Not really feeling the whole front flip Dwarfs...

I understand Intrepid is taking its own direction on races and lore for Ashes...Perhaps not trying to fall into fantasy tropes or intellectual property thresholds.

But logically speaking I don't feel a mountain carving and tunneling race (Dünir) would jump flip... "Stoic and stout" seems more rotund, staunch and stocky... a 'regular' jump with perhaps a dodge roll seems a better fit.

(Verbal NDA lifted personal experience alpha tester, So actual hands on impression of the race as it currently being offered)

The islander dwarfs/halflings (Niküa) might seem fine with such athleticism.

I hope Intreprid might already have such details in the pipeline but just not implemented yet.

If not I hope they might reconsider the Jump Flip for mountain dorfs...

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Sengarden

Zhale wrote: »

So I guess for me it's less of a racial thing and more of a "bro you're wearing your weight in steel" thing, I can see Dwarven rogue classes etc doing flips

I was gonna comment something here about how jump flair could be class-based rather than race-based, but I couldn't come up with enough variations lol

Caeryl

Lore concerns aside (and huge agree, it doesn’t make any sense for Dunïr to be jumping like that) it just looks ridiculous from a purely visual standpoint.

I realize it’s high fantasy but I don’t enjoy cartoony animations when the aesthetic style is aimed at being realistic

Neox365

It's quite exciting to see the diverse opinions from the people here.

Uncommon Sense

Lets hypothetical and try to make this Fantasy a fictional success and not a flip and flop...

If the Dunir (Stereotypical mountain fantasy dwarfs) Are not hole digging mountain climbers...Which they by all accounts should be.

And are more like free running parkour advocates, Not even the best Parkour athletes front flip up objects...They occasionally flip down to add flourish, but mostly they roll and tumble when landing after a larger jump...

So the argument that a flip adds height is bogus unless you intend to land on your head. At multiple times during the Bard livesteam when Brain F the Dunir jump up an object only to hitch the flip animation which look weird, as if to say gravity and friction stops and the flip must complete irrespective of terrain height.

Flipping up objects no matter how you try and justify it is just stupid.

At this point it is still an in house joke...

I hope it gets put on the shelf like APOC and the battle pass...

I'd rather have normal jumping dwarfs and crossbows or even the potion launchers than the persistent front flips...

The Vek are star gazers. The Dunir a crotch lookers both themselves and others at this point.

Lodrig

As someone who always plays Dwarves I have no problem with Flips, though I think they could be made less 'Sonic the Hedgehog' like by being more or a roll as was shown in earlier development.

Dygz

Pretty sure it's possible to stoic while performing Acrobatics.
"Stoic: a person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining."
I dunno why those two concepts would be inherently mutually exclusive.

AyeveeGaming11

Dygz wrote: »

Pretty sure it's possible to stoic while performing Acrobatics.
"Stoic: a person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining."
I dunno why those two concepts would be inherently mutually exclusive.

Doing flips is showing feeling. Probably happiness, or ants in the pants, but it shows some kind of emotion.

Liniker

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

Well at this stage of development and their recent Bard Livestream, It seems to me that Intrepid has doubled down on the Dunir doing flip jumps...give the 3 year gap between the rework to the model they would have had time to re evaluate the mobility aspect and agree whether or not it is lore appropriate...

Some of us don't feel it is mountain dwarf behavior ...Others seem to justify it as cool but nonsensical.

Having purchased dwarven specific cosmetics, with the original mindset of playing Dunir...

I am now having to rethink my character choice due to the flip jump...I understand some players are fine with it...
I am not one those players. So after my time with Alpha 2 testing I will come to conclusion after hands on testing.

If it was perhaps a toggle-able cosmetic ability modifyer so that the player could chose on/off flips?

I realize this might seem petty to some people...But It s kind of important to enjoy playing something if that avatar is played for 100-1000-10000+ hours.

Might go with Vek just to troll myself...

I like the dunir flip

Dygz

AyeveeGaming wrote: »

Doing flips is showing feeling. Probably happiness, or ants in the pants, but it shows some kind of emotion.

Flips shows as much feeling a running or jumping without flips.
Running could also indicate ants in the pants.
Ants in the pants does not necessarily have anything to do with emotion. Just as running is not inherently about emotion.

Barab

Where was the beard on BrianF's Dunir ?

Uncommon Sense

How can I put this Dygz, so that your old man rocking chair perspective might grasp without falling off the porch. Then trying to make a rebuttable or then blaming ants in the pants or a broken rocking chair for your gaff...

Flipping Dwarves (Dunir) is Basically Intrepid's Jar Jar Binks Star Wars moment.

Feel free to flip jump back up onto the porch if you believe its possible without assistance ....

And don't even think about using young Yoda flip fighting as a plausible reason flip jumping makes perfect sense as that uses a MacGuffin "the force" ergo "because magic". Old Yoda would never approve anyway...

which further emphasizes why Dwarfs are the least appropriate race for acrobatics or spell assisted mobility excuses.

