LaZzIsFree wrote: » Githal wrote: » obviously you are clueless and write for the sake of writing without making any research. Those who bought the 250$ keys before start testing on 25 October. THe keys that are sold now are with earliest start date of 8 November. This means you have 6 days head start. i am totally aware ... that i am supposed to get TWO FREAKING WEEKENDS in earlier .... that is like NOTHING to me ... that doesnt even count as "earlier" ..... that is laughable after all the risk and wating time .... i waited for about 5 years at this point some others did even wait longer .. ... 2 weekends arnt nearly enough ... 2 months ... i would still complain ... but maybe wouldnt be spamming in forums ... 2 weekends ? that shows that they KNOW it is shady not to give us access first ... but all we get is 2 weekends .... that is even more shady than no access at all, then they could at least pretend they didnt know .... so they are aware that it would be shady not to give us earlier access and still wont give us more than 2 weekends ?!?!?! ... dang that feels like a gut punch and an uppercut to finish us off ... lol
Githal wrote: » obviously you are clueless and write for the sake of writing without making any research. Those who bought the 250$ keys before start testing on 25 October. THe keys that are sold now are with earliest start date of 8 November. This means you have 6 days head start.
Githal wrote: » Most early starts of games from founder packs and ect are for about 2-3 days. You get 6 so its kinda a lot. the pack contained a lot skins,
LaZzIsFree wrote: » Githal wrote: » Most early starts of games from founder packs and ect are for about 2-3 days. You get 6 so its kinda a lot. the pack contained a lot skins, you are just talkin out of your arse lad.... first you give NOT ONE example of your : "pretty much every game that had a expensive backer pre order that included early access only get spot tests before everyone else gets access way cheaper" you are just making up excuses lad ... STEVEN HIMSELF WROTE next to the prize tag persistent Alpha 2..... HE doubled down in an interview that THIS MEANS 24/7 ACCESS TO THE SERVERS so HE set those expectations Now Every Beta backer can get cheaper Alpha 2 access than A2 OG backers .....SAME DAY... Additionally the key buyers only have to wait 6 freaking days without all the waiting we had to endure nor is their risk as big .... ..... second they never had any prices attached to those cosmetics so you can only assume the price of them , so dont tell me a single cosmetic is worth 20 bucks lol .... that is an estimation you make that you pulled out of your arse ... thats something i dont value as high... and additionally, you cant actually know what is purchasable for ember .... maybe those cosmetics all suck and noone cares about them... so its only cometics too after all ... not something thats crazy high value ... especially now that the game is not even launched... ... so the only thing that is somewhat tengable is the game time .... and after 8 years of dev time they are about to get into ALPHA 2 ......that is most likely to go on for at least 1 year in phase 3 ... and thats something i wont believe ... i will say that maybe 10% of the game is finished, if everything on their roadmap actually is done as we enter phase 3 ... i dont believe that for one second after this shitshow, that they actually deliver anything in time lol... so i guess we will need about 5 years till launch if "launch" actually happens when everything that was promised is done .... and i dont believe that for a second though.... i guess he cant wait that long and will "launch" the game when he needs the 15$ a month ... and the game at that point will still lack MOST of promised features ... dont defend this mess with some made up excuses lad ... its just terrible that he didnt give us(og backers) access before opening sales again ... i dont care how broken or unfinished this mess is ... i want access before anyone who didnt take the risk or didnt buy og aplha 2 access ... and not only freaking days .... wtf ..... OG alpha 2 was delayed again ... it will start in may .... these spot tests before the alpha 2 launch are cool and i really will enjoy them ... im happy that we dont have to wait till og alpha 2 is launched .... BUT DONT CALL THIS SHIT ALPHA 2 ..... dont piss on my leg and call it rain
LaZzIsFree wrote: » a big long chunk of shite
daveywavey wrote: » LaZzIsFree wrote: » a big long chunk of shite You just need to let this one go. People asked for more Alpha-2 keys, and Intrepid provided. They can pick their own prices, and they have done. People are paying those prices. You are in a very small minority of people that seem to have got waaaay too butthurt about this. Maybe take a small break. Come back again in a few weeks. Get yourself some clarity and perspective.
Myosotys wrote: » daveywavey wrote: » LaZzIsFree wrote: » a big long chunk of shite You just need to let this one go. People asked for more Alpha-2 keys, and Intrepid provided. They can pick their own prices, and they have done. People are paying those prices. You are in a very small minority of people that seem to have got waaaay too butthurt about this. Maybe take a small break. Come back again in a few weeks. Get yourself some clarity and perspective. I think this answer is invalid. The question we need to ask ourselves is: would the people who feel they are being treated unfavorably have bought Cosmetics Packs if the product had been presented in a different way? The exclusive character referred to a limited period of time is distorted and could constitute grounds for deception. If the OP seems to be reacting emotionally, we must not impose an emotional solution but a legal one. For the OP, I would advise you to: 1. Gather a group of potential victims of the same or similar harm. 2. Attempt to resolve the problem peacefully, by requesting compensation in a signed e-mail to Intrepid. This reparation may take the form of a refund, but Intrepid will certainly propose a solution that avoids impacting its cash flow. 3. If nothing is done or you are not satisfied with the compensation, take legal action. This is a complicated process, particularly in view of the multiple elements of extraterritoriality. But complicated doesn't mean impossible and the company's HQ in California (to be verified) allows for a large number of appeals without necessarily spending a lot of money, as is often imagined. 4. It is also possible to report Intrepid to the European authorities on the grounds of pentential violations of certain directives relating to consumer rights and corporate duty of diligence/transparency (regardless of the country in which they are based).
