The A2 Revealed

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Aszkalon

RocketFarmer wrote: »

We’ll learn more on 8/16.

Amen to that. I hope it will be a very worthfile and informing Stream.

Faimith

Spif wrote: »

Faimith wrote: »

Exactly the reason why I'm disappointed by Intrepid. Why not just tell us the reasons for the delay? It won't hurt us.

No, but it might hurt them. There's only so much detail that they should give out, because some people will attack any reason.

The delay could be because of the new lighting. It could be because streamers want more time to chew on WoW/T&L before moving to Ashes. It could be because they want to finish a 2nd/3rd design pass on all classes that will be in A2

It might be none of those 3, but 5 other reasons.

Thanks for your response. I completely agree that sharing too much detail could potentially lead to backlash, but I also believe that the community deserves transparency, especially when many of us have financially supported the project through the pre-order packs and other means.

Most of us are not here to attack Intrepid but to support and believe in the project. We understand that game development is complex and often faces unforeseen challenges. Clear and honest communication about delays or changes can help maintain the trust and support that we’ve built over time.

By explaining the reasons behind the delay, Intrepid can help manage our expectations and prevent unnecessary speculation and frustration. It's not about avoiding negative reactions but about showing respect for the community that has been there since the beginning.

Ultimately, we’re all here because we want Ashes of Creation to be the best it can be. Transparency and open communication are key to maintaining a strong and supportive community.

RazThemun

Remember when people were wishing for Jan 2024? Wishful thinking! I am not surprised of this coming Q4 2024 or even Q1 of 2025.

Kilion

Personally, I am not too disappointed, but I 100% understand why others are. Like many pointed out, it can be kinda frustrating that until the very last moment Intrepid did tell us "we are very optimistic that we can hit Q3" which in light of the history of far-off calls feels a bit like a repition of past mistakes.
Not sure if communication with the community has become worse because Maragret possibly being in the process of stepping back for the birth of her child (understandable), overhype on the side of Intrepid to getting close the next "big step" and having misjudged the crunch they'd have to do or some other reason.

Again, for me the delay is not too frustrating or disappointing (kinda expected it tbh), but I can see why this is a bad look for them as a company and why people much longer involved with the project would be taken aback by this.

It might be a good and important step to start the August 16th stream with clarifying what led to this and reestablish the transparency with the community.

tautau

I think it was good of them to tell us when they did, rather than stringing it out and waiting until late September to let us know.

They let us know when they knew...just the kind of good behavior we hope for.

patrick68794

tautau wrote: »

I think it was good of them to tell us when they did, rather than stringing it out and waiting until late September to let us know.

They let us know when they knew...just the kind of good behavior we hope for.

Agreed, and really the reason doesn't matter for the community. Knowing if it was because of a major bug they found or if it's because of optimization issues or simply just because they aren't going to have the server infrastructure in-place through AWS doesn't do anything for the community. In the end it all just comes down to "the game wasn't going to be ready in time" and that's all that actually matters.

Faimith

I’m feeling a bit let down by Intrepid after the latest stream. While I appreciate their dedication, the announcement of different phases for Alpha 2 was unexpected. According to the wiki, Alpha-2 was supposed to be the "persistent alpha," with servers up 24/7 until launch. Intrepid always emphasizes communication, so it would’ve been helpful if they had mentioned these phases earlier, maybe when they announced the month last stream.

I’ll still play through all the phases, but I can see how some might be frustrated that they won’t be able to play as they intended. Sure, it’s an alpha and meant for testing, but people did pay for it. The limited playtimes could also mean massive server loads, potentially making it hard to play or test the game in the first place—though maybe that’s intended for testing purposes.

Primarch001

I expected end of October ever since Throne and Liberty release date was revealed.

WHIT3ROS3

They should never have announced the Q3 Alpha 2 date. They should have continued development across this year and then announced it at the end of the year for Q2 of 2025. They are breaking a straightforward rule. Under-promise and over-deliver. They are over-promising and they will not be able to deliver.

People do not understand what "True Alpha" means. After all this time and a million statements, people are STILL talking about "playing the game" in October.

They are sailing into incredibly choppy waters and the project will be crucified over the coming months.

Aszkalon

I didn't watch all of the LiveStream a few Hours ago ... ...

... ... ... did they Announce a certain Date in October ?

If not - then i guess we will have to wait until the End of this Month, or the End of September.

