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Andi

This is supposedly a female.

Where are her hips?

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Caeryl

He's already made a comment about the silly, skimpy armor and that he doesn't like it. You can find the staff comment in the other thread someone necro'd recently. Should be page 1

Andi

Individuated Soul wrote: »

I just wish someone had the stones to ask Steven about the female art direction in an interview. Instead we get the same tired questions mixed with a few revealing ones.

Shameless plug: https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/59467/female-armor-design-spice-it-up-dont-be-afraid/p1

Not an old topic but NO comments or statements AFAIK from Intrepid.

*edit: I saw that he is not a fan. Popular demand though should matter as it doesn't really effect the core systems.

They haven't made any statements on the topic. Steven doesn't like skimpy, but he also said they'll see what they'll do in the future. That's all rather old info, too, and might already be obsolete, so in reality, we have nothing to go off of.

Common sense would make them work on character models until they look appealing, then add good-looking, diverse outfits to their cosmetics store, as this is the highest source of income by a huge margin. Games like FFXIV show how this is done. It's also pretty cheap and fast for them to do.

I do not think that they're even interested in hearing player feedback on this, else they'd already told us what they plan to do, as it's such a basic thing. Hell, we didn't even get some meaningless, evasive corpo-talk on the topic, that's how little they care, at least so far.

This is a topic I find important. How deeply I will be invested in my characters also depends on how good they look. If they leave it as-is, they might as well remove the char creator and replace it with a "start" button.

RationalThought

Stop worrying about fictional characters organs when women in real life can be skinnier. Psychotic behavior.

Yes everyone knew it was ai. Congrats little timmy, that has nothing to do with the reality that people like what the image portrays.

A slim feminine woman with badass armor.

Psychotic behavior because of an unserious comment about a tiny waist? And not people in every thread like this obsessed with women's femininity? Sure.
You seem upset. No need to get personal over a critique of an AI-generated girl.

Uncommon Sense

The first character i made was a female vek with moderate boob sliders... logged in and i think i had the chest bug because holy bazookas...

We are not at the polish part of the alpha things look basic and rough cut. The fact the character creator even has sliders to some effect - hip width saves is still pretty impressive

Sathrago

RationalThought wrote: »

Stop worrying about fictional characters organs when women in real life can be skinnier. Psychotic behavior.

Yes everyone knew it was ai. Congrats little timmy, that has nothing to do with the reality that people like what the image portrays.

A slim feminine woman with badass armor.

Psychotic behavior because of an unserious comment about a tiny waist? And not people in every thread like this obsessed with women's femininity? Sure.
You seem upset. No need to get personal over a critique of an AI-generated girl.

Yeah you're right. Lets tell those women in here obsessed with femininity to shut up. let us bring out the heavy clothes and bubble wrap to make sure they dont hurt themselves.

Flump63

Caeryl wrote: »

Carlisle wrote: »

Yeah, They look terrible, male and female. the armors are also not very pretty at the moment, they need make more clear the difference between female and male armor set

No, they really don't. Racial differences sure, because that's actually a significant change to the body types in some cases, but there's no reason to make drastic differences in armor between the male and female character models of the same race.

I feel like it would be fine having some armour sets which are more ambiguous in terms of being a male or female set but I think it is important to go to the extremes on either side of the spectrum because that's where fashion tends to get the most interesting. Using FFXIV as an example again, I think people can agree that's its up there as one of the best MMO's for fashion, they have super masculine armours, super feminine and plenty in between so there's something for everyone to enjoy.

Caeryl

Flump_AoC wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Carlisle wrote: »

Yeah, They look terrible, male and female. the armors are also not very pretty at the moment, they need make more clear the difference between female and male armor set

No, they really don't. Racial differences sure, because that's actually a significant change to the body types in some cases, but there's no reason to make drastic differences in armor between the male and female character models of the same race.

I feel like it would be fine having some armour sets which are more ambiguous in terms of being a male or female set but I think it is important to go to the extremes on either side of the spectrum because that's where fashion tends to get the most interesting. Using FFXIV as an example again, I think people can agree that's its up there as one of the best MMO's for fashion, they have super masculine armours, super feminine and plenty in between so there's something for everyone to enjoy.

You are in no uncertain terms: Wrong.

