. This is the general thought of most people that played the game.

You can see its like night and day compared to BDO which is also a much older game with action combat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw2NbmJkJgI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abJRdd0hoWQ

Apok

no I have to disagree if BDO is so good why is the gameplay speed turned up and dubbed over with hype music. BDO is fan service, bouncing tits and flashy animations

Mag7spy

Apok wrote: »

no I have to disagree if BDO is so good why is the gameplay speed turned up and dubbed over with hype music. BDO is fan service, bouncing tits and flashy animations

Imagine your points trying to be some ones montage and how they do it i attempt to discredit the actual point lol. If you think im referencing speed = good you are hugely mistaken. I guess its hard to know the depth of the game without playing it but it should be pretty clear with the movements, looks of the animation, interesting looking attacks, etc.

Im guessing you are one of those Steller blade haters, you want your females using a male body to save dev time lol. Some people out there like their females looking like... a female you know.

What i kind really weird is you are officially trying o die on a hill of new world combat. That any competitive player like me in NW knew that did all the pvp and owned the good territories knew the combat was one of the worse in any mmorpg. I prefer action originated and id rather have played TAb anything over nw tbh.

Apok

you can call me a male feminist all you want but I don't think visual bs like that adds any real depth to a game, if you watch the NW video the guy was doing 1 on 1 fights showing himself dodging and taking people out. keep in mind the bow fires actual projectiles and works how it would in a shooter. he didn't pump up his stats and mash hotkeys and let the game do the work for him he had to actually dodge and aim at his target.

Mag7spy

Apok wrote: »

you can call me a male feminist all you want but I don't think visual bs like that adds any real depth to a game, if you watch the NW video the guy was doing 1 on 1 fights showing himself dodging and taking people out. keep in mind the bow fires actual projectiles and works how it would in a shooter. he didn't pump up his stats and mash hotkeys and let the game do the work for him he had to actually dodge and aim at his target.

Sounds like you have never played BDO before.

Mag7spy

Apok wrote: »

you can call me a male feminist all you want but I don't think visual bs like that adds any real depth to a game, if you watch the NW video the guy was doing 1 on 1 fights showing himself dodging and taking people out. keep in mind the bow fires actual projectiles and works how it would in a shooter. he didn't pump up his stats and mash hotkeys and let the game do the work for him he had to actually dodge and aim at his target.

Again NW is trash. BDO u dodge, iframe, super armour, Block all attacks. And your skills are actually interesting and you have a lot more of them than like mashing left click on your mouse and a few skills lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjoT1JQJfc

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