Duping on all servers - WIPE pls?

An arguement for why you should wipe DEV

1) most players who did not dupe are going to feel left behind and not bother with alpha, thus you're losing data.

2) most people not gonna bother to pvp since the dupers managed to secure BiS stuff from it or faster mounts, making others not want to ever participate and thus you're losing data gathering from it as well

3) the focus of A1 is server and stability overall prior before Phase 2 launch on Dec 20th which will be a new wave of players.
Let's put it to the test now with wave 1 and wave 2 on a wipe before dec 20th. More data to collect.

See how servers organically respond to the past month of patches, since there is no plunder quests, bunch of quest fixes, players having an understanding of nodes/building progression now - it would be provide a whole new data for you guys as well. Re-visiting and having more eyes on players now interacting with questing and events.

How or where will the playerbase move to grind, which work server will be under load during the initial 10 level stage.

I don't see the negatives for the DEVS perspective. I am sure many on the player side will find "negatives" because their pixels will be gone before they even get to use it - boo hoo, ty for exploiting, let's patch it n wipe.

I think it's very beneficial to have multiple wipes tbh. I believe once we enter beta, to maybe have 1 wipe in between b4 launch but until then, having multi wipes is fine. It also allows playerbase to try different classes from scratch as well w/o feeling "left behind". There are also a lot of net postives for the playerbase if they look for it and think bigger picture.

so, we can haz a wipe please?

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Xefipor

It's an Alpha server, and we will have a wipe on Dec 20th. Soooo... who cares.

Mordune

In the monthly development updates Margaret has stated directly that one of the situations that would cause a wipe was duping. Will intrepid be true to their word or not? Every game I have ever played has been soft on exploiters, in a effort to keep the masses happy. I would for once like to see a company hold to the integrity of the game and just do the right thing instead of being held hostage by a small hardcore mass of exploiters who play the game.

I'm not a fan of banning in a testing phase, problems need to be found in order to be fixed. I am a huge fan of accountability and doing nothing would absolutely send the wrong message to the testers, to the public and to future exploiters.

It's a testing phase, we expect wipes and various bumps in the road; But more importantly, we expect the integrity of the game to be protected and upheld as was promised by Steven himself.

If nothing is done, these last weeks will be ruled by those who exploited. Videos of people with duped gear/mounts/resources dominating those who have chosen the fair path. I encourage Steven and Intrepid to be better than other studios and developers have been, be true to the statements made. We are only 1/2 through this phase of testing (2 weeks in for some) and there is a lot of work that can yet be done. A message from the studio is needed and a standard of integrity needs to be set, wipe the severs.

Vhaeyne

Xefipor wrote: »

It's an Alpha server, and we will have a wipe on Dec 20th. Soooo... who cares.

OP, me, most of the people in this thread...

People care.

Mordune

Xefipor wrote: »

It's an Alpha server, and we will have a wipe on Dec 20th. Soooo... who cares.

I care, that's why I spent the money, that's why I spend the time to test the game. My time and efforts to improve the game are just as valuable as those who have exploited. By doing nothing that is not the message being sent.

You are argue why does it matter, it's an Alpha. I would argue that is exactly why is does matter. Integrity of the game is not a some time obligation, it's a core philosophy.

Fippy

Granted, I don't know anything about game development, but I'm sure things like raising the gold cap like they did last weekend allows them to just look at who has gold at the level cap and investigate what that player was up to.

God knows they're watching their player heat map because GM Jacob has been spending a LOT of time at a certain location people are using to AFK level, and he personally smote a few people doing it. They are gonna make it "different" soon, so whether or not the exploiter is reporting it as a bug, no doubt its being logged as a bug by other players and its still being worked on.

nanfoodle

If they wipe at every hickup you will lose allot of testers.

MayhemTx

I don't care about the duping at its point of the game - just another test for them to learn from.

BUT - I still want to test more than server stability. I would also like to test Crafting and at this point, the only ones to get to do that are the dupers/MEGA guilds - So either change the XP on Crafting or resource requirements or resource abundance - Especially COPPER.

Let us TEST - even with 15 guys supporting me, getting one craft like Arcane Engineering to Apprentice is way too much work maybe even improbable by the 20th and a reset. The only people learning from Phase 1 are the MEGA Guilds.

I have nothing against MEGA guilds - I have seen them before in tons of other games since UO but this is testing - let us test

Semper Fi

novercalis

nanfoodle wrote: »

If they wipe at every hickup you will lose allot of testers.

that's ok. Most of them arent even testing. bye.

novercalis

MayhemuXa wrote: »

I don't care about the duping at its point of the game - just another test for them to learn from.

BUT - I still want to test more than server stability. I would also like to test Crafting and at this point, the only ones to get to do that are the dupers/MEGA guilds - So either change the XP on Crafting or resource requirements or resource abundance - Especially COPPER.

Let us TEST - even with 15 guys supporting me, getting one craft like Arcane Engineering to Apprentice is way too much work maybe even improbable by the 20th and a reset. The only people learning from Phase 1 are the MEGA Guilds.

I have nothing against MEGA guilds - I have seen them before in tons of other games since UO but this is testing - let us test

Semper Fi

yes and no.
the issue is - all data going forward is tainted data by dupers.

