Current animations are too much

Hi,

is it just me, or are the current animations of spells and weapon attacks just too much?
I get that some magical spells need some effect, it has to be visible etc. but does some Ranger skill really need some green stream that is of the size of a character, or does a standard hammer attack really need some big cleave animation?

You could see it in the last live stream, that even with just four people it's super chaotic and everything is flashing and exploding. What should happen with eight people or even while 500vs500? I feel like it's very close to a jrpg, and I have to admit that visually this is just too much for me. I don't say remove it, but pleaaase decrease the size and flashyness alot!

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Laetitian

Garrtok wrote: »

Laetitian wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

Aszkalon wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

Current animations are too much

O . P . T . I . O . N . S

We need simply - Options.
We need to be able to got into the Game Settings - and adjust from "SUPER-Low" or so - to "SUPER-High" or so, how detailed and present we want to have all those Particle- and other Effects.

Problem solved.

And i won't believe anyone who is going to tell me, that Unreal Engine 5.4. or higher can not do this.

There should be a good and working standard for a pvp game. It's just not good if everything is full of flashes and explosions. You can't read the battle or the enemy group at all.

You're really pushing your narrative here. The AoEs and laser-like abilities need some more refined colours, and *perhaps* some of the screen flashing effects (meteor) need to be tweaked (though personally, I think they're fine if they are rare enough), but overall the visual feedback is very clearly contrasted and easily legible. It's better than 95% of MMOs where effects either blend with the environment or you can't tell abilities apart because they're all the same vague, unremarkable colour flashes that look like basic attacks.

Sounds like you've just never played games with more than 8 players on each side, tbh.

When the battlefield is large, there will be times when a lot of important high-tier abilities will be happening at the same time. That doesn't mean the visual clarity is insufficient, it just means there's a lot happening; and different players are going to have to pay attention to different aspects of it, so all of them are going to have to be visible, and you'll have to mentally filter out the parts relevant to you. (That usually happens automatically after a while, anyway.)

Bs, I played warhammer online, daoc and gw1 and two and in all games it's better. What is your reference? Some Asia game?

Even assuming you're right and it's better 95% of the mmo (not true), than it's still bad. There are no reasons for fighters having some glowing flashy cleave effect on every hit, there is no reason that a ranger is firering green neon bolts. They're not magicians

I mostly played Regnum Online - a DAOC clone; western RvR MMO - when it comes to 3d, and got very quickly bored of most modern titles. The only aspect Rengum had an upper hand on DAOC in was graphics updates. Game looked pretty crisp for a niche title of its time. And still it wasn't much more restrained in graphical fidelity of ability effects than Ashes in its current state. [ 1 | 2 for context from a random channel with high-res gameplay footage.]

Mentioning DAOC here as an example of a standard that made you reject bright effect animations is...certainly a choice.

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The cleaves aren't that big of a deal in games with character collision, and weapon effect trails are super easy to turn off in settings in the vast majority of MMOs that have them; that'll be the first thing that will be customisable.

As for archers, your argument is just weak. The game isn't meant to look realistic, it's meant to look engaging, fun, enticing to join the battle, and most importantly animations are supposed to communicate clearly when big important cooldowns have been used, and the current AoE animations do that, and their bright colours make sure the abilities are easy to identify.

Again, I do hope they will refine the colour palette to repalace some brighter colours with more muted/pastel and darker tones, but other than that, the skill design is very clean compared to many modern games where everything blends with the environment, and if you turn down the resolution the slightest bit, everything is just pixels, because the overly detailed shapes, high opacity, and mud colours fail to compute into anything identifiable.

Garrtok

So in your opinion this is fine and my argument "weak"?

parley245

True want a setting to turn it down a notch or turn off basically.

AlpineW

+1 for the ability effects being too much. I know they’ve mentioned this is very much WIP so this post is just another one in that camp.

