Ravicus wrote: » Ya, I'm really not trying to argue or disagree with you. All of htis has been stated repeatedly. My point is the image and the reputation for the game. I just hope people understand how it looks to people that are just hearing about the game.
George_Black wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Ambivalent/don't care. When my friends and I jumped in to support this game, we saw some signs and made some assumptions about what type of game it was going to be. We're not the simplistic type that just go 'yeah! give us all the good things and none of the bad things!' because games don't work like that. They gotta make choices about implementation. And some of those choices will upset some people because they "weren't clear about the intentions from the start". So I care if Ashes succeeds for the sake of the devs and for the sake of all the people who want to play this very specific implementation, but I barely want to, and the way they handle things lately annoys me/us immensely. You gotta take into account the number of people who have been 'burned' by things Intrepid brought to the table later and just don't care anymore. Some of us still want to help, but that only goes so far. None of what you have said, ever, made sense. You are a crystal clear example of people with ego and time to spare, both in abundance. And some people in this category turn hostile as soon as something that (their mind falsesly perceives as wrong) Intrepid does. That goes against their, weird I would add, views. Yall forget that you are just potential customers. You are not advisers, you are not devs and you barely make for people with good feedback. Know your place. Time and again I have seen topics and titles that are counter productive. Barely anyone discusses interesting ideas related to gameplay and design (within the core pillars), it's just demands and condemnations. Cant wait for closed A2 forum sections.
Azherae wrote: » Ambivalent/don't care. When my friends and I jumped in to support this game, we saw some signs and made some assumptions about what type of game it was going to be. We're not the simplistic type that just go 'yeah! give us all the good things and none of the bad things!' because games don't work like that. They gotta make choices about implementation. And some of those choices will upset some people because they "weren't clear about the intentions from the start". So I care if Ashes succeeds for the sake of the devs and for the sake of all the people who want to play this very specific implementation, but I barely want to, and the way they handle things lately annoys me/us immensely. You gotta take into account the number of people who have been 'burned' by things Intrepid brought to the table later and just don't care anymore. Some of us still want to help, but that only goes so far.
Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » Ya, I'm really not trying to argue or disagree with you. All of htis has been stated repeatedly. My point is the image and the reputation for the game. I just hope people understand how it looks to people that are just hearing about the game. But here's the fun question though. Would this "image and reputation" be better if Intrepid did better after all the feedback, instead of just kneejerking reactions every time? We all want the game and the devs to succeed, otherwise we wouldn't be here (at least the oldtimers). But saying that "the feedback has been given, you should stop", to me, sounds like "I've hit that person, it's known, stop telling everyone what I did or I'll get a bad rep". Shouldn't have hit a person if you're scared of bad rep.
Ravicus wrote: » We had hype and momentum going into A2 showcase, now its everyone spitting fire, raging against the machine.
Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » We had hype and momentum going into A2 showcase, now its everyone spitting fire, raging against the machine. And I wish that hype continued. And none of that came directly from complainers, because complainers could only react to what Intrepid was doing. I'm still hyped for A2. I'll still be there on day one sitting in a queue waiting for the broken servers to come back up. I'll still shower Intrepid with a ton of feedback on anything they ask me to test. As Crow said, this will blowover soon, just as all previous "dramas" have.
Ravicus wrote: » Hopefully your beta issue is/will be addressed soon.
Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » Hopefully your beta issue is/will be addressed soon. Nah, I'm too small of a niche to care about in this context. There's maybe a few dozen people out there with giveaway A2 keys and ONLY B2 bundles. If even dozens It's a very very precise combination of things.
Ravicus wrote: » If you can't get it, I have extra beta keys from Kickstart and I could gift you one.
Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » If you can't get it, I have extra beta keys from Kickstart and I could gift you one. Nah, give it to someone who has no access at all. I'll upgrade sooner or later. My tinfoil hat makes me believe that Intrepid will resell Beta keys in the future so they might do the same trick with beta upgrades too
Ravicus wrote: » mfckingjoker wrote: » I don't believe anybody that is here on these forums reading and writing posts wants this game to fail. Maybe some people are negative by nature Most likely, but imagine if you where new and came here to check out the game. After reading these threads would you want to play it? After watching asmongold or narc? Sure does not paint a pretty picture.