Mag7spy wrote: » We really going down this rabbit hole. Im to lazy to start doing law debates on this forum.
NiTr08 wrote: » Honestly, it feels like you guys are trying to cash in early on the hype AoC has generated over the years. If you wanted more players to test your game, there were plenty of ways to do that without charging $100+ just to playtest. I get that you're not a big-budget AAA studio, but these Alpha 2 keys feel pretty scummy, especially coming from a company that was started because MMORPGs were full of these exact kinds of scummy moves. For those who want to defend this $100+ alpha access, go ahead—give me a solid reason. Right now, it feels like, "Hey, let's make some quick cash off of these desperate MMO players. Hahaha!" (cue Steven laughing maniacally). And to the inevitable "yOu dOnT hAvE to support this, plenty of good games out there" crowd, let me just say: I've watched every single livestream since the Unreal 5 reveal, spent way too much time on the wiki, and haunted the Discord like a ghost. Also, let's be real most games out there suck. Finally, I think only Phase 3 keys should've been sold, and they should've been cheaper, or at least bundled with something that gives access to the betas too.
Myosotys wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » We really going down this rabbit hole. Im to lazy to start doing law debates on this forum. I mean there are dozens of topics about the same thing. So let the guys make a group and take actions instead of flooding the forum. Sometimes there are some ways of protesting much more efficient than screaming in the street.
arkileo wrote: » NiTr08 wrote: » Honestly, it feels like you guys are trying to cash in early on the hype AoC has generated over the years. If you wanted more players to test your game, there were plenty of ways to do that without charging $100+ just to playtest. I get that you're not a big-budget AAA studio, but these Alpha 2 keys feel pretty scummy, especially coming from a company that was started because MMORPGs were full of these exact kinds of scummy moves. For those who want to defend this $100+ alpha access, go ahead—give me a solid reason. Right now, it feels like, "Hey, let's make some quick cash off of these desperate MMO players. Hahaha!" (cue Steven laughing maniacally). And to the inevitable "yOu dOnT hAvE to support this, plenty of good games out there" crowd, let me just say: I've watched every single livestream since the Unreal 5 reveal, spent way too much time on the wiki, and haunted the Discord like a ghost. Also, let's be real most games out there suck. Finally, I think only Phase 3 keys should've been sold, and they should've been cheaper, or at least bundled with something that gives access to the betas too. The keys do give access to beta, Steven clarified that yesterday. Seems like there was some confusion on their end. https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/1euy7q1/clarifying_a2_keys_announcement/ When Beta starts, the Alpha 2 servers will live concurrently alongside the Beta servers. Players who own Alpha 2 keys (including the new phase keys) will also have access to the Beta servers. You could defend it by pointing out the length of the alpha (More than 1 year), and that servers aren't free. This is a ChatGPT answer so take it with a grain of salt, but it estimates a cost of $25-$70 per player per year in costs like server hosting, bandwidth, maintenance, security, and customer service. By buying a key you're supporting the development of the game. Keep in mind that they don't have a constant revenue stream yet, money from previous packages is likely long gone, so cash to keep the lights on is coming out of Steven and John's pockets.
When Beta starts, the Alpha 2 servers will live concurrently alongside the Beta servers. Players who own Alpha 2 keys (including the new phase keys) will also have access to the Beta servers.
Nemeses wrote: » This, I've said it before, these guys are milking players, think they know there is tons of money to be made by pushing back the release as well, they can get another 100 sets out, bought by god knows how many people. Thing is MMO players are so desperate for a game, they willing to forgive, or turn a blind eye to anything, and you will always get the unscrupulous jumping in to take advantage, yes looking at you AoC I have zero trust in these guys what so ever.
Nemeses wrote: » NiTr08 wrote: » Honestly, it feels like you guys are trying to cash in early on the hype AoC has generated over the years. If you wanted more players to test your game, there were plenty of ways to do that without charging $100+ just to playtest. I get that you're not a big-budget AAA studio, but these Alpha 2 keys feel pretty scummy, especially coming from a company that was started because MMORPGs were full of these exact kinds of scummy moves. For those who want to defend this $100+ alpha access, go ahead—give me a solid reason. Right now, it feels like, "Hey, let's make some quick cash off of these desperate MMO players. Hahaha!" (cue Steven laughing maniacally). And to the inevitable "yOu dOnT hAvE to support this, plenty of good games out there" crowd, let me just say: I've watched every single livestream since the Unreal 5 reveal, spent way too much time on the wiki, and haunted the Discord like a ghost. Also, let's be real most games out there suck. Finally, I think only Phase 3 keys should've been sold, and they should've been cheaper, or at least bundled with something that gives access to the betas too. This, I've said it before, these guys are milking players, think they know there is tons of money to be made by pushing back the release as well, they can get another 100 sets out, bought by god knows how many people. Thing is MMO players are so desperate for a game, they willing to forgive, or turn a blind eye to anything, and you will always get the unscrupulous jumping in to take advantage, yes looking at you AoC I have zero trust in these guys what so ever.
Caeryl wrote: » That’s certainly a very extreme measure to take in response to an unsurprisingly delay in a large scale development process.
Myosotys wrote: » Caeryl wrote: » That’s certainly a very extreme measure to take in response to an unsurprisingly delay in a large scale development process. No, it's not extreme at all, it's normal to take legal action if you feel you've been wronged. It's nothing personal. And the potential damage may not be just a delay in delivery. I bet that those who make the effort to take legal action will be discreetly compensated by Intrepid and the matter will be settled out of court. It's no big deal for Intrepid to give a few cosmetics and two or three months' free subscription to a dozen unhappy people. In any case, it's much better than incurring a reputational risk.
