Rogue stealth/invisibility. How would you design it?

Basically the title. I hear alot of mmo players aren't too fond of true invisibility/stealth. Thoughts?

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Fully invisible down to around mid thighs, fading in to about 50% at feet.

Assuming people don't want full stealth.

In my experience the 'distortion' type stealth doesn't work well enough because of how human vision works, but hiding the upper body changes the shape of the thing the mind is reacting to, which seems to have some effect.

Ludullu

I'm used to full stealth that's broken by aoes. So I'd go for that, because I liked what kind of situations that led to.

Githal

Well for me - full invisible should be only for few seconds (like 10 max),
And the permanent should be visible when close

CROW3

I’m good with WoW stealth / camouflage.

The only change I would make is to force specification into stealth to make it harder to detect (e.g. full invis). Low spec stealth would be much easier to see and shoot.

arsnn

Full invis until like 3-4 meters.
Makes it a cat and mouse game.

->Rogue has to keep his distance if he wants to remain uncovered.
->Opponents have move around in unexpected patterns or use mobility to uncover the rogue.

Maybe even add an indicator for the 3-7 meters range, that tells the opponent a rogue is close by.

Settite

Azherae wrote: »

Fully invisible down to around mid thighs, fading in to about 50% at feet.

Assuming people don't want full stealth.

In my experience the 'distortion' type stealth doesn't work well enough because of how human vision works, but hiding the upper body changes the shape of the thing the mind is reacting to, which seems to have some effect.

That sounds interesting. Do any games currently implement it in this way? I'd imagine it'd work well in places with more ground clutter but less so in a desert.

NiKr wrote: »

I'm used to full stealth that's broken by aoes. So I'd go for that, because I liked what kind of situations that led to.

I agree in this regard. I come from eso primarily and I personally didn't have any complaints with it.

CROW3 wrote: »

I’m good with WoW stealth / camouflage.

The only change I would make is to force specification into stealth to make it harder to detect (e.g. full invis). Low spec stealth would be much easier to see and shoot.

I'd like the ability to hard spec into invis. Obviously you'd take losses in other aspects to make it fair.

Arya_Yeshe

For a skill tree in this area, begin with the most basic skill: fading at night and walk, much later on progress to stealth jogging during the day. Within a range of 10 feet, would give a 3-second timer for the rogue to either step away or engage; failure to do so will automatically uncloak them

Individuated Soul

Full stealth. Perception levels vs stealth levels = undetected range just like in WoW Classic. Idk about vision cone interaction. Probably the part that would need testing.

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Diamaht

Settite wrote: »

Basically the title. I hear alot of mmo players aren't too fond of true invisibility/stealth. Thoughts?

Im ready for a game without full invisibility. I actually like the distortion mechanic Intrepid is using and look forward to testing it.

Its a refreshing change from total invisibility. Classes using this kind of distortion have to still be concerned about detection, as they should be.

Dygz

Full Invisibility with high Dex vs high Perception.

Otr

Dygz wrote: »

Full Invisibility with high Dex vs high Perception.

Should mobs have high perception?

Otr

I would prefer full invisibility during night when moon is covered by clouds, away from light sources, while not moving or moving slowly.
I would prefer also ability to change weather, cast fog, darkness...
And to have illusion spells and clones.

Settite

Diamaht wrote: »

Settite wrote: »

Basically the title. I hear alot of mmo players aren't too fond of true invisibility/stealth. Thoughts?

Im ready for a game without full invisibility. I actually like the distortion mechanic Intrepid is using and look forward to testing it.

Its a refreshing change from total invisibility. Classes using this kind of distortion have to still be concerned about detection, as they should be.

My issue with distortion is once the game has been out for a bit it will no longer be difficult to notice. I believe the average player would get use to it very quickly. I believe distortion is fine for the ranger but personally I think full invisibility should live within the rogue.

Dygz

Otr wrote: »

Should mobs have high perception?

Some mobs should have high Perception, of course.

Voeltz

Stealth like Elites have in Halo and a few abilities that can pull targets into the shadow realm like mordekaiser's ultimate in LoL. There was another character in Bloodline Champions called Stalker that had a similar functioning ability.

Settite

Voeltz wrote: »

Stealth like Elites have in Halo and a few abilities that can pull targets into the shadow realm like mordekaiser's ultimate in LoL. There was another character in Bloodline Champions called Stalker that had a similar functioning ability.

Man something like mordekaiser's ult would be fantastic. Hopefully we end up having ultimates in ashes.

Diamaht

Settite wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

Settite wrote: »

Basically the title. I hear alot of mmo players aren't too fond of true invisibility/stealth. Thoughts?

Im ready for a game without full invisibility. I actually like the distortion mechanic Intrepid is using and look forward to testing it.

Its a refreshing change from total invisibility. Classes using this kind of distortion have to still be concerned about detection, as they should be.

My issue with distortion is once the game has been out for a bit it will no longer be difficult to notice. I believe the average player would get use to it very quickly. I believe distortion is fine for the ranger but personally I think full invisibility should live within the rogue.

I suppose the problem is with players moving around freely with no possible way to detect.

If movement created distortion, that would probably be fine

Songcaller

I'd rather not have full stealth in a risk vs reward system. Partial stealth/camouflage is acceptable but full stealth would allow to much freedom of movement with decreased risk.

Arya_Yeshe

Otr wrote: »

I would prefer full invisibility during night when moon is covered by clouds, away from light sources, while not moving or moving slowly.
I would prefer also ability to change weather, cast fog, darkness...
And to have illusion spells and clones.

overall i agree

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