Look I understand why some people might like flip jumping. But pick any race other than a preconceived dwarf.

Hence why I originally in the way back machine advocated for the Nikua to get all the acrobatics...As it made the most plausible case for it to "make sense"

Dunir dwarfs are plain and simple and unpretentious ...like porridge/oatmeal, bread cheese and a tankard of ale.

Not fruit loops or snap crackle pop cereal

AyeveeGaming11

Dygz wrote: »

AyeveeGaming wrote: »

Doing flips is showing feeling. Probably happiness, or ants in the pants, but it shows some kind of emotion.

Flips shows as much feeling a running or jumping without flips.
Running could also indicate ants in the pants.
Ants in the pants does not necessarily have anything to do with emotion. Just as running is not inherently about emotion.

This is your subjective opinion. I have mine. Flipping has no meaning what so ever unless you are doing gymnastics. Standing around in a group just flipping is an act of emotion. Boredom, excitement, being annoying, or what ever. No one just flips while standing in a group that is not doing anything. Don't even say role play, Dwarves do not flip.

Uncommon Sense

Barab wrote: »

Where was the beard on BrianF's Dunir ?

The Reason BrianF's Dunir beard was missing is because he had to shave it as it was getting in the way from his jump flips...

Hinotori

daveywavey wrote: »

Presumably it's so that they can still jump the same distance as the other races, despite being half their size. Would you prefer to have your Dwarfs only be able to jump half the distance of other races?

Perhaps a dwarven toss is in order.

Dygz

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

Feel free to flip jump back up onto the porch if you believe its possible without assistance ....

I have never practiced or learned to forward flip - even in my teens.
But, I could still do floor tricks in my Hip Hop class at age 55.
Again - stoicism is irrelevant.

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

And don't even think about using young Yoda flip fighting as a plausible reason flip jumping makes perfect sense as that uses a MacGuffin "the force" ergo "because magic". Old Yoda would never approve anyway...

Yoda is not a Dünir. Apparently, true Dünir revere flipping.
We'll have to see if the same applies to Niküa.
So far, it appears to be a cultural aesthetic on a world with High Magic.
So, yeah... they are assisted by magic.

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

which further emphasizes why Dwarfs are the least appropriate race for acrobatics or spell assisted mobility excuses.

Empasizes nothing except your bias.

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

Look I understand why some people might like flip jumping. But pick any race other than a preconceived dwarf.

Hence why I originally in the way back machine advocated for the Nikua to get all the acrobatics...As it made the most plausible case for it to "make sense"

If Dunir can flip, it makes sense for Dünir to flip.
Cultural behaviors are not always 100% logical.

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

Dunir dwarfs are plain and simple and unpretentious ...like porridge/oatmeal, bread cheese and a tankard of ale. Not fruit loops or snap crackle pop cereal

Apparently, Dünir, plain and simple, revere flipping. And are not as white bread and porridge/oatmeal as you assumed. They seemingly like a bit of spice, too. We shall see.
I dunno where you got unpretentious from.

Dygz

AyeveeGaming wrote: »

This is your subjective opinion. I have mine. Flipping has no meaning what so ever unless you are doing gymnastics. Standing around in a group just flipping is an act of emotion. Boredom, excitement, being annoying, or what ever. No one just flips while standing in a group that is not doing anything. Don't even say role play, Dwarves do not flip.

LMAO
That is your cultural bias.
Apparently, Dünir do not agree with you.

AyeveeGaming11

Dygz wrote: »

AyeveeGaming wrote: »

This is your subjective opinion. I have mine. Flipping has no meaning what so ever unless you are doing gymnastics. Standing around in a group just flipping is an act of emotion. Boredom, excitement, being annoying, or what ever. No one just flips while standing in a group that is not doing anything. Don't even say role play, Dwarves do not flip.

LMAO
That is your cultural bias.
Apparently, Dünir do not agree with you.

you sure like making stuff up lol. Standard Dwarven race protocol is not cultural bias, its preserving culture. You are the one pushing to change it. The Dünir speak for themselves on this. And they have stated they are not in favor of it.

Ludullu

AyeveeGaming wrote: »

The Dünir speak for themselves on this. And they have stated they are not in favor of it.

I'll be a Dunir and I spoke for myself. I need the flip to be in the game.

AyeveeGaming11

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

AyeveeGaming wrote: »

The Dünir speak for themselves on this. And they have stated they are not in favor of it.

I'll be a Dunir and I spoke for myself. I need the flip to be in the game.

Yes, you are, but most of the Dwarven guilds do not.

Ludullu

AyeveeGaming wrote: »

Yes, you are, but most of the Dwarven guilds do not.

And not all things should be done according to the majority, just as a lot of Ashes designs go directly against what the majority of mmo players would prefer - the flips might go against what majority of dwarves want. But it is what it is, and the flips stay

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