Community and Developer Concerns

Louder community members lacks imagination and creativity and I fear that the communities influence will stamp out the fire of this ambitious project. That the more obnoxious community members will create a glass ceiling. I wanted to talk about this now to prevent that from happening.

Let's be real. Not everyone is creative, but everyone here wants to enjoy the Fantasy genre.

1. How many of you are Artists? Hairstylists, Graphic Designers, Painters, Musicians, Martial Artists, Digital Artists, Dancers, Chefs, Crafters, etc..? Most likely, little to none of you.

2. And If you're not in a creative field, what are the odds that your level of creativity exceeds the relative standard or even reaches a decent standard? Perhaps more than one would think, perhaps very few.

I'm concerned, almost fearful, that the community will ruin the game with their lack of vision. I made a post a few weeks ago about Fighters being Vampires and the reception was.. scary. I suggested that instead of the copy paste warrior archetype we've seen again and again and again where the Fighter/Warrior is perceived as a brute... as a Viking, as a berserker, as a moron charging into combat with his eyes crossed hoping not to get targeted down to the dirt.. that instead we could get a true blade master. A blade master who studied the blade, wielding edged weapons, and knows how to side step, dodge, parry, or block. A blade master that could slice through a magic missile cutting it in two to avoid the magic damage. A blade master who's capable of parrying and swiping away an arrow. When I brought these ideas up in conversation it was quickly placed into a conceptual box. That's the problem. Creativity comes from thinking outside the box. Most community members have a box where they place their understandings of an MMORPG in to it. Any creative class ideas are filed into a folder and then placed in that box. That conceptual box was "a tank". Clearly he( i ) must be wanting a tank with everything mentioned above, right? no. That's the problem.

The fighter could have been more or could still be a blade master. The amount of side stepping, the amount of parrying, the amount of blocking, the amount of cutting through a magic missile is what differentiates a swordsman/blademaster from a tank. Instead of healing through blood magics like a vampire with the ability "Blood Fusion", make the fighter a swordsman with an ability like "Adrenaline" i]The fighter enters a state of focus and hones in on the target, mitigating incoming damage for the next few seconds[/i or "Side Step" i]The fighter dodges the next incoming attack[/i or "Parry" i]The fighter swings his/her blade parrying the next incoming attack[/i(here is where the animation could change based on the attack being parried. slicing through a magic missile, swinging the elbow and wrist to quickly swap an arrow away, etc..)

This entire post, again, is to prevent something that could happen. There is potential that the development team listens to the unimaginative masses whom speak louder or shout frequently, whom thinks they know what makes good fantasy or fantasy game without having ever contributed to something creative.

My thanks to the entire development team. The writers, the artists, the digital artists, etc.. I appreciate you all for attempting to revitalize and innovate the Fantasy genre. If anyone can do it, it is your all.

Lastly, I understand people don't like having a mirror put up to their face so please direct your hate in the comment section below. If you want to attack my creativity, know that my career is in a creative and social field and I've been drawing, painting, dancing, playing music, and have practiced martial arts for more than half of my life. I am 33 years old. So get creative.

- Ocean

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daveywavey

Woop!

I'm a musician, a martial artist, and a writer!

My feedback is allowed!!!

Noaani

OceanSunwind wrote: »

I'm concerned, almost fearful, that the community will ruin the game with their lack of vision.

What the fuck are you talking about?

The community is not supposed to be coming up with the vision for the game - that is literally Stevens job.

If he is looking to us, the game is doomed regardless of who is the loudest.

OceanSunwind

Aszkalon wrote: »

I am concerned that People concern themselves to much about the Concerns of concerned People who may happen to not be the Developers. (lol)

While it is okay to be concerned for the Games Development, People should "pretty-Please" leave the Concerns to the Developers concerned and not concern themselves with what only the Developers concerned should concern themselves with.

Am i understood ? Or are my concerns overheard ? Please don't force me to concern myself anymore than i already did. This is very concerning otherwise.

patrick68794 wrote: »

OceanSunwind wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Damn, you're still THAT butthurt about people disagreeing with you, huh. A shame.

Also, this is peak Dunning-Kruger

You could perceive my words as pretentious. The only thing that matters is the right people reading the message, not you.

I can promise you that nobody at Intrepid is taking anything you say on this topic seriously lol if you have any real feedback then they'll read that and judge it as they see fit. Based on this post, and your responses to people in here so far, I wouldn't put much stock into you actually having any really useful or "creative" feedback to provide though.