When you extremify armor, you're being weird about female characters, and also completely locking players out of an entire cosmetic design for their characters. Extremes are stupid, and give zero way of accessing the other version because two wildly different designs were slapped into one single cosmetic rather than studios doing the logical thing of selling two different cosmetics.

Ulderek

Caeryl wrote: »

You are in no uncertain terms: Wrong.

I don't think the previous poster is wrong. Extremes are perspectives and can mean many things.
Myself feeling this is a world where magic is present.
This creates an ability to surpass what is extreme in real-world perspectives.

I also want to comment your points aren't invalid but you frequently portray yourself as extremely disagreeable and aggressive.

Andi

"Your opinion is wrong" is an automatic disqualification. This is the AOC forum, not 4chan.

Caeryl

Andi wrote: »

"Your opinion is wrong" is an automatic disqualification. This is the AOC forum, not 4chan.

Consumer-hostile decision making is in fact never good. If they want two extremely different versions to exist, they should reasonably be asking for two separate costumes that can be equipped.

Ulderek wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

You are in no uncertain terms: Wrong.

I don't think the previous poster is wrong. Extremes are perspectives and can mean many things.
Myself feeling this is a world where magic is present.
This creates an ability to surpass what is extreme in real-world perspectives.

I also want to comment your points aren't invalid but you frequently portray yourself as extremely disagreeable and aggressive.

People asking for polarized designs based on player sex when we already know Intrepid doesn't plan on letting characters access both versions is consumer-hostile, on top of all the other cringe bits. I really could not care less if some people take it as aggressive.

Caeryl

To make it even more extremely simple:

That's it. Same costume, same coverage on both. It is not difficult

Aszkalon

Sathrago wrote: »

fantasy worlds tend to have this thing called magical armor that can take on many forms and still protect you.

I think i get what your point is.

It is just ... ... ... ... it gets really conspicuous for Example in some to many ASIA-MMO's, for Example.
That some Armors for female Characters are basically just a Bikini Swimsuit that is mimicking Leather- or Plate-Armor, or some Outfit of a Magician.

Sathrago wrote: »

Nothing is holding this back save weirdo conservative progressive artists.

lol. " WEIRDO conservative " ... ... ...

Am i conservative when i say i like the Degree of "normal to sexy Armors" and so on - how it was done and handled in Worst of Warcraft ?

With time, more civil-looking - and a few more "hot" looking cosmetic Items were added. For Example the Valentine-Dresses and so on. And while People often give their best to make a so called "SLUT-Mog" -> i never saw any Transmogs with to extremely weird Designs aimed to being sexy as hell.

Because it is still limited.

I admit -> Ashes is currently more limited regarding that, than WoW - right ?
But we don't need Ashes to become a second Asia MMO, Guys.

Please. Anything but that. Let's just get "as sexy" as WoW Armors as a Maximum.

Sathrago

Aszkalon wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

fantasy worlds tend to have this thing called magical armor that can take on many forms and still protect you.

I think i get what your point is.

It is just ... ... ... ... it gets really conspicuous for Example in some to many ASIA-MMO's, for Example.
That some Armors for female Characters are basically just a Bikini Swimsuit that is mimicking Leather- or Plate-Armor, or some Outfit of a Magician.

Sathrago wrote: »

Nothing is holding this back save weirdo conservative progressive artists.

lol. " WEIRDO conservative " ... ... ...

Am i conservative when i say i like the Degree of "normal to sexy Armors" and so on - how it was done and handled in Worst of Warcraft ?

With time, more civil-looking - and a few more "hot" looking cosmetic Items were added. For Example the Valentine-Dresses and so on. And while People often give their best to make a so called "SLUT-Mog" -> i never saw any Transmogs with to extremely weird Designs aimed to being sexy as hell.

Because it is still limited.

I admit -> Ashes is currently more limited regarding that, than WoW - right ?
But we don't need Ashes to become a second Asia MMO, Guys.

Please. Anything but that. Let's just get "as sexy" as WoW Armors as a Maximum.

let me be clear I was not referring to you specifically when i said this. I was talking about the art team having no regard for what has been considered wildly popular in mmos throughout gaming history. Attractive characters wearing attractive and badass armor. Yes there are also the standard poor hobo sets, but these shouldnt make up a majority of what we are getting. I want both skimpy and practical armors. I dont want just one of these things. The reason people think this is because im currently advocating for the stuff that is not being made by the art team. I would be on the other side of the fence if it was reversed. I dont want the game overrun with slutty mogs either. but just not having them, in any capacity, is stupid.