RocketFarmer

Road map feels just right. Although Phase 3 could be a five year mission exploring strange new worlds and civilizations.

Azherae

Aszkalon wrote: »

I didn't watch all of the LiveStream a few Hours ago ... ...

... ... ... did they Announce a certain Date in October ?

If not - then i guess we will have to wait until the End of this Month, or the End of September.

October 25th.

RocketFarmer

10/25. Now the question will be what time. Guess for some if it’s after 8:00 PM Pacific time, then it’s all a scam.

Smaashley

Aszkalon wrote: »

I didn't watch all of the LiveStream a few Hours ago ... ...

... ... ... did they Announce a certain Date in October ?

If not - then i guess we will have to wait until the End of this Month, or the End of September.

October 25th.

Aszkalon

Thanks, Guys. I appreciate it.

Khronus

Aszkalon wrote: »

Mfcrackers wrote: »

I am not mad ... ... ... I'm just disappointed.

Can Someone Please give us at least the Reason ? " Why " is it delayed ?

Is it Bugs ?
Is it the Engine itself ?

Is there a Problem with creating the Biomes ?
Is there a Problem with the Node System ? The Classes ? The different Weathers or four different Seasons ?

Questions over Questions.

And Yes - i edited your Comment a little bit in this Quote to better fit the legendary Meme.

And the other Question is also still legit and remains.

If it wouldn't have been delayed ... ... ... ... ... WHAT* , Please - was the exactly planned Date for the Start of Alpha Two ? I can not imagine that i am the only One who is curious about that.

Some Answer like : " Never. Because in the End it got pushed back into Quarter Four. " doesn't count.

Why does this matter to anyone? We have a timeline and even still it may be delayed. I get that we are all excited for this game but come on, let them develop it properly. How many times does Sharif need to go onto twitch to tell you he wants to release the best possible product he can release before people understand why anything is delayed.

Blip

I have to say I agree with OP. I did not expect much, but I did expect the servers to be online 24/7.I feel a bit cheated.

I’m looking forward to getting hands-on and testing, but I have a bad taste about this. The phases were NEVER mentioned anywhere, and they just dropped it like this. I am a bit annoyed at best.

The real promised Alpha 2 is in May 2025.If they keep this up, I’m losing all faith in Intrepid and Steven.

Caeryl

Getting the inkling I'm one of a tiny handful who aren't surprised by the restricted access for the start of Alpha2. A 3:4 ratio to start out isn't fun, but it's not supposed to be for fun. It's so things can be tested, adjusted, and retested on repeat so that it'll be mostly persistent by Jan of 2025. (All in all, quick timeline for a semi-persistent Alpha state)

Alpha2 is not going to be playable at the start, it's gonna have some wild bugs and it's going to need a lot of work for the new features and general combat balancing and ensuring the servers can handle people doing weird things.

Dygz

Faimith wrote: »

Also, I think Intrepid could have just posted in the forums or on social channels that Alpha 2 will not hit Q3 because of said reasons. But going from one stream telling us that they are on track for Q3 to another saying they will miss Q3 without giving reasons is just not the right way. They always communicated well with the community, but I feel it has gotten worse over time.

Maybe I just inhaled too much copium, who knows. Just wishing for the truth; we can handle it.

A delay of one month from an evaluation 7 months earlier is pretty good for game development.
Brian said he hoped things would go well enough that he would be able to give a date for A2 the following month. Again… getting the date 6 weeks later is pretty good.
Not much need of a Forum post when prepared and shared an hours-long discussion.

Can’t please all of the people all of the time.

Dygz

WHIT3ROS3 wrote: »

They should never have announced the Q3 Alpha 2 date. They should have continued development across this year and then announced it at the end of the year for Q2 of 2025. They are breaking a straightforward rule. Under-promise and over-deliver. They are over-promising and they will not be able to deliver.

People do not understand what "True Alpha" means. After all this time and a million statements, people are STILL talking about "playing the game" in October.

They are sailing into incredibly choppy waters and the project will be crucified over the coming months.

Steven is a gamer who has not yet released a finished game. Lots of learning to be had.
He’s kind of bi-polar with high optimism and perfectionism.
He’s both very eager to let us explore the game world and also reluctant to show us “crap”.

There’s always going to be delays.
Pretty much the first thing gamers learn when they join their first dev team.

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