Kill Notifications

Watching recent combat footage from the Node War showcase I've noticed there does not appear to be any form of notification confirming player kills in real time. The reason I'm bringing this up is due to experiencing first hand in other games how useful kill notifications are for the player's decision making.

For reference this is what a kill notification looks like:

Kill notifications create a positive feedback loop for the player notifying them that whatever they're doing right now is yielding the desired effects i.e killing a bunch of people. Especially in a large scale scenario where sometimes you have momentum on your side and are actively killing enemy players but you fail to recognise and take advantage of that because you're ignorant of the fact. Afterall it is extremely hard to take note of your kills in large scale PvP amidst all the chaos and adrenalin.

Players should have the option to turn on/off kill notifications so there should be no contention as to why it shouldn't exist.

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arkileo

I don't know, I feel like in the context of Node Wars, this would be reinforcing the wrong thing. The goal of these events isn't to kill the enemy team, it's to complete some objectives. A positive feedback loop for the wrong thing might lead to worse performance.

Further, nodes have a leadership hierarchy (even if it's just mayor and everyone else), meaning a node will likely have someone, probably the mayor, leading the node's efforts in the event. It should be their job to read the battle and make calls to push or retreat. If they're not capable of doing that, then they lose. If the node citizens fail to listen to the person directing the battle, they lose.

Mind you, I'm coming at this with the opinion that kill notifications would feel weird in the context of an MMORPG, so I'm biased against them.

Ludullu

Are you suggesting these to be personal or smth like "anyone in your party/raid/guild/alliance killed an enemy"?

Cause personal ones would only really work for dpsers, while the other kind would most definitely be an everpresent thing on your screen.

I'd be ok if this was simply a text line in the combat log. Those who care can pay attention to that (or highlight it in the log, cause I hope we have that feature) and those who don't care will simply not even really notice it.

When your target dies - you see them die. I dunno what kind of gameplay is supposed to be happening on the screen for you to miss your own target dying.

PrinceMaslama

NiKr wrote: »

Are you suggesting these to be personal or smth like "anyone in your party/raid/guild/alliance killed an enemy"?.

Personal to the player getting the kill. Now that you've mentioned it I do believe there should be a kill feed highlighting all the deaths/kills that are concurrent, whether its in the context of a guild or as a member of a node. If there's a skirmish happening somewhere you're able to see that live via the kill feed [GUILD NAME] [PLAYER NAME] was slain by [ENEMY GUILD] [ENEMY PLAYER NAME] which would prompt the rest of the guild into action or simply act as a source of entertainment watching your guild farm the enemy guild via kill feed while you're busy doing whatever else you're doing.

arkileo wrote: »

Mind you, I'm coming at this with the opinion that kill notifications would feel weird in the context of an MMORPG, so I'm biased against them.

Gotchu

Nerror

If strictly personal, sure, fine. I am not a fan of them being broader than that though, like guild-wide. It doesn't suit the MMORPG gameplay style I think.

Mag7spy

Push back against this is weird. You should 100% be getting notifications you killed a player. I expect this to be a feature that is added to AoC at some point that is more clear as right now things are more bare bones.

Same way you will have a feed no how you did in node wars as well in general. It be bad to not know you killed a player and it not being made clearly on your screen, it is 100% positive reinforcement you are doing things right.

Also this is no different than having a in your combat log that you killed a player or npc, its just made more clear rather than having to squint your eyes at a combat log.

Ludullu

Mag7spy wrote: »

Same way you will have a feed no how you did in node wars as well in general. It be bad to not know you killed a player and it not being made clearly on your screen, it is 100% positive reinforcement you are doing things right.

Your BDO is showing, if you can't see when your target has died

Mag7spy

NiKr wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Same way you will have a feed no how you did in node wars as well in general. It be bad to not know you killed a player and it not being made clearly on your screen, it is 100% positive reinforcement you are doing things right.

Your BDO is showing, if you can't see when your target has died

Throne and liberty is showing* (aka linage 3)

You can see when your target dies in tons of mmorpgs its just not as user friendly

Ludullu

Mag7spy wrote: »

Throne and liberty is showing* (aka linage 3)

You can see when your target dies in tons of mmorpgs its just not as user friendly

I'm all about being user unfriendly

If you're in action combat - the dude falls in front of you. If you're in tab - the target will go away. EZ visible representation of you having killed the target. And if detargeting messed you up - that's simply a skill issue.

