Economics using the example of transport.

I think most of us agree that fast travel is evil, and fortunately the developers also spoke out against such systems. But I wanted to know if the game will have a public transport system between nodes? will the nodes be able to communicate with each other? Will they build these routes (ships, ferries, roads) with their own money, and then make a profit from the sale of travel tickets?
If so, then the question arises: will players be able to be shareholders of such projects and invest their own funds in them in order to make a profit? For example, a rich player, a citizen of a last-level node, invests his money as a profit in a communication between two developing nodes in the distance. And the question of investment extends not only to the construction of roads; in principle, on a commercial basis, can someone outsider participate in the development of other people’s territories with the aim of further making a profit.

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Noaani

Podgnil wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Githal wrote: »

also i expect AOC to have greater population than any other mmo, but we shall see.

It won't. 6 months after launch, it will count it's active users in the tens or hundreds of thousands, not millions - definately not tens of millions.

As to enjoying the journey, that isn't something you do just because people tell you that you should.

If we are to enjoy the journey, that should be because the developer of the game made the journey enjoyable. If the journey is enjoyable, there is no reason to have things like dungeons.

Fact is, travel is travel. It is what you do to get to the thing you want or need to be doing. If I am heading out to a show, or to a sports game, or for some bowling, or for dinner with friends, I'm not planning on enjoying the journey - the journey is the thing I do in order to get to the thing I want to be doing.

Same in games, the journey isn't fun. It is what you do to get to the fun. It should be minimalized in terms of the time players need to spend on it.

Is it possible to disagree?

It is, but your argument needs to at least make sense.

If your aim is to spend time with specific people, an activity in which you are expected to remain silent for 90+ minutes seems like an odd choice. There are better options if spending time with specific people is the goal.

The rest of your post doesn't really track for me. Yes, spending time with people is the actual goal, but we have Discord, smartphones, all sorts of other means of communicating with these same people we are playing our MMORPG with. The reason we are specifically in the game rather than one of those other commuication options (that are distinctly better if the only intention is spending online time with these people), is for the games content.

Thus, the entire argument you seem to be putting forward in this post makes no sense to me. We are in the game to play the game - just as we are at the bowling alley to bowl, or at the movie theatre to watch a movie, or at the restaurant to eat dinner.

If you are with your friends at a restaurant and they don't ever bring out your food, you aren't all going to say "well, at least we spent time together". You are at that restaurant to eat - with friends. Same with if you went to the movies and they just didn't show the movie, or if you went bowling and your lane was not functioning.

Sure, we go out to spend time with people, just as we play MMORPG's to spend time with people. However, when we go out, we also expect the thing we go out to/for to be as it should be.

We expect both to happen.

Explain why you think an MMORPG should be an exception.

Noaani

Githal wrote: »

I am just putting my thoughts for the project. I have a lot negative thoughts for it also.

As am I.

I'm vocal about the things I think Ashes gets right, and the things it gets wrong.

Githal

Noaani wrote: »

Githal wrote: »

I am just putting my thoughts for the project. I have a lot negative thoughts for it also.

As am I.

I'm vocal about the things I think Ashes gets right, and the things it gets wrong.

Yep i understand this.
Just the thing about enjoying the journey instead aiming for the destination.
I think this is not connected to AOC. And this is way of thinking.

I mean... the moment you start thinking: "i have to get this over with for the next X hours, and after this i will have fun" is not how it should be, or at least thats how i think.

Podgnil

For the third time we are moving away from the topic of discussion, the issue of transport and moving around the world was used mostly as an example, the topic is still about the economy and the opportunity to invest in other people’s nodes and receive profit from it, to conclude some semblance of agreements, saying that I will sponsor the construction of a road from Bumbleshitsburg in Podunk Town, but in return for 3 months I receive 50% of the income from tickets sold.

RationalThought

Verra is planned to be enormous in size by gaming standards. So I hope developers will find a good balance in logistics.

1)I personally don't like teleportation into dungeons from anywhere you like, so I hope there will not be any changes in plans to cater to this interface gameplay.
2)Flying between metropolices is already planned.
3)Fast mounts, including jumping and swimming ones, will play a big role.

I hope:
1)There will be portals between continents in NPC major towns. For the purpose of discovery, players should be limited to using those portals (if they are implemented) only after connecting to them. So if you want to travel from one portal to another, you first need to walk/ride/swim/fly to both of them manually and activate them.
2)Players will be able to craft and/or buy teleportation scrolls to their home and/or node they belong to.
3)More developed nodes will influence surrounding lands by producing better roads that give movement speed buffs.
4)Underdark territory can have shortcuts or fast underground streams to spice things up.

This way, I think all the game systems will remain intact, but traveling will not become tedious for veteran players.

Noaani

Podgnil wrote: »

For the third time we are moving away from the topic of discussion, the issue of transport and moving around the world was used mostly as an example

The first sentence of your OP could have been better selected.

Since there is nothing at all planned for the kind of investment you are talking about, there is nothing left to talk about in this thread other than what you mentioned in that first sentence.

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