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Let's add a stamina cost to Jump and help keep the game prettier

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Endowed wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

It's mostly just something gamers do when they get bored.
adhdadhdadhd

True enough in pve and in safe zones.
Its mostly used otherwise in such pvp cases.

In tab target/soft lock?

.....

Endowed

George_Black wrote: »

Endowed wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

It's mostly just something gamers do when they get bored.
adhdadhdadhd

True enough in pve and in safe zones.
Its mostly used otherwise in such pvp cases.

In tab target/soft lock?

.....

Correct, in those cases it is not from boredom/adhd.
You are answering a different question/premise ["does it help?"].
I am directly speaking to what was posted.

Arya_Yeshe

How will we run the coolest jumping puzzles then? It will be a pain

Would be better let people jump as much as they want if they are well fed, but if they didnt even eat then they should slow down a little when they land

George_Black

Endowed wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

Endowed wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

It's mostly just something gamers do when they get bored.
adhdadhdadhd

True enough in pve and in safe zones.
Its mostly used otherwise in such pvp cases.

In tab target/soft lock?

.....

Correct, in those cases it is not from boredom/adhd.
You are answering a different question/premise ["does it help?"].
I am directly speaking to what was posted.

It's useless in AoC pvp.

Dygz

Endowed wrote: »

Correct, in those cases it is not from boredom/adhd.
You are answering a different question/premise.
I am directly speaking to what was posted.

George_Black is asking how bunny hopping helps vs tab target/soft lock.

George_Black

Dygz wrote: »

Endowed wrote: »

Correct, in those cases it is not from boredom/adhd.
You are answering a different question/premise.
I am directly speaking to what was posted.

George_Black is asking how bunny hopping helps vs tab target/soft lock.

Nope.

Endowed

Dygz wrote: »

Endowed wrote: »

Correct, in those cases it is not from boredom/adhd.
You are answering a different question/premise.
I am directly speaking to what was posted.

George_Black is asking how bunny hopping helps vs tab target/soft lock.

What I posted was directed at your statement.

They are NOT doing it for adhd/boredom during pvp.

Dygz

Endowed wrote: »

They are NOT doing it for adhd/boredom during pvp.

Yeah... I know you were directly answering my post.
And I was telling you that G_B was saying that it's useless in PvP - just in question form instead of as a statement.
What's the motivation for bunny hopping in PvP with tab-target/soft lock?

Solmyr

Dygz wrote: »

Endowed wrote: »

They are NOT doing it for adhd/boredom during pvp.

Yeah... I know you were directly answering my post.
And I was telling you that G_B was saying that it's useless in PvP - just in question form instead of as a statement.
What's the motivation for bunny hopping in PvP with tab-target/soft lock?

Looking closely at the node war stream, the bunny hopping Keenge was doing looks like it done to ensure he maintained line of sight on his targets when fighting around hills, rocks, and fences. We saw in the longbow showcase that arrows are blocked by obstacles, so spamming jump would make sure more of your shots hit.

Ruerik

Solmyr wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Endowed wrote: »

They are NOT doing it for adhd/boredom during pvp.

Yeah... I know you were directly answering my post.
And I was telling you that G_B was saying that it's useless in PvP - just in question form instead of as a statement.
What's the motivation for bunny hopping in PvP with tab-target/soft lock?

Looking closely at the node war stream, the bunny hopping Keenge was doing looks like it done to ensure he maintained line of sight on his targets when fighting around hills, rocks, and fences. We saw in the longbow showcase that arrows are blocked by obstacles, so spamming jump would make sure more of your shots hit.

Seems to me then, the solution is simple.

Leave unlimited jumping in the game for all the types that want to jump forever.
Instead, apply a significant accuracy and damage penalty to attacks or spells launched while in the air. And apply a significant critical hit boost from enemies attacking the jumping player.

After all, How many archers in the world can land all their shots while sprinting full speed and jumping in random directions?

daveywavey

Taerrik wrote: »

Solmyr wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Endowed wrote: »

They are NOT doing it for adhd/boredom during pvp.

