The spells look terrible

After watching all the classes currently released i went from being a big fan to considering even playing it. Its so much unicorn puke everywhere that it reminds me of retail wow where in the end you dont even know whats happening because everything is blinking in neon colors. The world looks very beautiful and natural but the spells look terrible. No problem if a mage has some ice and fire stuff sure if it does look realistic. A ranger having every shot being neon apart from autoattacks, like a star wars laser battle. And this is just an example and all the classes look wierd.
Why do you mess this game up like that? It just looks unnatural. It really turns me off now. I thought there is a beautiful game that looks somewhat natural and then they design all the spells like cyberpunk. It just doesnt look right and doesnt fit the landscape of the world, sorry. But thats just my opinion.

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Saabynator

I really like the spell effects. Its not unicorn puke like asian games, I think its spot on. Maybe the effects were a tad over the top with the ranger, but still looked cool. But the mage stuff, I loved it. The effects were to the point. Same with fighter, spot on.

Kilion

I agree... a bit. Auto attacks for rangers IMO need a colored indicator, because collision/taking cover is a mechanic that exist in Ashes. To hide from it, you need to know where it came from and "get gut" is not really the right argument here.
With this game mechanic in mind I think it is clear why many ranged abilties have bright light and colorization.

Moving on to the repeatedly stated point of "ability effects are not finalized" > this one explains itself

Furthermore we have been told that there is a menu point where we can dial down the intensity of visual effects > I will definitely use this to avoid epileptic seizures

Lastly with Alpha 2 around the corner there will be huge opportunity to test out the existing features and provide in depth feedback on what exactly needs further work.

Vissox

Intrepid has a bad initial approach to spell effects but it seems like they get better over time. The ranger spell effects look well tuned to me and the lightning ball looks a lot better. We just have to keep telling them what effects look like shit and they will fix them, but I do wish they would use a more "less is more" approach to begin with.

Diamaht

SnowElf wrote: »

Thank you for your unsolicited opinion! I bet you also go to kids' birthday parties and tell them that you also happen to have a birthday.

It's a forum that literally asks for people's opinons.

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

"then they design all the spells like cyberpunk. It just doesnt look right and doesnt fit the landscape of the world, sorry. But thats just my opinion."

There was a thread a while back by someone about how wrong it is for non-creatives giving their subjective opinions. Even though I welcome constructive criticism. This post by OP is a good example by someone giving their subjective opinion on visuals in a very poor non-constructive way.

VFX in Ashes fit the brand and world Intrepid built very well.

You guys need to stop insulting people who have a different perspective.

I don't agree with the OPs perspective, but his perspective is welcome.

Xeeg

Meh, if i want realistic looking I will go outside and touch grass, not play a fantasy game. I'm playing video games for fun and entertainment. I'd rather it look "cool" than "real".

But visual clutter is a thing. If its so bad that you can't even really play the "game" part because you can't see anything then we need a solution.

patrick68794

Xeeg wrote: »

Meh, if i want realistic looking I will go outside and touch grass, not play a fantasy game. I'm playing video games for fun and entertainment. I'd rather it look "cool" than "real".

But visual clutter is a thing. If its so bad that you can't even really play the "game" part because you can't see anything then we need a solution.

And the spells in this game aren't anywhere near that bad. They look powerful and unique without being visually overwhelming. It seems like a lot of the people crying just want all lightning spells to look like static electricity, fire spells to look like a lighter, and frost spells to look like a light snow flurry or a snowball made and thrown by a 7 year old lol

Solvryn

The Fighters VFXs are the bar for VFXs, imo. Too much color and you get really poorly obscured visual data which makes for a diminished combat experience.

And if I'm doing the number one repeatable content in the game, I'd like to consistently enjoy it.

Electronn

TheDarkSorcerer

Diamaht wrote: »

SnowElf wrote: »

Thank you for your unsolicited opinion! I bet you also go to kids' birthday parties and tell them that you also happen to have a birthday.

It's a forum that literally asks for people's opinons.

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

"then they design all the spells like cyberpunk. It just doesnt look right and doesnt fit the landscape of the world, sorry. But thats just my opinion."

There was a thread a while back by someone about how wrong it is for non-creatives giving their subjective opinions. Even though I welcome constructive criticism. This post by OP is a good example by someone giving their subjective opinion on visuals in a very poor non-constructive way.

VFX in Ashes fit the brand and world Intrepid built very well.

You guys need to stop insulting people who have a different perspective.

I don't agree with the OPs perspective, but his perspective is welcome.