"i promise that people i have never met before are not taking you seriously because I don't think your feedback has value" yawwwnnnn

OceanSunwind

Sauronplay wrote: »

I think that the developers try to adapt the ideas from the players' comments to the vision and concept that Steven has of his own game, and mostly those ideas come from middle-aged players, which are not bad ideas but they are not revolutionary. as intrepid requires. And it is likely that the release year of this game is outdated and aimed mostly at middle-aged customers.

So good ideas go unnoticed or not taken seriously. I have read very good ideas in the comments, but the developers have not yet managed to adapt those ideas into the game or it could be wrong and they are developing it right now.

hmm, well said. Hadn't thought of it from that perspective. You're probably right if not, just right. What a shame. I'll keep my expectations lower then.

OceanSunwind

Dygz wrote: »

OceanSunwind wrote: »

Louder community members lacks imagination and creativity and I fear that the communities influence will stamp out the fire of this ambitious project. That the more obnoxious community members will create a glass ceiling. I wanted to talk about this now to prevent that from happening.

Let's be real. Not everyone is creative, but everyone here wants to enjoy the Fantasy genre.

1. How many of you are Artists? Hairstylists, Graphic Designers, Painters, Musicians, Martial Artists, Digital Artists, Dancers, Chefs, Crafters, etc..? Most likely, little to none of you.

2. And If you're not in a creative field, what are the odds that your level of creativity exceeds the relative standard or even reaches a decent standard? Perhaps more than one would think, perhaps very few.

I'm concerned, almost fearful, that the community will ruin the game with their lack of vision. I made a post a few weeks ago about Fighters being Vampires and the reception was.. scary. I suggested that instead of the copy paste warrior archetype we've seen again and again and again where the Fighter/Warrior is perceived as a brute... as a Viking, as a berserker, as a moron charging into combat with his eyes crossed hoping not to get targeted down to the dirt.. that instead we could get a true blade master. A blade master who studied the blade, wielding edged weapons, and knows how to side step, dodge, parry, or block. A blade master that could slice through a magic missile cutting it in two to avoid the magic damage. A blade master who's capable of parrying and swiping away an arrow. When I brought these ideas up in conversation it was quickly placed into a conceptual box. That's the problem. Creativity comes from thinking outside the box. Most community members have a box where they place their understandings of an MMORPG in to it. Any creative class ideas are filed into a folder and then placed in that box. That conceptual box was "a tank". Clearly he( i ) must be wanting a tank with everything mentioned above, right? no. That's the problem.

The fighter could have been more or could still be a blade master. The amount of side stepping, the amount of parrying, the amount of blocking, the amount of cutting through a magic missile is what differentiates a swordsman/blademaster from a tank. Instead of healing through blood magics like a vampire with the ability "Blood Fusion", make the fighter a swordsman with an ability like "Adrenaline" i]The fighter enters a state of focus and hones in on the target, mitigating incoming damage for the next few seconds[/i or "Side Step" i]The fighter dodges the next incoming attack[/i or "Parry" i]The fighter swings his/her blade parrying the next incoming attack[/i(here is where the animation could change based on the attack being parried. slicing through a magic missile, swinging the elbow and wrist to quickly swap an arrow away, etc..)

This entire post, again, is to prevent something that could happen. There is potential that the development team listens to the unimaginative masses whom speak louder or shout frequently, whom thinks they know what makes good fantasy or fantasy game without having ever contributed to something creative.

My thanks to the entire development team. The writers, the artists, the digital artists, etc.. I appreciate you all for attempting to revitalize and innovate the Fantasy genre. If anyone can do it, it is your all.

Lastly, I understand people don't like having a mirror put up to their face so please direct your hate in the comment section below. If you want to attack my creativity, know that my career is in a creative and social field and I've been drawing, painting, dancing, playing music, and have practiced martial arts for more than half of my life. I am 33 years old. So get creative.

- Ocean

I'm an Actor/Singer/Dancer.

Basically, what you described for the Fighter does not sound like an MMORPG.

The whole point of Magic Missle is that it's an automatic hit, so I don't see how a Blade Master slices through that without some kind of "supernatural" anti-magic ability.

Augments should give players many different styles of Fighter. Weapon choice should also give us many different styles of Fighter.

