PvP sucks, and they are making it worse!

I thought Ashes of Creation was supposed to be a PvP-focused game, but it feels like the corruption system is actively punishing anyone who engages in open-world PvP. The added slow effect on corruption just adds another layer to an already harsh penalty system, making it even less appealing to participate. I get that corruption is meant to balance PvP and prevent griefing, but as it stands, it feels like the game is leaning too hard on penalizing PvP rather than encouraging it.

During the recent bug where corruption wasn’t triggering, PvP was actually fun and spontaneous, just like the open-world PvP experience was supposed to be. Without the risk of losing gear or being slowed, people were more willing to engage, leading to some of the best PvP moments I’ve had in the game so far. Now that corruption’s back—and harsher than ever—it feels like I’m getting punished for wanting to PvP.

There’s also no incentive to even consider corruption worth the risk: no unique rewards, no advantages, nothing but the feeling of trying to overcome the system’s many debuffs. And without any dedicated PvP content like battlegrounds, the open-world PvP experience feels like it’s the only place to get that action. Wasn’t this game supposed to be about risking it all in PvP? Right now, it feels more like I’m being discouraged from PvP altogether.

The system feels like it’s pushing us towards some sort of ‘PvE with mild PvP on the side’ experience, not the high-stakes PvP game many of us expected. If I wanted to avoid open-world PvP, I’d play a game designed for that; I’m here for the thrill, not for a laundry list of debuffs and gear loss. Please, let us play without making us feel like PvP is a trap!

I realize the importance of potato farming, and people doing gathering etc etc, but you have to find a balance between the two if you're out of idea just do war/crisis/peace zones like archeage and call it a day. (idk im not game designed but i know the pvp is severely being neglected)

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Miller5862

a lot of men who identify as ma'am here....

RedLeader1

Dolyem wrote: »

PKing within reason is definitely PvP. Griefing however is not PvP. And they are not the same.

I am not primarily a PvPer and I have to agree. What are we talking about, non-lethal combat?

The problem though about PvE focused players whining is that it i a symptom of a much bigger problem.
To make a viable PvX game you need to do 2 things:

1. You have to make PvE important enough that PvP players need them on their team/faction/guild/node.
2. You have to make PvP players suffer if the PvE players die.

Essentially you have to make PvP players play defense. If the game is just PvP players killing each others irrelevant PvE players, and they are whining, it isn't going to be long before you haven't got a PvX game. And that means that all PvE content becomes irrelevant, because anyone doing any is just killed and robbed if they do it.

Then the PvP players whine and leave the game, from the worst to the best..

Sigtyr

There are many different types of PvP that are not attacking players with no intention of fighting back. I encourage you to try them.

c0done

this thread is so conflicted and fucked, you have PVE andies fighting with PVP lords.... guys re work the fucking pvp system and make 2 types of servers its pretty fucking CLEAR what we need. its not even hard. do it or get charged back.

also the amount of old crusty lineage ever quest players ive encountered sweating in the game is pretty bad... you need special servers for these folks too. yikes

c0done

alexpetr2023 wrote: »

You only get corrupted for killing people who do not fight back and are not PvP flagged... System is fine for now and im sure it will be tuned in the future.

it doesnt even matter, pvp is SO BUGGED RN engagement wise,, you constantly have ppl able to kill you while your whole party cannot engage. its fucking terrible and needs to be deleted and re worked.

c0done

mainedutch wrote: »

SinCigana wrote: »

I don’t understand why people are outraged about pvp in the field. Now we are all in the initial locks. Which are designed so that the player can refuse pvp. and if you kill him you will be punished.

BUT in zones 30+ open pvp. They call it open pvp zones. Where it doesn’t matter whether you want it or not. If you are in this zone you must fight with other players.

If you want to attack everyone, go to this area. I am sure that level 22+ players will be happy to fight with you.

People don't like to read the game and are taking this barebones early alpha at face value.

All those guys crying about not being able to kill anyone they see are the same guys who didn't read there are plenty of common zones/events that will automatically flag everyone for PvP.

these arent even in the game yet stop talking like it is.... yikes

c0done

alexpetr2023 wrote: »

You only get corrupted for killing people who do not fight back and are not PvP flagged... System is fine for now and im sure it will be tuned in the future.

its not fine at all.. its really bugged..... are you okay sir?

Its_Me

c0done wrote: »

mainedutch wrote: »

SinCigana wrote: »

I don’t understand why people are outraged about pvp in the field. Now we are all in the initial locks. Which are designed so that the player can refuse pvp. and if you kill him you will be punished.

BUT in zones 30+ open pvp. They call it open pvp zones. Where it doesn’t matter whether you want it or not. If you are in this zone you must fight with other players.

If you want to attack everyone, go to this area. I am sure that level 22+ players will be happy to fight with you.

People don't like to read the game and are taking this barebones early alpha at face value.

All those guys crying about not being able to kill anyone they see are the same guys who didn't read there are plenty of common zones/events that will automatically flag everyone for PvP.

these arent even in the game yet stop talking like it is.... yikes

Yes, they are in the game, I have spent days leveling in some of these zones. 😉

You will automatically have the cross swords above your character head but like other flagged pvp, you will still need to ALT+F and if you don't, other players will not incur a corruption penalty should you not fight back and die.

it doesnt even matter, pvp is SO BUGGED RN engagement wise,, you constantly have ppl able to kill you while your whole party cannot engage. its fucking terrible and needs to be deleted and re worked.

You do realize this is alpha two testing right?

While Steven has admitted that he has intentionally overtuned the corruption system for alpha 2 and there are mechanics that will be in place that do not seem to be there yet, we cannot insist the system has to be deleted during the testing of an incomplete and buggy system. 🤦‍♀️

If testing triggers you this much, perhaps you should come back after testers have provided their feedback and issues and bugs have been handled and the system tweaked?

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