Where is the Action Combat?

Greetings fellow adventurers,

As an avid follower of the development progress of Ashes of Creation, I cannot help but express my concerns regarding the direction of its combat system. While the game showcases remarkable progress in various aspects, particularly its stunning visuals and immersive world-building, the emphasis on tab target combat in recent updates, notably the Node Wars update, raises questions about the game's combat experience.

While tab target combat has its merits, catering to a specific subset of players, I worry that prioritizing it over action combat might alienate a significant portion of the player base. Action combat, known for its dynamic and engaging gameplay, holds immense potential to elevate the gaming experience, offering a more visceral and responsive gameplay style.

As we eagerly anticipate the release of Ashes of Creation, I find myself pondering whether the combat mechanics will shine as brightly as the rest of the game. Is the development team fully aware of the community's expectations regarding combat? Have they considered implementing a true hybrid combat system that seamlessly integrates both tab target and action elements?

While I remain optimistic about the game's future, I believe it's essential to voice our concerns and aspirations as a community. Let us engage in constructive dialogue and collectively strive for a gaming experience that truly resonates with all players.

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Garrtok

The truth is: there is no action combat.
The combat is more or less like in GW2, without clear ae markers and dodging. Because there is no dodging, which is essential for GW2, Ashes has such static gameplay.

Tryol

Tab target as a base is superior and I like the current ratio of tab/action skills in AoC.
Seems like the action camera is able to fool some PIs into thinking that they are playing action combat, just because they can lock their camera movement to their mouse, lol.🤦

Solvryn

Depraved wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

MrKryptic337 wrote: »

Greetings fellow adventurers,

As an avid follower of the development progress of Ashes of Creation, I cannot help but express my concerns regarding the direction of its combat system. While the game showcases remarkable progress in various aspects, particularly its stunning visuals and immersive world-building, the emphasis on tab target combat in recent updates, notably the Node Wars update, raises questions about the game's combat experience.

While tab target combat has its merits, catering to a specific subset of players, I worry that prioritizing it over action combat might alienate a significant portion of the player base. Action combat, known for its dynamic and engaging gameplay, holds immense potential to elevate the gaming experience, offering a more visceral and responsive gameplay style.

As we eagerly anticipate the release of Ashes of Creation, I find myself pondering whether the combat mechanics will shine as brightly as the rest of the game. Is the development team fully aware of the community's expectations regarding combat? Have they considered implementing a true hybrid combat system that seamlessly integrates both tab target and action elements?

While I remain optimistic about the game's future, I believe it's essential to voice our concerns and aspirations as a community. Let us engage in constructive dialogue and collectively strive for a gaming experience that truly resonates with all players.

It's best to give clear and concise examples from the previous titles you played so when people say, "I hated that combat system" you can simply just retort that they weren't ever good at it.

so basically, if u don't like tab target, I can simply say that you weren't good at it.

Most action combat players also play tab though.

Depraved

Solvryn wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

MrKryptic337 wrote: »

Greetings fellow adventurers,

As an avid follower of the development progress of Ashes of Creation, I cannot help but express my concerns regarding the direction of its combat system. While the game showcases remarkable progress in various aspects, particularly its stunning visuals and immersive world-building, the emphasis on tab target combat in recent updates, notably the Node Wars update, raises questions about the game's combat experience.

While tab target combat has its merits, catering to a specific subset of players, I worry that prioritizing it over action combat might alienate a significant portion of the player base. Action combat, known for its dynamic and engaging gameplay, holds immense potential to elevate the gaming experience, offering a more visceral and responsive gameplay style.

As we eagerly anticipate the release of Ashes of Creation, I find myself pondering whether the combat mechanics will shine as brightly as the rest of the game. Is the development team fully aware of the community's expectations regarding combat? Have they considered implementing a true hybrid combat system that seamlessly integrates both tab target and action elements?

While I remain optimistic about the game's future, I believe it's essential to voice our concerns and aspirations as a community. Let us engage in constructive dialogue and collectively strive for a gaming experience that truly resonates with all players.

It's best to give clear and concise examples from the previous titles you played so when people say, "I hated that combat system" you can simply just retort that they weren't ever good at it.

so basically, if u don't like tab target, I can simply say that you weren't good at it.

Most action combat players also play tab though.

most tab players also play action though ;3

but the argument is: "If you don't like it, you must be bad at it" which I disagree with T_T

Saabynator

It seems like there is alot of abilities that are not tab target based. Basically all AE's, some beam attacks etc. So there is what some would call action combat. I think its enough to call it a hybrid. Melee attacks was also no need for tageting.

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Solvryn

Depraved wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

MrKryptic337 wrote: »

Greetings fellow adventurers,

As an avid follower of the development progress of Ashes of Creation, I cannot help but express my concerns regarding the direction of its combat system. While the game showcases remarkable progress in various aspects, particularly its stunning visuals and immersive world-building, the emphasis on tab target combat in recent updates, notably the Node Wars update, raises questions about the game's combat experience.

While tab target combat has its merits, catering to a specific subset of players, I worry that prioritizing it over action combat might alienate a significant portion of the player base. Action combat, known for its dynamic and engaging gameplay, holds immense potential to elevate the gaming experience, offering a more visceral and responsive gameplay style.

As we eagerly anticipate the release of Ashes of Creation, I find myself pondering whether the combat mechanics will shine as brightly as the rest of the game. Is the development team fully aware of the community's expectations regarding combat? Have they considered implementing a true hybrid combat system that seamlessly integrates both tab target and action elements?

While I remain optimistic about the game's future, I believe it's essential to voice our concerns and aspirations as a community. Let us engage in constructive dialogue and collectively strive for a gaming experience that truly resonates with all players.

