Fast travel

So I understand fast travel is not good for a game it removes the point on mounts and runs PVP Zerg ''gathering''
that being said I can't stand talking all across the map from point A to point b
[how to fix the problem with fast travel]
my idea was to allow fast travel to town nodes but have a system in place from point A 'the player' to where he wants to go ''point B'' the system counts the time it would take to get from point A to point b and then add time-based on the mount/foot travel time and put that as a Cooldown. This would allow fast travel but nerf it to the point of how much we can do it.
we also still have the choice to travel on mount and it would not kill the concept of getting better mounts.

Have node not able to fast travel when a node war is in place

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Tahiti02

No fast travel please, current iteration is amazing. It provides a grand scale to the world, prevents zergs from instantly being everywhere and promotes a LoTR style of adventure. It will be even better once the world is fully built because it will allow lots of little communities to exist almost independently, and distance will be a safety net.

They have already commented that at some point there will be a taxi service and thats plenty. Or if an academic node levels up, there will be some sort of fast travel between nodes in its area of influence.

Sneakypie

I'd be happy with a one hour type hearth c/d to tied to one town location at a time, so not really fast travel but just something to move us quick (with long CD) if we need to repair etc.

Feno86

No fast travel, it's perfect right now!
Let's stop caualizing games. It hinders immersion.

uNworn1

Feno86 wrote: »

No fast travel, it's perfect right now!
Let's stop caualizing games. It hinders immersion.

So dont like it dont use it there is problem ? or game must e only like you want ?

uNworn1

Not everyone have time in life run 2 haurs in game from one node to another.... So yes fast travel must be in game, who don`t like it just dont use and will be for you the same like now

Imanek

This topic has already been widely debated, but we are in a game where fast travel clearly has no place. Adding it would kill a large part of the game experience just to please a few people who don't even take the time to fully enjoy the game.

The game is built around trade, exploration, and immersion. Allowing fast travel would ruin many of these essential features.

Steven and the developers have repeatedly confirmed in the dev blogs that fast travel will not be part of Verra, and that’s a very good thing.

You want teleportation? Well, scientific cities will be connected to each other. For everything else, you have your mounts and your feet.

Because we know you, the ones who complain about the lack of fast travel because you only have two hours to play. Then, you’ll whine because you have to walk to the instances, you’ll be tired of looking for a group for a dungeon, and then you’ll ask for an automated group finder. And once that’s in place, you won’t even bother saying hello when joining your instance groups. If something goes wrong, it’s always the tank’s or the healer’s fault, a little taunt, and you leave.

Yes, I admit it, I’m salty against this mentality that always wants to simplify everything in the game.

The studio’s stance is clear, and I really hope they never listen to you.

Volgaris

SOVERElGN wrote: »

So I understand fast travel is not good for a game it removes the point on mounts and runs PVP Zerg ''gathering''
that being said I can't stand talking all across the map from point A to point b
[how to fix the problem with fast travel]
my idea was to allow fast travel to town nodes but have a system in place from point A 'the player' to where he wants to go ''point B'' the system counts the time it would take to get from point A to point b and then add time-based on the mount/foot travel time and put that as a Cooldown. This would allow fast travel but nerf it to the point of how much we can do it.
we also still have the choice to travel on mount and it would not kill the concept of getting better mounts.

Have node not able to fast travel when a node war is in place

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Fast_travel

Tahiti02

uNworn1 wrote: »

Not everyone have time in life run 2 haurs in game from one node to another.... So yes fast travel must be in game, who don`t like it just dont use and will be for you the same like now

This was never going to be an instant gratification game, stop trying to make it one.

Noaani

Imanek wrote: »

Adding it would kill a large part of the game experience just to please a few people who don't even take the time to fully enjoy the game.

This makes no sense.

Adding it doesn't remove anything. If you want to spend an hour running from one location to another, you still can. If you want to use the argument of "I would walk if I have to, but would use fast travel if it is available", then you should reconsider. You are literally saying you want to a part of the game.left jn thst you would happily bypass for more enjoyable content if you had the option to do so.

It doesn't lower the chances of PvP, as it isn't taking players out of the game world - it is just moving then to a different part of the game world. If anything, it should mean there is more PvP because the population would be generally more concentrated than spread out. Rather than running around the open world looking for players traveling, you just go to the areas they want to be in and PvP there.

The only (and I do mean only) valid reason to not want fast travel is to prevent players massing in one location quickly - and so any fast travel suggestion that avoids this is 100% valid.

Imanek

Do you really think your vision is less inconsistent than the game's own design?

Alright, let me break down my arguments.

First, let’s consider the game’s universe. The game is designed to be largely sedentary, where the main objective is to develop a node, level it up, and establish a vassal network with lower-level nodes. This should naturally encourage citizens of these nodes to commit to increasing their influence and protecting themselves from other powerful regions.

Why would fast travel be detrimental and play directly into the hands of zerg guilds?
Let’s start with the obvious: caravans.

Imagine you’re part of a medium-sized guild, transporting goods or running a trade caravan to a neighboring node. In the current system, a zerg guild would have to be nearby to launch a massive attack. But with a fast travel system, one player can just sound the alarm, and within two minutes, you’ll have 400 people on you, leaving you no time to respond or organize a countermeasure.

The same problem applies to naval systems.