I dunno how you can complain about not thinking outside of the box and also complain that Blood Fusion is not an appropriate Active Skill for a Fighter. Seems highly creative, to me, that Ren'Kai would create that type of Fighter Skill and teach it to other Fighters.
If you don't like the Blood motif, there will be Augments and Cosmetics that allow you to change the Blood theme to some other theme.

Ashes has Hybrid Combat, so if you wish your Fighter to focus on the Active Combat skills, rather than the Tab Target skills, you will have that option.

Mr. Pot...
I think you are the one who does not like to be faced with mirrors.

quite the opposite, i love it. i'm challenging you all to prove me wrong and change my mind. My mind still hasn't been changed because you just proved my point by pulling out ideas from the box and not outside it. your claims of their being augments and cosmetics that allow the player to change the blood vampiric fighter theme is baseless.

Diamaht

OceanSunwind wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

OceanSunwind wrote: »

Louder community members lacks imagination and creativity and I fear that the communities influence will stamp out the fire of this ambitious project. That the more obnoxious community members will create a glass ceiling. I wanted to talk about this now to prevent that from happening.

Let's be real. Not everyone is creative, but everyone here wants to enjoy the Fantasy genre.

1. How many of you are Artists? Hairstylists, Graphic Designers, Painters, Musicians, Martial Artists, Digital Artists, Dancers, Chefs, Crafters, etc..? Most likely, little to none of you.

2. And If you're not in a creative field, what are the odds that your level of creativity exceeds the relative standard or even reaches a decent standard? Perhaps more than one would think, perhaps very few.

I'm concerned, almost fearful, that the community will ruin the game with their lack of vision. I made a post a few weeks ago about Fighters being Vampires and the reception was.. scary. I suggested that instead of the copy paste warrior archetype we've seen again and again and again where the Fighter/Warrior is perceived as a brute... as a Viking, as a berserker, as a moron charging into combat with his eyes crossed hoping not to get targeted down to the dirt.. that instead we could get a true blade master. A blade master who studied the blade, wielding edged weapons, and knows how to side step, dodge, parry, or block. A blade master that could slice through a magic missile cutting it in two to avoid the magic damage. A blade master who's capable of parrying and swiping away an arrow. When I brought these ideas up in conversation it was quickly placed into a conceptual box. That's the problem. Creativity comes from thinking outside the box. Most community members have a box where they place their understandings of an MMORPG in to it. Any creative class ideas are filed into a folder and then placed in that box. That conceptual box was "a tank". Clearly he( i ) must be wanting a tank with everything mentioned above, right? no. That's the problem.

The fighter could have been more or could still be a blade master. The amount of side stepping, the amount of parrying, the amount of blocking, the amount of cutting through a magic missile is what differentiates a swordsman/blademaster from a tank. Instead of healing through blood magics like a vampire with the ability "Blood Fusion", make the fighter a swordsman with an ability like "Adrenaline" i]The fighter enters a state of focus and hones in on the target, mitigating incoming damage for the next few seconds[/i or "Side Step" i]The fighter dodges the next incoming attack[/i or "Parry" i]The fighter swings his/her blade parrying the next incoming attack[/i(here is where the animation could change based on the attack being parried. slicing through a magic missile, swinging the elbow and wrist to quickly swap an arrow away, etc..)

This entire post, again, is to prevent something that could happen. There is potential that the development team listens to the unimaginative masses whom speak louder or shout frequently, whom thinks they know what makes good fantasy or fantasy game without having ever contributed to something creative.

My thanks to the entire development team. The writers, the artists, the digital artists, etc.. I appreciate you all for attempting to revitalize and innovate the Fantasy genre. If anyone can do it, it is your all.

Lastly, I understand people don't like having a mirror put up to their face so please direct your hate in the comment section below. If you want to attack my creativity, know that my career is in a creative and social field and I've been drawing, painting, dancing, playing music, and have practiced martial arts for more than half of my life. I am 33 years old. So get creative.

- Ocean

I'm an Actor/Singer/Dancer.

Basically, what you described for the Fighter does not sound like an MMORPG.

The whole point of Magic Missle is that it's an automatic hit, so I don't see how a Blade Master slices through that without some kind of "supernatural" anti-magic ability.

Augments should give players many different styles of Fighter. Weapon choice should also give us many different styles of Fighter.