Lol... Reading must not be your strong suit... OP's post is immature and does not provide constructive and respectful feedback. He gives insulting feedback to the developers, hence my comment.

SnowElf

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

SnowElf wrote: »

Thank you for your unsolicited opinion! I bet you also go to kids' birthday parties and tell them that you also happen to have a birthday.

It's a forum that literally asks for people's opinons.

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

"then they design all the spells like cyberpunk. It just doesnt look right and doesnt fit the landscape of the world, sorry. But thats just my opinion."

There was a thread a while back by someone about how wrong it is for non-creatives giving their subjective opinions. Even though I welcome constructive criticism. This post by OP is a good example by someone giving their subjective opinion on visuals in a very poor non-constructive way.

VFX in Ashes fit the brand and world Intrepid built very well.

You guys need to stop insulting people who have a different perspective.

I don't agree with the OPs perspective, but his perspective is welcome.

Lol... Reading must not be your strong suit... OP's post is immature and does not provide constructive and respectful feedback. He gives insulting feedback to the developers, hence my comment.

This.

I'm all for people sharing their opinions/perspective or thoughts on a matter, but have some tact or a modicum of respect when doing so. Developers out here working hard to provide a game for the community and yea, intrepid is completely open to feedback and invites it happily, but that feedback also doesn't need to come w/ disrespect.

Diamaht

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

SnowElf wrote: »

Thank you for your unsolicited opinion! I bet you also go to kids' birthday parties and tell them that you also happen to have a birthday.

It's a forum that literally asks for people's opinons.

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

"then they design all the spells like cyberpunk. It just doesnt look right and doesnt fit the landscape of the world, sorry. But thats just my opinion."

There was a thread a while back by someone about how wrong it is for non-creatives giving their subjective opinions. Even though I welcome constructive criticism. This post by OP is a good example by someone giving their subjective opinion on visuals in a very poor non-constructive way.

VFX in Ashes fit the brand and world Intrepid built very well.

You guys need to stop insulting people who have a different perspective.

I don't agree with the OPs perspective, but his perspective is welcome.

Lol... Reading must not be your strong suit... OP's post is immature and does not provide constructive and respectful feedback. He gives insulting feedback to the developers, hence my comment.

SnowElf wrote: »

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

SnowElf wrote: »

Thank you for your unsolicited opinion! I bet you also go to kids' birthday parties and tell them that you also happen to have a birthday.

It's a forum that literally asks for people's opinons.

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

"then they design all the spells like cyberpunk. It just doesnt look right and doesnt fit the landscape of the world, sorry. But thats just my opinion."

There was a thread a while back by someone about how wrong it is for non-creatives giving their subjective opinions. Even though I welcome constructive criticism. This post by OP is a good example by someone giving their subjective opinion on visuals in a very poor non-constructive way.

VFX in Ashes fit the brand and world Intrepid built very well.

You guys need to stop insulting people who have a different perspective.

I don't agree with the OPs perspective, but his perspective is welcome.

Lol... Reading must not be your strong suit... OP's post is immature and does not provide constructive and respectful feedback. He gives insulting feedback to the developers, hence my comment.

This.

I'm all for people sharing their opinions/perspective or thoughts on a matter, but have some tact or a modicum of respect when doing so. Developers out here working hard to provide a game for the community and yea, intrepid is completely open to feedback and invites it happily, but that feedback also doesn't need to come w/ disrespect.

There was nothing in the OP that was insulting to the devs. He didn't like the spell effects, I don't agree with him but that doesn't matter.

"Unsolicited" doesn't apply here. They literally ask for everyone's perspective.

Rehashing this narcissistic "non creatives" garbage is completely insulting.

You guys are going overboard with the gate keeping.

AidanKD

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

Lol... Reading must not be your strong suit... OP's post is immature and does not provide constructive and respectful feedback. He gives insulting feedback to the developers, hence my comment.

And how is attacking someone's "reading comprehension" (to which I disagree with you) - respectful? Begs the question to your own maturity.

The substance of OP's statement was:

- World looks great (opinion)
- Spells don't look great (opinion)
- World and spell contrast makes the spells not look great (opinion).

How people choose to dress up their words is up to them but it was not offensive to the devs and the white knightery in the comments here needs to go. They actually provided positive AND negative feedback which is the perfect balance.

I think the majority of people here are actually fine, this is a community where we should welcome contrasting views or it will become an echo chamber.

