Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » If you are trying to focus on some other thing, idk what you are going on about. As I have been saying - the point is that the game has changed so much that the developers stopped selling it (for a month or so), and are doing what they can to facilitate refunds. As my first post in this thread suggested - lets hope they don't do that here. This - for reference - is that post; Noaani wrote: » Would you rather they Wayfinder you? You are the one that started arguing from that point. My point was and is simply the above quoted post. Again, argue all you want.
Mag7spy wrote: » If you are trying to focus on some other thing, idk what you are going on about.
Noaani wrote: » Would you rather they Wayfinder you?
Mag7spy wrote: » You are trying to turn it into a argument about "Would you rather they Wayfinder you?"
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » You are trying to turn it into a argument about "Would you rather they Wayfinder you?" Again - my only post on the subject other than pointing out that you are wrong in various ways... Noaani wrote: » Would you rather they Wayfinder you? I am not trying to turn "the argument" in to me saying the above; you are trying to turn me saying the above in to an argument.
Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » You are trying to turn it into a argument about "Would you rather they Wayfinder you?" Again - my only post on the subject other than pointing out that you are wrong in various ways... Noaani wrote: » Would you rather they Wayfinder you? I am not trying to turn "the argument" in to me saying the above; you are trying to turn me saying the above in to an argument. You are point out anything is wrong you are trying to change the point of my post to match some other argument to mix things up.
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » You are trying to turn it into a argument about "Would you rather they Wayfinder you?" Again - my only post on the subject other than pointing out that you are wrong in various ways... Noaani wrote: » Would you rather they Wayfinder you? I am not trying to turn "the argument" in to me saying the above; you are trying to turn me saying the above in to an argument. You are point out anything is wrong you are trying to change the point of my post to match some other argument to mix things up. No, I'm just pointing out the things you are bringing up that don't matter (which is most of what you are saying). You say the game loop didn't change - yet the developers consider the game as a whole to be different enough now to what it was a few days ago for them to stop selling it and offer refunds. The fact that this is what they have done means that what the actual changes are really doesn't matter. Literally the only points that are pertinent to this discussion is that Wayfinder changed, and this change lead the developers to stop selling the game, and to attempt to offer refunds. Nothing else has any pertinence to this discussion.
Mag7spy wrote: » Clearly yes things are changing
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Clearly yes things are changing Yes, that is my point. I'm glad you agree.
Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Clearly yes things are changing Yes, that is my point. I'm glad you agree. When your argument is so bad you ignore all context.
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Clearly yes things are changing Yes, that is my point. I'm glad you agree. When your argument is so bad you ignore all context. As I've said - I am not arguing anything. I am simply stating that we don't want Ashes to do a Wayfinder.
Otr wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Clearly yes things are changing Yes, that is my point. I'm glad you agree. When your argument is so bad you ignore all context. As I've said - I am not arguing anything. I am simply stating that we don't want Ashes to do a Wayfinder. Can you give an example of a successful early access MMORPG?
Aszkalon wrote: » * sigh * ... ... ... i can not help to notice the lack of things to talk about, because the last Presentation was only lighting in the dark of Night ... ... ^.^
Noaani wrote: » Otr wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Clearly yes things are changing Yes, that is my point. I'm glad you agree. When your argument is so bad you ignore all context. As I've said - I am not arguing anything. I am simply stating that we don't want Ashes to do a Wayfinder. Can you give an example of a successful early access MMORPG? I'm not sure why this is a relavent point. Early access on Steam is just their term for beta testing - you are essentially asking me to name a successful MMORPG that had a beta test. At best, you could claim that early access is more like an open beta rather than a general or closed beta. However, at that point you are just asking me to name a successful MMORPG that had an open beta.
Otr wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Otr wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Clearly yes things are changing Yes, that is my point. I'm glad you agree. When your argument is so bad you ignore all context. As I've said - I am not arguing anything. I am simply stating that we don't want Ashes to do a Wayfinder. Can you give an example of a successful early access MMORPG? I'm not sure why this is a relavent point. Early access on Steam is just their term for beta testing - you are essentially asking me to name a successful MMORPG that had a beta test. At best, you could claim that early access is more like an open beta rather than a general or closed beta. However, at that point you are just asking me to name a successful MMORPG that had an open beta. In my opinion the Steam Early Access is being used to make money early before all features are ready. And all developers lie when they answer that "Why Early Access?" question on the store page banner. Mmorpg games which try to do the same fail because they start loosing players as soon as they open it to public. When all features are implemented, players are already looking for a new game. Wayfinder seems it died the same way. Their attempt to salvage something feels like a desperate plan to help their studio survive. Hopefully AoC will not face similar fate even though many of us will get access to it.