I dunno how you can complain about not thinking outside of the box and also complain that Blood Fusion is not an appropriate Active Skill for a Fighter. Seems highly creative, to me, that Ren'Kai would create that type of Fighter Skill and teach it to other Fighters.
If you don't like the Blood motif, there will be Augments and Cosmetics that allow you to change the Blood theme to some other theme.

Ashes has Hybrid Combat, so if you wish your Fighter to focus on the Active Combat skills, rather than the Tab Target skills, you will have that option.

Mr. Pot...
I think you are the one who does not like to be faced with mirrors.

quite the opposite, i love it. i'm challenging you all to prove me wrong and change my mind. My mind still hasn't been changed because you just proved my point by pulling out ideas from the box and not outside it. your claims of their being augments and cosmetics that allow the player to change the blood vampiric fighter theme is baseless.

Your narcissism places you at the center of this games development. They are hiring, feel free to apply.

No one is required to prove anything to your unchanging view point.

daveywavey

Diamaht wrote: »

No one is required to prove anything to your unchanging view point.

Hah yeah. Imagine thinking we care enough about their opinion that we want/need to change their mind!

JamesSunderland

Well, that's quite a delusional one.

Noaani

OceanSunwind wrote: »

quite the opposite, i love it. i'm challenging you all to prove me wrong and change my mind. My mind still hasn't been changed because you just proved my point by pulling out ideas from the box and not outside it. your claims of their being augments and cosmetics that allow the player to change the blood vampiric fighter theme is baseless.

People that attempt to encourage others to "think outside the box" are themselves not capable of doing the very thing they just asked others to do.

If they were capable of it, they wouldn't use such a cliche term.

Anyone that I come across that uses that specific term in a manner where they are asking others to do it is someone I know to be completely devoid of any immagination at all.

OceanSunwind wrote: »

Creativity comes from thinking outside the box.

Creativity does not come from thinking outside of the box - true creativity comes when you realize that there is no box.

This is why people that use the term "think outside the box" are flashing a giant sign saying they have no idea what creativity even is.

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

Creativity does not come from thinking outside of the box - true creativity comes when you realize that there is no box.

Holy shit I can dox Noaani now!

Here he is

Xeeg

OceanSunwind wrote: »

This entire post, again, is to prevent something that could happen. There is potential that the development team listens to the unimaginative masses whom speak louder or shout frequently, whom thinks they know what makes good fantasy or fantasy game without having ever contributed to something creative.

Creativity aside, the reason I started posting in these forums is because I wanted to add my own opinion to the conversations. Just understand that many of the frequent posters are strongly opinionated and are spending hours every day reading and writing comments. If they shut down your idea, insult or demean you, don't take it personally, and don't take it as the majority opinion of your idea. Verbal combat in the forums is their current MMO.

Take some of your own advice to the dev team and just ignore bad arguments and focus on the good ones. You can spend hours and days on a thread trying to explain what you are talking about, to varying degrees of effect. It can work with some of the more reasonable members, but other times its a lost cause.

Personally, I think I've only had 1 thread that hasn't been misunderstood or vigorously argued against on the most arbitrary of levels by various members. Sometimes the critique is good, or there was information on the Ashes Wiki that already resolved the issue that I was trying to talk about.

That being said, there could be many more people reading your comments and agreeing than the ones posting and disagreeing. As far as I'm concerned, this whole genre is fiction so the dev team can make whatever world they want as long as it is self consistent. It doesn't need to conform to anyone's idea of what a "fighter" or "mage" is from other games.

People talk about fighters not having "mana", yet I've never seen a fighter fly 50 yards in the air and slam down on the grounds creating a 10 yard radius earthquake. Seems pretty magical to me, current record for a long jump for humans is like 10 yards. If they want a realistic fighter then the only ability they get is "swing sword", just like real life.

We can argue till the cows come home about what your idea of a "fighter" is, or someone else's idea. At the end of the day, the dev team gets to decide. So put your opinion in the forums and just expect to be attacked and misunderstood and argued against.

TheDarkSorcerer

15 years of creative experience here with clients ranging from Walt Disney to Blumhouse to Kim Kardashian's SKIMS apparel brand. Non-creative people's opinions are just as important as anyone else's.

