Why I fear PvE min/max culture for this game...

With a PVX game like this, my fear is the min/max folks are going to figure out the optimal way to do things and then everyone will just follow suit and no one has conflict.

We need conflict and to fight over resources in a way to where folks will want to engage in PvP, otherwise folks will min/max their way to no fun land. Also how to we make it so massive guilds do not simply take over anything, then there is just no room for conflict if the same guild controls everything.

This goes to one of the things i already find concerning. Caravan's... The pop up that gives random people the ability to defend a caravan should be disabled. The fast majority of folks that are solo, or in a small party are simply going to sign up to defend, and no one will fight over the resources.

The only pop-up that should happen is an alert that you are going to be flagged for pvp if you stay in range of the caravan... that's it.

Anyway, i know it is a very difficult needle to thread, making a system fun enough people want to do it, yet don't make the path to optimal a one way street, because everyone will follow it.

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Githal

Noaani wrote: »

Githal wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Githal wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

1. No DPS counter

Do you honestly think I don't have one running already?

Yep you dont. And yes there will be in the future, but it will be only for yourself. You wont be able to measure other players dps

There are four statements in this post.

One of them is correct, three of them are incorrect.

Calculating other players dps is not dependent on the tool, but on the game design.
The tool just calculates PUBLIC information of players dmg on the target, and converts it to dps and structures it so you can see. For this to work you need to have access what dmg the other player does with each attack.

This means its possible to calculate dps of other if he attacks you. But if you cant access info of him attacking a mob for example. then it wont work

Yes, my combat tracker needs to know the combat figures of any player in order to track those figures.

This is correct.

so you track some average dps trough the target gear/talents and what spells he use?
Disregarding if it is a critical hit? or if the dmg was blocked by shield or doing min/max dmg and any of these?
Guess you could calculate some dps that has nothing to do with the real dps the target does.

Also you can easily get caught by Intrepid and get yourself banned.

mainedutch

Slipree wrote: »

You aren’t going to stop min/maxing ever. Also, most pve’ers will cry and quit about the third time they get jumped while trying to do their optimal rotations on mobs. Hard to min/max damage when other players can attack you at any time.

Not if they're non-combatant

nanfoodle

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

1. No DPS counter

Do you honestly think I don't have one running already?

Just because someone feels the need to make spread sheets for their char. Does not mean everyone will. Myself, I hope Steven makes using tools like that will be bandable offense. Even if they don't take action on it. It will keep the use of them on the down low.

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

1. No DPS counter

Do you honestly think I don't have one running already?

Just because someone feels the need to make spread sheets for their char. Does not mean everyone will.

The people wanting to min/max will.

The people wanting to be the best they can will.

Everyone else won't.

Marcet

ekeefe41 wrote: »

In the best way to become powerful is 1 mega guild and it's sister guilds control the entire server, that may become the norm.. Hence no conflict.

There will always be conflict. Mega guilds are always plagued with disagreements... internal fighting and betrayals for interests are nothing new.

The best PVP is the one the players make up.

And to your other point, min/maxing will always exist, It's 2024. The only option to avoid it is playing single player games.

Dygz

Min/Maxing is common in RPGs - even single-player RPGs.

Aszkalon

Azherae wrote: »

If peace is more profitable, then peace we shall have.

Both need to be attractive, if People understand what i mean.

There should be Advantages to being a peaceful Node -> and some Advantages to being a belligerent Node which loves to sometimes knock the other Nodes a hearty Beating right over their Heads.

And Yes. I have absolutely no Idea right now what the Option/"Reward" for the latter would be.

I am confident Sir Steven and the remaining Team have already thought about what could make both Options being attractive.

For Example Armor/Clothing-Cosmetics for both a very peaceful way of living for a long time, or for living long, loooooonnnng through Times of War.

Slipree

mainedutch wrote: »

Slipree wrote: »

You aren’t going to stop min/maxing ever. Also, most pve’ers will cry and quit about the third time they get jumped while trying to do their optimal rotations on mobs. Hard to min/max damage when other players can attack you at any time.

Not if they're non-combatant

I will attack you on sight out in the world if I’m farming or grinding. Regardless of consequence, or your color. Better roll deep in a Zerg ball. Going into the world, IS being combatant.

Slipree

Aszkalon wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

If peace is more profitable, then peace we shall have.

Both need to be attractive, if People understand what i mean.

There should be Advantages to being a peaceful Node -> and some Advantages to being a belligerent Node which loves to sometimes knock the other Nodes a hearty Beating right over their Heads.

And Yes. I have absolutely no Idea right now what the Option/"Reward" for the latter would be.

I am confident Sir Steven and the remaining Team have already thought about what could make both Options being attractive.

For Example Armor/Clothing-Cosmetics for both a very peaceful way of living for a long time, or for living long, loooooonnnng through Times of War.

Peace? This is a pvp game, not some weird, “fantasy kingdom simulator”. I’ll play this while it lasts, but if they keep trying to find the middle ground between pvp and pve (ers), the game will fail like all the others. To keep the pve’ers you eventually will have to coddle them to the point that pvp is basically purely consensual, and then you lose all the pvpers.

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