IMO the level of flashiness should be at about 50% of where it currently is, if not slightly less. Also do not want a slider on this at all. As others have said, this creates a settings meta where it’s too optimal to run the game with very low settings. They should find a good balance that the majority of players are happy with and run it.

Depraved

Garrtok wrote: »

So in your opinion this is fine and my argument "weak"?

just curious, for how long did that last on the screen?

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

just curious, for how long did that last on the screen?

Like a second. It's super short imo

Depraved

thought so

nanfoodle

After watching the Node War video my thoughts stands

Partical effects are to large and colorful. This does need to be scaled. It's way to busy and worst of all, it will be hard to tell what class is doing what in the battle.

Laetitian

Garrtok wrote: »

So in your opinion this is fine and my argument "weak"?

I was pondering not sending the screenshot in order to avoid this type of a response, but I figured I had said so many other things to reply to, and trusted that no one could be disingenuous enough to get distracted from all the other points by a single screenshot.

Yet you somehow managed not only to ignore all the other points, but also misconstrue the one made by the DaoC example. And the superficial observation you chose to respond with was *also* already addressed in my comment.

So idk, guess if you don't want to make any effort to have a good faith discussion, I'll stop replying to you.

Garrtok

Laetitian wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

So in your opinion this is fine and my argument "weak"?

I was pondering not sending the screenshot in order to avoid this type of a response, but I figured I had said so many other things to reply to, and trusted that no one could be disingenuous enough to get distracted from all the other points by a single screenshot.

Yet you somehow managed not only to ignore all the other points, but also misconstrue the one made by the DaoC example. And the superficial observation you chose to respond with was *also* already addressed in my comment.

So idk, guess if you don't want to make any effort to have a good faith discussion, I'll stop replying to you.

But it proves that you have no argument in that. In no game stuff like that should be possible.

Soluna

Heyho :-) I already shared my thoughts to that in the "[Feedback Request] Alpha Two Node Wars Preview Shown in May Livestream" thread but imo the effects are indeed too much! In the feedback thread I shared some images of New World and imo they did a great job with balancing the amount of glow and particles. The glow and the particles that are emitted by the spells are pretty similar to the effects of torches and other VFX in the environment.
In Ashes however this isn´t the case imo. The environment looks rather desaturated and a bit more realistic but the effects, such as the red wall or the green particles that are shown in the image above look rather cartoonish.
And even if these particles are just visible for a part of a second how it is with the green ranger ability... Now think of a node war with maybe hundreds of players fighting against each other. You´d probably only see huge blobs of colors here and there! One spell in red, the other one in green, etc...

Imo the glow AND the amount of particles have to be reduced a lot. And another thing that´s on my mind here:

Ashes uses UE5 and with the environment AND the characters shown in the last livestreams they seem to aim for a more realistic approach (remember that stream where they recreated Asmongold?

). So the spells should look like they actually belong in a game like that but in their current state they remind me of games like Blue Protocol that have a completely different style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0AM5KqiGFc

Sure, that´s a bit exaggerated but if you compare these spells with the ones in New World for example (

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBm8Xip3mCI) you hopefully get what I mean

The colors and the color intensity of the spells rather match the spells in Blue Protocol and not the ones in New World imo. And I know that Ashes doesn´t want to be New World but as I said: The spell effects should at least match the environment and the effects of fireplaces, torches, etc.

Depraved

Garrtok wrote: »

Laetitian wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

So in your opinion this is fine and my argument "weak"?

I was pondering not sending the screenshot in order to avoid this type of a response, but I figured I had said so many other things to reply to, and trusted that no one could be disingenuous enough to get distracted from all the other points by a single screenshot.

Yet you somehow managed not only to ignore all the other points, but also misconstrue the one made by the DaoC example. And the superficial observation you chose to respond with was *also* already addressed in my comment.

So idk, guess if you don't want to make any effort to have a good faith discussion, I'll stop replying to you.