Aszkalon

OceanSunwind wrote: »

"i promise that people i have never met before are not taking you seriously because I don't think your feedback has value" yawwwnnnn

Well talk to the Mirror. The Game is barely over halfway finished regarding what might function and +70%(?ish) finished with lots of Bugs and Glitches that need testing.

And here comes a Comment with what could " concern " People who have absolutely nothing to contribute to the Games Development when the Alpha Two is not even here and the People "concerned" barely know what they are talking about ?

I get it. The Time to Alpha Two is long. But the Topics got rapidly worse since April 22nd. Well hopefully that is only my own Impression.

Dygz

OceanSunwind wrote: »

quite the opposite, i love it. i'm challenging you all to prove me wrong and change my mind. My mind still hasn't been changed because you just proved my point by pulling out ideas from the box and not outside it. your claims of their being augments and cosmetics that allow the player to change the blood vampiric fighter theme is baseless.

Baseless? You don't know what words mean.
Also... no one here cares about changing your deranged mind.
We are just sharing our reactions to your post(s).

patrick68794

OceanSunwind wrote: »

Aszkalon wrote: »

I am concerned that People concern themselves to much about the Concerns of concerned People who may happen to not be the Developers. (lol)

While it is okay to be concerned for the Games Development, People should "pretty-Please" leave the Concerns to the Developers concerned and not concern themselves with what only the Developers concerned should concern themselves with.

Am i understood ? Or are my concerns overheard ? Please don't force me to concern myself anymore than i already did. This is very concerning otherwise.

patrick68794 wrote: »

OceanSunwind wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Damn, you're still THAT butthurt about people disagreeing with you, huh. A shame.

Also, this is peak Dunning-Kruger

You could perceive my words as pretentious. The only thing that matters is the right people reading the message, not you.

I can promise you that nobody at Intrepid is taking anything you say on this topic seriously lol if you have any real feedback then they'll read that and judge it as they see fit. Based on this post, and your responses to people in here so far, I wouldn't put much stock into you actually having any really useful or "creative" feedback to provide though.

"i promise that people i have never met before are not taking you seriously because I don't think your feedback has value" yawwwnnnn

That is not what I said lol I'm not surprised you didn't understand it though

Depraved

OceanSunwind wrote: »

Aszkalon wrote: »

I am concerned that People concern themselves to much about the Concerns of concerned People who may happen to not be the Developers. (lol)

While it is okay to be concerned for the Games Development, People should "pretty-Please" leave the Concerns to the Developers concerned and not concern themselves with what only the Developers concerned should concern themselves with.

Am i understood ? Or are my concerns overheard ? Please don't force me to concern myself anymore than i already did. This is very concerning otherwise.

patrick68794 wrote: »

OceanSunwind wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Damn, you're still THAT butthurt about people disagreeing with you, huh. A shame.

Also, this is peak Dunning-Kruger

You could perceive my words as pretentious. The only thing that matters is the right people reading the message, not you.

I can promise you that nobody at Intrepid is taking anything you say on this topic seriously lol if you have any real feedback then they'll read that and judge it as they see fit. Based on this post, and your responses to people in here so far, I wouldn't put much stock into you actually having any really useful or "creative" feedback to provide though.

"i promise that people i have never met before are not taking you seriously because I don't think your feedback has value" yawwwnnnn

they ideas could not be good, or not a good fit for ashes.

ideas proposed here are proposed in isolation. people here have no clue about the whole game and all the systems since we weren't working at intrepid...so an idea that might seem good could be terrible for the whole ecosystem...

then you have guys like the one you quoted saying the game is outdated etc xDD

SnowElf

Hi Ocean!

Software developer and author here, creativity is a shadow that has never left my side. I completely understand and respect your concerns revolving around the aspect of creativity and how the community may inadvertently stifle the creative vision shared from others.

Simple advice? ignore anyone who casts doubt or intended negativity on your creative expression. I would not be an author to this day if I listened to the opinions or remarks of others - let alone strangers on the internet. Humans are often and innately drawn to manifesting criticism yet lack the proper formalities to execute it professionally or constructively.

If your creative vision is strong enough and you show genuine enthusiasm and passion for it, Intrepid will acknowledge it. And if it's solid enough in the eyes and minds of others, that creative vision may come to fruition. You needn't worry about what other community members may say or think of your ideas. The beauty of creativity is also that there can always be alternatives and even your first rough draft of an idea can always be altered to an even greater version than before, so it's important that you also remain open and flexible to potential change in the vision you have inside of your head.