Yeah... I know you were directly answering my post.
And I was telling you that G_B was saying that it's useless in PvP - just in question form instead of as a statement.
What's the motivation for bunny hopping in PvP with tab-target/soft lock?

Looking closely at the node war stream, the bunny hopping Keenge was doing looks like it done to ensure he maintained line of sight on his targets when fighting around hills, rocks, and fences. We saw in the longbow showcase that arrows are blocked by obstacles, so spamming jump would make sure more of your shots hit.

Seems to me then, the solution is simple.

Leave unlimited jumping in the game for all the types that want to jump forever.
Instead, apply a significant accuracy and damage penalty to attacks or spells launched while in the air. And apply a significant critical hit boost from enemies attacking the jumping player.

After all, How many archers in the world can land all their shots while sprinting full speed and jumping in random directions?

Just one! And he's freaking awesome, even without magic Essence.

GrizzlyRed

Just to preface this. I bunny hop unconsciously. Sorry if it bothers you. Just long runs are boring and its a button to press. Same as me killing every critter/mob on the way to my next spot.

But people saying it is some kind of skill advantage has me laughing so hard. When you jump in most mmos, you cannot change the direction you are moving, and you are moving at the same speed as running. So it is actually a disadvantage because you made your movement predictable. I don't get these people saying "just because you can't keep up with my movement!"; makes no sense.

Endowed

And besides, its so much fun to do 20 spin rotations before landing.

Khronus

George_Black wrote: »

Let's add a stamina cost to Jump and help keep the game prettier

I respectfully and whole-heartedly disagree with your suggestion. Let people jump and if it hurts your eyes to see people jumping in a game, I am sorry.

Khronus

hleV wrote: »

Simply make it so jumping slows you down a bit, so people won't bunny hop their whole way if they want to get somewhere faster.

What you are saying makes ZERO sense and in fact what you are suggesting is the cause of what you are wanting to prevent.

Letting people freely jump without any benefit or punishment to jumping let's the game be equal when it comes to jumping. Tab target turns jumping into merely.....a harmless jump.

Asking this team to implement some special rules to jumping (stamina costs, jump delays or debuffs, or whatever other silly things people come up with) are exactly what will cause players to find bugs that give them those benefits you fear.

Run speed debuff from jumping? Maybe a bunny hop will bypass this if you jump at precisely the right time. This is how it worked in other games.

Reduces your stamina to jump? So now jumping is a punishment because jumping prevents you from running for max distance so now when people jump while playing in a competitive guild, they get yelled at..........FOR JUMPING.

Let people jump freely. It's insane to me that this is even being discussed. I know the game is taking forever to be released but man.....did we run out of important topics to discuss?

Ruerik

Khronus wrote: »

Letting people freely jump without any benefit or punishment to jumping let's the game be equal when it comes to jumping. Tab target turns jumping into merely.....a harmless jump.

Except based on current implementation in the alpha (which will hopefully change!) Jumping actually gives a large benefit.

Currently, because of the path of projectiles may collide with terrain.

This means that, as a player fighting in a large encounter, you can position yourself in a way that gives you terrain protection from enemy ranged players. This should be rewarded, its good tactical play! In other game genre's its called 'cover'

But with the way jumping is implemented, the range player can just spam jump, and the projectiles will nicely go over that cover.

The jumping player logically ought to be allowed to do this, but it should have some cost or risk to make that benefit, to overcome the enemy cover.

Noaani

Taerrik wrote: »

But with the way jumping is implemented, the range player can just spam jump, and the projectiles will nicely go over that cover.

This isn't anything to do with how jumping is implemented, it is to do with how projectiles are implemented.

CROW3

Careful, the devs may allow jumping to recharge mana.

Your world may end.

nanfoodle

Just hopping in to say hi. Time to hop out. Later!

Noaani

CROW3 wrote: »

Careful, the devs may allow jumping to recharge mana.

Your world may end.

That would be amazing.

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