I mean, look at this.

This headpiece literally shaves my characters hair. it looks, and my character looks awful. I used a preset with no sculpting. So this is something the art team deemed preset worthy face wise. Its not, "oh we will get there eventually" levels, its "oh crap something has gone wrong we need to course correct." imo.

Sathrago

Caeryl wrote: »

To make it even more extremely simple:

That's it. Same costume, same coverage on both. It is not difficult

This is a completely different tune than what you were singing the past few pages. So now revealing armors are fine as long as the dude model is also revealing?

Fix this confusion you are creating.

Andi

Caeryl wrote: »

To make it even more extremely simple:

That's it. Same costume, same coverage on both. It is not difficult

You know, FFXIV has been brought up as an example here multiple times. In fact, FFXIV has just as revealing clothes for guys as they have for gals. Heck, you could buy the "the emperor's new..." set and go completely naked.

There are 2 problems this doesn't address:

characters look bad (the characters, as they are now, are ugly)
character creator bugged (created char doesn't get displayed as such in the game)

Females have different proportions, owing to their female physique. Female hips have to be wider than male to create space for a foetus to develop without killing the mother during pregnancy. Females have breasts for obvious reasons. These are characteristics by which they can be distinguished even from a distance, whereas they don't even exist currently. Pull the boob slider all the way to max, and you get a max-scaled ribcage.

Cosmetics, then, are a different topic, and personally, I believe we should get the option to run around showing zero skin at all, or lots of skin with seductive costumes, and everything in between, and this includes both sexes.

Caeryl

Andi wrote: »

Females have different proportions, owing to their female physique. Female hips have to be wider than male to create space for a foetus to develop without killing the mother during pregnancy. Females have breasts for obvious reasons. These are characteristics by which they can be distinguished even from a distance, whereas they don't even exist currently. Pull the boob slider all the way to max, and you get a max-scaled ribcage.

I highly doubt anyone is confused about the body shapes here:

The chest sculpt comes in two parts, one axis (vertical) is the overall scale of the torso, the other axis (horizontal) is for how far out the breasts/pecs reach. When you use the default body slider version, it only move along the diagonal that increases both overall scale and the size of the breasts/pecs concurrently, which is why you should use Sculpt instead.

Min chest scale, min breasts/pecs

Min chest scale, max breasts/pecs

CROW3

Agree w/OP, overall visuals are underwhelming. The character models feel (and move) like generic UE5 assets.

Aszkalon

Sathrago wrote: »

let me be clear I was not referring to you specifically when i said this.

I know.

Sathrago wrote: »

I was talking about the art team having no regard for what has been considered wildly popular in mmos throughout gaming history. Attractive characters wearing attractive and badass armor. Yes there are also the standard poor hobo sets, but these shouldnt make up a majority of what we are getting. I want both skimpy and practical armors. I dont want just one of these things. The reason people think this is because im currently advocating for the stuff that is not being made by the art team. I would be on the other side of the fence if it was reversed. I dont want the game overrun with slutty mogs either. but just not having them, in any capacity, is stupid.

I mean, look at this.

This headpiece literally shaves my characters hair. it looks, and my character looks awful. I used a preset with no sculpting. So this is something the art team deemed preset worthy face wise. Its not, "oh we will get there eventually" levels, its "oh crap something has gone wrong we need to course correct." imo.

I see. Makes me wonder if towards Release - > the same Item will leave your Characters Hair present.

Right now we don't have an ingame Feature to change our Characters' Looks after making them, right ?

I would really love to have this right now.

Katzmeow

I think you can have feminity with out going full out anime prostitue. It would be nice not to have to play another female character that looks like a young boy.

I remember back in the day when WOW night elf ladies bounced when they bounced.

That was funnny and I was not offended, because, well, that is what they do. Unless you strap em down.

I could not imagine wearing a mans suit of armor IRL? The chafing.. egads!

Here is hoping feminity comes to AOC at release, At least to the races that have those obvious differences. Dwarves all have beards, I am down with that.

Spinaltouch

I would like to see more Hair styles and more body, face, styles. Also a hide helm option.

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