It's best to give clear and concise examples from the previous titles you played so when people say, "I hated that combat system" you can simply just retort that they weren't ever good at it.

so basically, if u don't like tab target, I can simply say that you weren't good at it.

Most action combat players also play tab though.

most tab players also play action though ;3

but the argument is: "If you don't like it, you must be bad at it" which I disagree with T_T

Most MMOs are tab, so that's just fundamentally not true. I doubt they will make the transition to action combat similar to Chiv, Conq Blade, Darkfall etc. I highly doubt they would give the games a chance enough to become good at them and enjoy them.

It's not the same for people who already play these games, because they have probably put many hours into tab titles.

Pawkets

Mag7spy wrote: »

I'm curious what would you need to meet your expectations for action combat gameplay wise?

I was happy with the bow aiming in New World alone, I like the direction that Ashes is going already and I like the hybrid I've seen. However, min max will come in and so if its a choice between missing skill shots and hitting 100% of the time. There is no incentive to miss and be a worse player and so tab will be expected.

Which is why I think the incentive needs to be key to making the use of action combat equal with the choice to just do tab and point and click.

Pawkets

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Not sure what other players are really looking for, in "action" combat.

Do you mean that action combat would involve *no* tab-targeting? My definition of action combat is having combat abilities that are open to hitting anything in their path: the swing of a sword hitting 2 or 3 players, cone-attacks, AoE's, etc. Attacks that - in essence - don't require you to have a specific target selected/highlighted.

In any such system, I'd still like to tab-target enemies, to see their health and buffs / de-buffs. To my perspective, they seem to have plenty of action-combat already in-place.

Yeah I think of League of Legends, you have auto attacks that are point and click and you don't have to work for them, but you have skill shots. And those skill shots are what I think of in Ashes which I've seen that already, placing reticles for a heal location and the ranger timing shot.

hleV

I still think the "hybrid" should translate to "some abilities are tab, the others are aimed", rather than "choose one or the other" because one will likely be more efficient than the other, making the other redundant.

So most ranger abilities would be tab, while most fighter abilities wouldn't require a target and would just cleave whatever's in the path.

Iskiab

I think Ashes' direction is a good one. Melee action and ranged tab.

Most people who like action combat also complain about lag and getting desynced. They haven't realized there's a technical limitation that makes online action combat games bad, they attribute problems to the game and not the genre. Action combat doesn't work in online games.

Voeltz

hleV wrote: »

I still think the "hybrid" should translate to "some abilities are tab, the others are aimed", rather than "choose one or the other" because one will likely be more efficient than the other, making the other redundant.

So most ranger abilities would be tab, while most fighter abilities wouldn't require a target and would just cleave whatever's in the path.

It has to work that way because the combat mode only changes how targets are chosen. You can still lock on in action mode the same as tab.

Ranged should have plenty of action skills too, they already have enough inherit advantages.

Apok

I would prefer the game get balanced around tab targeting for ranged even as a person who prefers NW style action combat over typical MMO tab targeting. people are going cheat, and aim bots will be a thing under action combat. Tab targeting is basically giving everyone an aimbot and balancing the game around that.

Pearfor

emphasizing only targeting or only non-targeting would not be the best idea for the developers. as far as I understand they are working on a hybrid combat system, which is a good solution as far as I'm concerned

Electronn

@MrKryptic337 Your thoughtful reflection on the development trajectory of Ashes of Creation strikes a chord with many of us eagerly anticipating its release. It's undeniable that combat mechanics play a pivotal role in shaping the overall gaming experience, and your concerns about the emphasis on tab target combat are valid.

Indeed, action combat offers a dynamic and immersive gameplay style that resonates with a significant portion of the gaming community. Its responsiveness and engagement can truly elevate the experience, adding a layer of excitement and skill-based gameplay that complements the immersive world-building and stunning visuals of Ashes of Creation.

As passionate followers of the game's development, it's crucial for us to voice our aspirations and concerns to the development team. They undoubtedly hold the key to shaping the final product, and understanding the community's expectations regarding combat is essential for delivering a game that resonates with all players.

The idea of implementing a hybrid combat system that seamlessly integrates both tab target and action elements is intriguing. Such an approach could potentially cater to a broader spectrum of players, offering flexibility and variety in gameplay styles. It's my hope that the development team is receptive to such suggestions and open to exploring innovative solutions to ensure that the combat mechanics of Ashes of Creation shine as brightly as the rest of the game.

Let's continue to engage in constructive dialogue and collectively work towards a gaming experience that fulfills the aspirations of the community. Together, we can help shape Ashes of Creation into a truly exceptional journey for all adventurers.

Safe travels and may your adventures be filled with excitement and wonder!

hleV

What is this, AI vs AI?

Solmyr

hleV wrote: »

What is this, AI vs AI?

You bring up a fascinating point regarding the potentially artificial content of this discussion. There are indeed several indicators which could point to these comments being generated by large language models, though it is important to note that these indicators alone are not proof in and of themselves.

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Sethz

When I see this, I get worried about the combat system - I liked BDO's combat system the most, followed by GW2 and ESO.
Having to use 27 binds for combat alone is not what combat should be in my opinion.

Tryol

In the trash 🗑️, where it belongs

Just realized I've already answered to this thread and someone just necro'd it.

Sauronplay

If this game fails in alpha 2, it will not be because of its content or its graphics or its well-polished systems, but it will be because of its combat system oriented to the tab target, since currently, combat action dominates in video games and is the future. It's a matter of seeing the souls, NW, BDO, etc. And all the games nowadays.

The only criticism I have of this game is its combat system oriented towards the tab target, it is horrible, that killed the hype for this game.

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