mfckingjoker wrote: » I don't believe anybody that is here on these forums reading and writing posts wants this game to fail. Maybe some people are negative by nature
Azherae wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Ambivalent/don't care. When my friends and I jumped in to support this game, we saw some signs and made some assumptions about what type of game it was going to be. We're not the simplistic type that just go 'yeah! give us all the good things and none of the bad things!' because games don't work like that. They gotta make choices about implementation. And some of those choices will upset some people because they "weren't clear about the intentions from the start". So I care if Ashes succeeds for the sake of the devs and for the sake of all the people who want to play this very specific implementation, but I barely want to, and the way they handle things lately annoys me/us immensely. You gotta take into account the number of people who have been 'burned' by things Intrepid brought to the table later and just don't care anymore. Some of us still want to help, but that only goes so far. None of what you have said, ever, made sense. You are a crystal clear example of people with ego and time to spare, both in abundance. And some people in this category turn hostile as soon as something that (their mind falsesly perceives as wrong) Intrepid does. That goes against their, weird I would add, views. Yall forget that you are just potential customers. You are not advisers, you are not devs and you barely make for people with good feedback. Know your place. Time and again I have seen topics and titles that are counter productive. Barely anyone discusses interesting ideas related to gameplay and design (within the core pillars), it's just demands and condemnations. Cant wait for closed A2 forum sections. I so don't see how closed A2 forums sections helps since I'd just be in those too? But once again I will remind you, in the vain hope it does something... I am here because a group of people 'sent me here', to be the voice for them. So yes, I babble on because I have the time to spare, and the 'ego', in abundance. That's the 'job'. This, therefore, is my place. You can continue to go 'no one cares about anything that any of this group of people has to say' until the Verran cows come home, but I'm gonna do what I've been asked to do.
Nobody sent you here. There is no group. You dont perform a task. You kill time.
Ace1234 wrote: » Nobody sent you here. There is no group. You dont perform a task. You kill time. George your a troll lol. Azherae's group members have already made themselves known and literally post on like every dev topic thread. (a)Azherae What specifically does your group feel so misled/disappointed about and why do you feel like it won't change as a part of Intrepid's attempt at meeting the original goals/expectations set?
You and I have discussed this before though, probably in that Micro vs Macro thread.
Ace1234 wrote: » @Azherae You and I have discussed this before though, probably in that Micro vs Macro thread. Oh thats right lol, was wondering why I felt deja vu there for a sec. So those nerdy nitpicks are enough to make you not want to play the game entirely? Seems like if its that much of a nitpick then you actually do like the game or at least more than other ones on the market. But, maybe im forgeting the context from our other convo you referenced so ill have to relook that over.
George_Black wrote: » Azherae wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Ambivalent/don't care. When my friends and I jumped in to support this game, we saw some signs and made some assumptions about what type of game it was going to be. We're not the simplistic type that just go 'yeah! give us all the good things and none of the bad things!' because games don't work like that. They gotta make choices about implementation. And some of those choices will upset some people because they "weren't clear about the intentions from the start". So I care if Ashes succeeds for the sake of the devs and for the sake of all the people who want to play this very specific implementation, but I barely want to, and the way they handle things lately annoys me/us immensely. You gotta take into account the number of people who have been 'burned' by things Intrepid brought to the table later and just don't care anymore. Some of us still want to help, but that only goes so far. None of what you have said, ever, made sense. You are a crystal clear example of people with ego and time to spare, both in abundance. And some people in this category turn hostile as soon as something that (their mind falsesly perceives as wrong) Intrepid does. That goes against their, weird I would add, views. Yall forget that you are just potential customers. You are not advisers, you are not devs and you barely make for people with good feedback. Know your place. Time and again I have seen topics and titles that are counter productive. Barely anyone discusses interesting ideas related to gameplay and design (within the core pillars), it's just demands and condemnations. Cant wait for closed A2 forum sections. I so don't see how closed A2 forums sections helps since I'd just be in those too? But once again I will remind you, in the vain hope it does something... I am here because a group of people 'sent me here', to be the voice for them. So yes, I babble on because I have the time to spare, and the 'ego', in abundance. That's the 'job'. This, therefore, is my place. You can continue to go 'no one cares about anything that any of this group of people has to say' until the Verran cows come home, but I'm gonna do what I've been asked to do. Nobody sent you here. There is no group. You dont perform a task. You kill time.
Used to like the Combat Direction, now think it sucks. Used to believe there was gonna be some dynamism and Actiony Combat, now don't believe in that AND hate the Mass PvP style being favored (as opposed to the ones from before) Used to believe the econ/caravan systems would be really fun, now there is not a Glint of Hope for that. Used to think PvE and PvP were going to coexist proper, but it's Open Seas (on) that too. Used to believe that Freeholds were gonna be amazing even when shared, but nah. Used to believe Corruption would manage to make certain things not a shitshow, no longer think that. Used to expect good build dynamism, stats, itemization, might still get it but who cares, could just play a close equivalent. Used to believe that when Intrepid showed off something and Steven went into his rants of how amazing and special and unique it was, it wasn't just because Steven has only played jank MMOs OR that he was trying to upsell simple features to people who did, now try to have no opinion on that and just move on. Blah blah. Someone offers you two competing products, one with the lesser flaws for your preferences, wins, simple capitalism.