Intrepid is always listening, watching even. One of Steven's favorite things to pass the time when he isn't over-encumbered by work is to sift through the community's commentary and feedback on Ashes of Creation. There is also multiple devs within AoC Forums who are monitoring and may even relay your own creative ideas to the drawing board one day.

So have faith. It doesn't matter if other community members lack creative vision when compared to your own, Steven and Intrepid studios as a whole work hard alongside the community with an agile development approach to deliver a product to the community that is going to shake the entire MMORPG world for decades to come.

Regards,
-Snow Elf

Mag7spy

SnowElf wrote: »

Hi Ocean!

Software developer and author here, creativity is a shadow that has never left my side. I completely understand and respect your concerns revolving around the aspect of creativity and how the community may inadvertently stifle the creative vision shared from others.

Simple advice? ignore anyone who casts doubt or intended negativity on your creative expression. I would not be an author to this day if I listened to the opinions or remarks of others - let alone strangers on the internet. Humans are often and innately drawn to manifesting criticism yet lack the proper formalities to execute it professionally or constructively.

If your creative vision is strong enough and you show genuine enthusiasm and passion for it, Intrepid will acknowledge it. And if it's solid enough in the eyes and minds of others, that creative vision may come to fruition. You needn't worry about what other community members may say or think of your ideas. The beauty of creativity is also that there can always be alternatives and even your first rough draft of an idea can always be altered to an even greater version than before, so it's important that you also remain open and flexible to potential change in the vision you have inside of your head.

Intrepid is always listening, watching even. One of Steven's favorite things to pass the time when he isn't over-encumbered by work is to sift through the community's commentary and feedback on Ashes of Creation. There is also multiple devs within AoC Forums who are monitoring and may even relay your own creative ideas to the drawing board one day.

So have faith. It doesn't matter if other community members lack creative vision when compared to your own, Steven and Intrepid studios as a whole work hard alongside the community with an agile development approach to deliver a product to the community that is going to shake the entire MMORPG world for decades to come.

Regards,
-Snow Elf

I hope you realize he is trying to suggest people that don't agree with him wanting to change the creative vision of warrior (change skills cause he doesn't like them not have other suggestions on top of it) are unimaginative lmao.

Aszkalon

Mag7spy wrote: »

I hope you realize he is trying to suggest people that don't agree with him wanting to change the creative vision of warrior (change skills cause he doesn't like them not have other suggestions on top of it) are unimaginative lmao.

This is why it is very concerning that he dares to concern himself with Concerns of Matters of the Design of Gameplay that only the Developers concerned should concern themselves with.

I know, concerning, right ?

patrick68794

SnowElf wrote: »

Hi Ocean!

Software developer and author here, creativity is a shadow that has never left my side. I completely understand and respect your concerns revolving around the aspect of creativity and how the community may inadvertently stifle the creative vision shared from others.

Simple advice? ignore anyone who casts doubt or intended negativity on your creative expression. I would not be an author to this day if I listened to the opinions or remarks of others - let alone strangers on the internet. Humans are often and innately drawn to manifesting criticism yet lack the proper formalities to execute it professionally or constructively.

If your creative vision is strong enough and you show genuine enthusiasm and passion for it, Intrepid will acknowledge it. And if it's solid enough in the eyes and minds of others, that creative vision may come to fruition. You needn't worry about what other community members may say or think of your ideas. The beauty of creativity is also that there can always be alternatives and even your first rough draft of an idea can always be altered to an even greater version than before, so it's important that you also remain open and flexible to potential change in the vision you have inside of your head.

Intrepid is always listening, watching even. One of Steven's favorite things to pass the time when he isn't over-encumbered by work is to sift through the community's commentary and feedback on Ashes of Creation. There is also multiple devs within AoC Forums who are monitoring and may even relay your own creative ideas to the drawing board one day.

So have faith. It doesn't matter if other community members lack creative vision when compared to your own, Steven and Intrepid studios as a whole work hard alongside the community with an agile development approach to deliver a product to the community that is going to shake the entire MMORPG world for decades to come.

Regards,
-Snow Elf

OP is trying to gatekeep providing feedback and suggestions to those that work in "creative" fields or have been deeply involved in creative hobbies for years by basically saying that everyone else isn't capable of providing valid feedback... Nobody is really criticizing them for providing their own suggestions.

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