Noaani wrote: » Otr wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Otr wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Clearly yes things are changing Yes, that is my point. I'm glad you agree. When your argument is so bad you ignore all context. As I've said - I am not arguing anything. I am simply stating that we don't want Ashes to do a Wayfinder. Can you give an example of a successful early access MMORPG? I'm not sure why this is a relavent point. Early access on Steam is just their term for beta testing - you are essentially asking me to name a successful MMORPG that had a beta test. At best, you could claim that early access is more like an open beta rather than a general or closed beta. However, at that point you are just asking me to name a successful MMORPG that had an open beta. In my opinion the Steam Early Access is being used to make money early before all features are ready. And all developers lie when they answer that "Why Early Access?" question on the store page banner. Mmorpg games which try to do the same fail because they start loosing players as soon as they open it to public. When all features are implemented, players are already looking for a new game. Wayfinder seems it died the same way. Their attempt to salvage something feels like a desperate plan to help their studio survive. Hopefully AoC will not face similar fate even though many of us will get access to it. You realize you are just talking about a beta here, right? Like, if you get a paid beta and put it next to Steam early access - they are the same thing.
Tyranthraxus wrote: » Aszkalon wrote: » * sigh * ... ... ... i can not help to notice the lack of things to talk about, because the last Presentation was only lighting in the dark of Night ... ... ^.^ Lol - hence my super-serious thread gets jacked for a Wayfinder argument
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » My argument is if someone bought way finder expecting a true mmorpg did not do their research. And my argument is that someone that did do their research would not be happy with what the game is now. If you don't believe me, just talk to people that were happy with what the game was. If they did do their research they would have not bought the game cause its a destiny style mmorpg. But if they wanted a Destiny style MMO... Did they? Cause destiny isn't a mmo (less than 20 people on a instanced inst really mmo) its just a label thrown on to live service games. Since you are playing solo or in qued lobbies pretty sure the entire time (unless you group with friends). You are missing the point - probably intentionally as usual. People looked in to the game. Some of these people decided it looks like a game they want to play. They paid the developer money to play that game. That is no longer what the game is. You don't get to sit there and say "well, it wasn't a proper MMO anyway", because people looked at what the game was, and paid money for that. Again, it would be like Ashes switching to a PvE game - what do you mean you didn't expect it? Intrepid have long since stated that they would love to compete with WoW for the top end raiding market (actual statement made).
Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » My argument is if someone bought way finder expecting a true mmorpg did not do their research. And my argument is that someone that did do their research would not be happy with what the game is now. If you don't believe me, just talk to people that were happy with what the game was. If they did do their research they would have not bought the game cause its a destiny style mmorpg. But if they wanted a Destiny style MMO... Did they? Cause destiny isn't a mmo (less than 20 people on a instanced inst really mmo) its just a label thrown on to live service games. Since you are playing solo or in qued lobbies pretty sure the entire time (unless you group with friends).
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » My argument is if someone bought way finder expecting a true mmorpg did not do their research. And my argument is that someone that did do their research would not be happy with what the game is now. If you don't believe me, just talk to people that were happy with what the game was. If they did do their research they would have not bought the game cause its a destiny style mmorpg. But if they wanted a Destiny style MMO...
Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » My argument is if someone bought way finder expecting a true mmorpg did not do their research. And my argument is that someone that did do their research would not be happy with what the game is now. If you don't believe me, just talk to people that were happy with what the game was. If they did do their research they would have not bought the game cause its a destiny style mmorpg.
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » My argument is if someone bought way finder expecting a true mmorpg did not do their research. And my argument is that someone that did do their research would not be happy with what the game is now. If you don't believe me, just talk to people that were happy with what the game was.
Mag7spy wrote: » My argument is if someone bought way finder expecting a true mmorpg did not do their research.
Saabynator wrote: » How do you Jumanji someone?
abc0815 wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » My argument is if someone bought way finder expecting a true mmorpg did not do their research. And my argument is that someone that did do their research would not be happy with what the game is now. If you don't believe me, just talk to people that were happy with what the game was. If they did do their research they would have not bought the game cause its a destiny style mmorpg. But if they wanted a Destiny style MMO... Did they? Cause destiny isn't a mmo (less than 20 people on a instanced inst really mmo) its just a label thrown on to live service games. Since you are playing solo or in qued lobbies pretty sure the entire time (unless you group with friends). You are missing the point - probably intentionally as usual. People looked in to the game. Some of these people decided it looks like a game they want to play. They paid the developer money to play that game. That is no longer what the game is. You don't get to sit there and say "well, it wasn't a proper MMO anyway", because people looked at what the game was, and paid money for that. Again, it would be like Ashes switching to a PvE game - what do you mean you didn't expect it? Intrepid have long since stated that they would love to compete with WoW for the top end raiding market (actual statement made). Yes the lesson should be to only pay for the product being offered now, not some nebulous future version.