But it proves that you have no argument in that. In no game stuff like that should be possible.

bruh, the green effect lasts for 0.2 seconds. it disappears faster than blinking lol. you just chose to pause the video at that moment and screenshot it. that's why I asked how long does it last xD it literally doesn't interrupt the fight.

Summpwner

Hey buddy, this is not what most content will look like. This is specifically a BIG TEAM PVP scenario with 40+ on both sides. Yeah there will be lots of shit flying around, assuming each person is doing something once or more per second.

Its entirely possible that these spell effects are tuned for the Node War and Siege scenarios specifically. Without high contrast color coding in a setting like this, it's impossible to see what circle on the ground is damage from an enemy vs damage from an ally.

Garrtok

Depraved wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

Laetitian wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

So in your opinion this is fine and my argument "weak"?

I was pondering not sending the screenshot in order to avoid this type of a response, but I figured I had said so many other things to reply to, and trusted that no one could be disingenuous enough to get distracted from all the other points by a single screenshot.

Yet you somehow managed not only to ignore all the other points, but also misconstrue the one made by the DaoC example. And the superficial observation you chose to respond with was *also* already addressed in my comment.

So idk, guess if you don't want to make any effort to have a good faith discussion, I'll stop replying to you.

But it proves that you have no argument in that. In no game stuff like that should be possible.

bruh, the green effect lasts for 0.2 seconds. it disappears faster than blinking lol. you just chose to pause the video at that moment and screenshot it. that's why I asked how long does it last xD it literally doesn't interrupt the fight.

Of course, this is just one example. It's always the case that players are covered, the big flashy aoes don't do any damage and you have no idea who casts which spell. This is not a good visualization for a pvp game. This is a very simple truth.

Depraved

Garrtok wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

Laetitian wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

So in your opinion this is fine and my argument "weak"?

I was pondering not sending the screenshot in order to avoid this type of a response, but I figured I had said so many other things to reply to, and trusted that no one could be disingenuous enough to get distracted from all the other points by a single screenshot.

Yet you somehow managed not only to ignore all the other points, but also misconstrue the one made by the DaoC example. And the superficial observation you chose to respond with was *also* already addressed in my comment.

So idk, guess if you don't want to make any effort to have a good faith discussion, I'll stop replying to you.

But it proves that you have no argument in that. In no game stuff like that should be possible.

bruh, the green effect lasts for 0.2 seconds. it disappears faster than blinking lol. you just chose to pause the video at that moment and screenshot it. that's why I asked how long does it last xD it literally doesn't interrupt the fight.

Of course, this is just one example. It's always the case that players are covered, the big flashy aoes don't do any damage and you have no idea who casts which spell. This is not a good visualization for a pvp game. This is a very simple truth.

1- pretty sure these effects arent final, as steven said so like 10 times lol

2- even if they were, once you know the archetype skills and all that, its not that hard to know whats going on during a fight.

Pearfor

I agree with @Hinotori . I like all these whistleblowers too. on the other hand, there are a lot of people who don't like tis kind of thing. reputable developers can just add sliders to the settings menu to reduce the effects of both themselves and other players. although I'm sure the effects in general will be tweaked in the future

nanfoodle

I don't get why this is worth arguing about. Steven said in the latest update. This kind of feedback does not help much as this area of the game will be getting adjusted later. It's coming. How we don't know. Maybe toggles and sliders. Maybe just toned down all together. We will see it scalled in A2 and that will be the time to give heavy feedback.

BRZK

I’d like to see blood coming off enemies during melee attacks not mortal kombat level but just a cool touch

nanfoodle

BRZK wrote: »

I’d like to see blood coming off enemies during melee attacks not mortal kombat level but just a cool touch

No ty

Solmyr

BRZK wrote: »

I’d like to see blood coming off enemies during melee attacks not mortal kombat level but just a cool touch

One of the fighter abilities causes a very exaggerated bleeding effect (I think it was called rupture?). It makes Mortal Kombat look realistic by comparison.

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