I'd actually would like to know, organically how long building takes with efficient mayors and non efficient mayors. We thought we knew the streamer server was the crafting server, but they were the ones to have found the bug first and used to get all their shit up. anythign they wanted to test/craft is also pointless since it was all made by duped legendaries

nanfoodle

novercalis wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

If they wipe at every hickup you will lose allot of testers.

that's ok. Most of them arent even testing. bye.

Ahh I see the people don't matter point of view. Ya that's fair.

Mordune

nanfoodle wrote: »

If they wipe at every hickup you will lose allot of testers.

If this were true then those same people would not come back in December and would long have abandoned the PTR. Also this is not a hiccup or a bump in the road, this is more akin the wheels coming off the caravan and the canopy is on fire.

Dolyem

nanfoodle wrote: »

If they wipe at every hickup you will lose allot of testers.

Its not every hick-up. This would be 1 substantial instance in phase 1. Seems pretty good to me, considering they even warned us of the possibility of wipes throughout testing ahead of time.

nanfoodle

Mordune wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

If they wipe at every hickup you will lose allot of testers.

If this were true then those same people would not come back in December and would long have abandoned the PTR. Also this is not a hiccup or a bump in the road, this is more akin the wheels coming off the caravan and the canopy is on fire.

Talk to the A1 testers. Every wipe they lost more and more testers. Say that does not matter. But it does to IS. They said themselves, their goal is to not wipe. I stand by their sentiment and agree with it wholeheartedly. If they need to that's their call.

kadimir

novercalis wrote: »

the issue is - all data going forward is tainted data by dupers.

I'd actually would like to know, organically how long building takes with efficient mayors and non efficient mayors.

this, exactly this - is one of my biggest issues. Suddenly springing forth from the stone age on the 10th day en masse on resna. Sounds like we werent the only server to suddenly hit an enlightment period.

Veeshan

No point let it ride till the 20th of december its a whole 12 games days the dupe only realu meand people will be in legendary lvl 1 gear (maybe lvl 10 if people managed to get high quality resource on T2/3 mats on the server that happen to have the benches for the tools) and gold but that only buys you a mount atm basicly so thats not a big deal either.

May aswell let it ride till the 20th and see what testing data comeso ut of it than reset the progress for 12 playable days

Mordune

Veeshan wrote: »

May aswell let it ride till the 20th and see what testing data comeso ut of it than reset the progress for 12 playable days

As we are at the 1/2 way point for this phase, using your same logic, a wipe would only remove the progress of 12 playable days. Less actually because of the DDoS attacks.

A clean slate would at least let us see how all the updates would impact the leveling curve, including the new starter experience updates.

novercalis

people hanging on to their dear exploited pixels.

Nathariel

novercalis wrote: »

people hanging on to their dear exploited pixels.

you are looking the things only from 1 points. Do you know how long take for the people test the build and understand what are good and what no?!?! for example like is now the city and crafting station has no meaning to stay because now we have some apprendice workbench and we can craft lvl 10 items that are most of them usell because most of the people are lvl 20/25. But we need also to test what is not good and must be change or correct with more high build , if they make while we can't test more the build in city because i take 3 week to start to make the new build. More things we test better is for the test after the wipe of 20. I think the big reason they will wipe the 20 is because the strucure of the pg change with the new features they will release.

Its_Me

Steven has already stated that this test is about performance, stability and networking and that production focus would come down the road so not certain a wipe due to duped items will be carried out for this segment of testing.

Veeshan wrote: »

No point let it ride till the 20th of december its a whole 12 games days the dupe only realu meand people will be in legendary lvl 1 gear (maybe lvl 10 if people managed to get high quality resource on T2/3 mats on the server that happen to have the benches for the tools) and gold but that only buys you a mount atm basicly so thats not a big deal either.

The complaint is that people have been duping the gold and legendary materials and I have seen screenshots of inventories full of these materials so legendary lvl 10 gear is possible.

As far as minimizing the impact of entire parties and/or guilds running around with level 10 gear, here is a pic that someone posted in the Resna channel when someone made fun of the threat of low level duped gear:

Nathariel

Its_Me wrote: »

Steven has already stated that this test is about performance, stability and networking and that production focus would come down the road so not certain a wipe due to duped items will be carried out for this segment of testing.

Veeshan wrote: »

No point let it ride till the 20th of december its a whole 12 games days the dupe only realu meand people will be in legendary lvl 1 gear (maybe lvl 10 if people managed to get high quality resource on T2/3 mats on the server that happen to have the benches for the tools) and gold but that only buys you a mount atm basicly so thats not a big deal either.

The complaint is that people have been duping the gold and legendary materials and I have seen screenshots of inventories full of these materials so legendary lvl 10 gear is possible.

As far as minimizing the impact of entire parties and/or guilds running around with level 10 gear, here is a pic that someone posted in the Resna channel when someone made fun of the threat of low level duped gear:

I can undestand the disappoint of the duplicate eq, but it's not a reason in this wave that finish in 4 weedend to wipe now and don't permit the test also the city builds. I prefer gather and craft and to can try make lvl 10 item we need to work 3/4 week, just to start with a wipe we can't test anything, you can't discover many bug, the developer already fixed the duplicate problem, we need to focus to check other bug to make the game work better and also to improve what in the game not work good.

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