Aszkalon

If One can set it on or off as an Option if the own Kills of Enemy Players get displayed - sure, why not ?

Options are always good. This way, everyone can get what they prefer.

Legi

Which kills should show in your kill log?

I would say every PvP kill in a specific range around your character where you or your party/raid contributed in any way. There should also be a setting to filter for friendly/enemy kills.

Contributed would mean, dealt damage to or healed in the last.. 10-30 seconds? Dunno about the timeframe.

tautau

I prefer the uncertainty of the Fog of War. I would rather have to make decisions with imperfect information, so my preference for this is No.

Noaani

PrinceMaslama wrote: »

Kill notifications create a positive feedback loop for the player notifying them that whatever they're doing right now is yielding the desired effects i.e killing a bunch of people.

Do they though?

If I come in and cast an AoE dealing 5000 damage on everyone in an area, and you come in and cast an AoE dealing 100 damage, but that 100 damage is the killing blow for a number of players, is it really you that should be told that what you're doing is right?

That said, the combat log will no doubt have this information.

Saabynator

In the combat log sure, would be fine. As a personal pop up, fine too. But please, no group/guild or raid thing

Kilion

Sounds too much like an FPS or MOBA feature for my taste to be honest. I can see an enemy fall on my screen, but rarely will that happen as the primary objective. As far as I can tell, PvP in Ashes will basically at all times be objective based, even if you bonk players over the heads out in the wild - its mainly to steal their resources, not to just bonk players. So a kill notification seems unnecassary to me.

Blip

Kill Notifification should be a no brainer.

I just assumed it was not inplemented on the UI side yet.

Mag7spy

Kilion wrote: »

Sounds too much like an FPS or MOBA feature for my taste to be honest. I can see an enemy fall on my screen, but rarely will that happen as the primary objective. As far as I can tell, PvP in Ashes will basically at all times be objective based, even if you bonk players over the heads out in the wild - its mainly to steal their resources, not to just bonk players. So a kill notification seems unnecassary to me.

They are going to have leaderboards and such, its pretty important to know you killed someone in pvp. Even more so with all the stuff going around. That included in content with objectives as people are going to be doing callouts and such.

It is much cleaner than having another combat log on your screen just to keep track of kills. And for people that don't want it that will be a easy turn off in the UI. End of the day whole point of customizable ui and no ad ons is to let people have the set up they want.

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

They are going to have leaderboards and such, its pretty important to know you killed someone in pvp.

If PvP leaderboards are only about PvP kills, then they are worthless.

Depraved

Noaani wrote: »

PrinceMaslama wrote: »

Kill notifications create a positive feedback loop for the player notifying them that whatever they're doing right now is yielding the desired effects i.e killing a bunch of people.

Do they though?

If I come in and cast an AoE dealing 5000 damage on everyone in an area, and you come in and cast an AoE dealing 100 damage, but that 100 damage is the killing blow for a number of players, is it really you that should be told that what you're doing is right?

That said, the combat log will no doubt have this information.

damn I was gonna say this but u beat me to it ;-;

anyways, I don't care too much for the notification, but they can kind of be distracting >< I suppose id like the option to tun them off. as a cleric main, it will help me know if I ks or not tho xD but it can also make the other person rage seeing their target die and not getting the notification. its probs better if they didn't exist. you can just see they are dead right in front of you..or you can see "invalid target" when you try to hit them.

Mag7spy

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

They are going to have leaderboards and such, its pretty important to know you killed someone in pvp.

If PvP leaderboards are only about PvP kills, then they are worthless.

Who said PvP leaderboards are only about kills?

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

They are going to have leaderboards and such, its pretty important to know you killed someone in pvp.

If PvP leaderboards are only about PvP kills, then they are worthless.

Who said PvP leaderboards are only about kills?

No one - I said that if they were, they would be useless.

You can find all applicable information to back my story up in this thread, just a few posts above.

That said, it is not "pretty important" to know you killed someone in PvP due to leaderboards. That is - or should be - near useless information. You need to know the person died, you don't need to know you killed them, unless the leaderboard is just PvP kills, which is then a useless leaderboard.

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