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I happen to share the same concern that we've seen spells in a confined space usually with 1-5 players. If we have 100 players on screen blasting spells on cooldown it's going to be a nightmare.

Spells need to have a distinct enough animation to know what it is, showy enough to not be boring, but not so much that it becomes all you see on screen.

xlx

AidanKD wrote: »

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

- World looks great (opinion)
- Spells don't look great (opinion)
- World and spell contrast makes the spells not look great (opinion).

This is exactly what i wanted to say. Thanks so much boiling it down. I didnt want to insult people.

Its true powerful spells need a powerful feel and have some sort of animation. That is not the point. Its about every spell having these animations and way too big ones and in crazy colors. Someone said a ranger autohit or casual strike must have a easy to spot animation, but i disagree. If its not a too powerful attack that instantly kills you it can be just a slightly bigger arrow or something. People will adjust to that very easy, i mean just look at Rust where people can spot bow shots from far away thats basicly just tiny sticks. You can also give it a subtle green fire effect or something but i dont like it when it looks like a laser gun.

Same for healing: A heal doesnt need to glow bright 2 meter into the sky, it can just be an animation like renew in wow. And a big powerful heal you dont cast all the time then can have a special big animation, no problem. Also the shields are way too big and flashy. Wow did shields very small and everyone could instantly notice them.

I also believe spells should have some randomness in their animation. For example a fire shouldnt have a perfect circle around it where it lands so you can perfectly stay 1 inch outside of it. It should just have the fire animation and not the circle. Yeah sure it means you might have to stay 5 inches outside of it as a result but it looks better. I dont like this like Dr. Strange perfect geometrical effects. Maybe even a gradual effect range on the edges if thats possible to program. Fire should be fire and not some lasercircle that burns on the inside. Same for ice or any other spell. It just looks too clean and i believe it shouldnt.

RocketFarmer

Because effects are so subjective, they really need to provide players with choices to fine tune them. And the same player may want different settings playing a tank vs Ranger vs mage.

SnowElf

RocketFarmer wrote: »

Because effects are so subjective, they really need to provide players with choices to fine tune them. And the same player may want different settings playing a tank vs Ranger vs mage.

Agreed. FFXIV allows for this and it does come in handy within the UI options. Depending if you're solo, in a group, or in a raid group, you can tune the amount of spells and abilities that appear on screen during fights so that the user isn't encumbered by a ton of on screen graphic clutter.

Saabynator

SnowElf wrote: »

RocketFarmer wrote: »

Because effects are so subjective, they really need to provide players with choices to fine tune them. And the same player may want different settings playing a tank vs Ranger vs mage.

Agreed. FFXIV allows for this and it does come in handy within the UI options. Depending if you're solo, in a group, or in a raid group, you can tune the amount of spells and abilities that appear on screen during fights so that the user isn't encumbered by a ton of on screen graphic clutter.

I think all games have this, more or less. You can choose if you want to see effects from just you, your group, raid or everyone. Also, some games provides that you can see effects for spells effecting you. So just ground circles and stuff.

Cadveun

Daggial wrote: »

I agree with the more general sentiment that visual clutter might turn out to be a mess in the end, specially in large scale PvP scenarios.

The combat style seems to be very spammy in the current state as well. This can be seen by the wand whipping video and the low damage of the spells, so these visuals will be going off over and over in rapid succession.

xlx

I see a problem with adjustable spells. In the end you have to max them out so you dont have a combat disadvantage over other players. So this wouldnt really change a thing. This only works if its the same for everyone.
If you had the option in wow to make all the spells in class colors and 3 times the size for example then everyone would use it because it would be an advantage. All mage spells blue all warlock spells purple and so on. Then a firespell from a mage is blue. This is just an hypothetical example. People would have to use this if this option were there because it gives you a combat advantage. But it makes the game look worse.

And as already mentioned this is such a beautiful scenery and i think spells that look like Tron arent that estetic in a medieval setting. In a scifi game its a different story. No matter if you could trim them down. You actually cant do this because of game disadvantage.

SoSpokeMika

Skills are so oversaturated with color that at some points it looks like Sci-Fi shootout. Ranger is literally shooting green neon laser beams.

Khronus

I do agree that having the "unicorn puke" sucks but Intrepid will get it right. When Alpha 1 first came out, the tank had a really annoying ability that did cause a lot of visual vomit and they quickly changed it after solid feedback from the community.

I am a boomer and I do enjoy less flashy combat, however, I also enjoy seeing some neon spells here and there. As long as in large scale combat, we end up with something that is visually appealing, go nuts.

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