Example Scenario
You defeat a world boss, and fortune smiles upon you a valuable relic drops. But guess what? A zerg guild spots you, and within two minutes, 300 players arrive to steal it from you. These are people who, under normal circumstances, would’ve needed 40 minutes to reach you. But thanks to fast travel, they’re on you almost instantly, with zero effort.

If you played at the beginning of Alpha 2, you’ve seen how this plays out on a smaller map. All the routes were camped, caravans were destroyed on sight, and what I call "server killers" were running rampant. They weren’t interested in testing or providing feedback; they were just hell-bent on destroying every caravan for fun.

As a result, many guilds left the game, and ironically, the same zerg guilds later complained that there was nothing left to do. Of course, because they drove away three-quarters of the server’s population.

Moving on...
If a world boss spawns near your node, a normal guild or alliance would have a fair shot at engaging it. But with your proposed system, zerg guilds can rush any boss on the map with ease.

Now, consider the regions and their unique resources. This design encourages transportation of goods via caravans, enhancing the node’s progress and missions. With the old system, there was a real incentive to load your mule with resources and transport them from one region to another.

But with fast travel? Any player can just teleport wherever they want, whenever they want, making this unique gameplay feature useless.

The people who understand the negative consequences of fast travel don’t want it. The developers don’t want it. And frankly, the only ones who could possibly benefit from such a system are the large zerg guilds who would be able to mass-move wherever they please, with no penalties.

What’s the point of choosing and belonging to a node for resources if, with just a click, you can instantly be wherever you want to gather?

So, where’s the real inconsistency?
You can prefer a game where zergs rule the world, where a small minority of players can wreak havoc across two entire continents.

Or, you can support the game developers who have already anticipated these issues and are working to address these recurring problems.

In any case, you will have fast mounts, public transportation systems, and teleportation between scientific nodes and their vassals.

No need for anything else to maintain balance for everyone.

To wrap this up,

Ashes of Creation was designed with a clear, well-thought-out vision. The developers have said it, repeated it, and written it down for everyone to see (I'll share the link) — they don’t want fast travel. And it’s not just for one reason, but for many reasons I’ve already mentioned, and plenty of others.

But despite all that, there are still players who want everything right away. They’re willing to make the game feel dull just to be able to click on a point on the map and teleport instantly, even if it means throwing away six important features of the game.

But a real RPG is so much more than that. It’s about running into people on the road, stopping at an inn to chat, stumbling upon a group doing RP. It’s those random encounters that breathe life into the world and make the experience so much richer.

But no, some people would rather rush through everything like they do in real life, never taking the time to actually enjoy the journey. Traveling around, watching nodes grow and evolve, witnessing changes, living that constant exploration... That’s what makes the world feel alive.

I genuinely hope the developers have the financial means to see their vision through. Because a world that keeps evolving, that truly feels alive, perfectly matches their idea of travel based on exploration rather than just a magical click on the map.

Noaani

Imanek wrote: »

First, let’s consider the game’s universe. The game is designed to be largely sedentary, where the main objective is to develop a node, level it up, and establish a vassal network with lower-level nodes.

This is incorrect.

The main objective of Ashes is to build character/player power, like every other MMORPG ever.

Building nodes is one aspect of that, arguably not even the primary aspect.

When you look at the game from this perspective, the inconsistencies jump out at you like an over eager teenager working in a haunted house. It also becomes obvious why the game should have some form of fast travel.

The other thing to keep in mind is that there are ways to add fast travel that do not facilitate zerg guilds. As such, the argument of zergs and such that you made is an argument for what form fast travel should take, as opposed to an argument as to whether it should be present or not.

redscope

Those of you arguing for 'no fast travel' are literally in the same boat that full-loot PvPers are. The vast majority of players, who will be necessary to make this game a success, expect some form of fast travel. The reason things like that even exist is because they're popular amongst the broader player base.

And that's not to say people who don't like fast travel are wrong not to like it. There are mechanics that become pointless when allowing people to port everywhere at will. Why have split marketplaces when you can simply blink between them and trade? Why have an intricate mount system if moving from each PoI can be done by pressing 'M' and clicking on it?

Either way, it's a moot point because:

1. Fast travel will be in the game, it will just be very limited.
2. Teleportation will be a very real thing lore-wise, so it isn't even a question of lore-breaking nonsense.
3. Steven, and Intrepid, are constantly shifting direction on how much or little a system's impact has, will have, or should have on the game (case in point, the PvP penalty system).

Also, you have to remember, we're currently dealing with a small percentage of the map. What currently can take 2 hours to cross on-foot is nothing compared to the final scheme of the game.

Ultimately, what we don't want is for Ashes to fall apart. Outside of those of us who wanted to spend time in a testing sandbox, because we enjoy playing it, there needs to be a broad appeal. There are a lot of players who will join this game looking for a more traditional MMO zero fast travel, only LFG chat, and a Global chat to basically pay a subscription to be in a gigantic, troll-filled chatroom; there are a great many more who will want to see some level of modern QoL in the game. Intrepid knows this. They're not dummies. Plus most of those people are forever stuck on WoW, so you can't rely on that.

Intrepid will need to take their time and move through iterations slowly. And they will.

And don't worry about funding. If this game fails, it won't be there weren't enough funds dumped into it. It will be because not enough people are playing it to make it sustainable post-launch. With the way they're willing to adapt, I don't think Intrepid will let that happen.

uNworn1

Imanek wrote: »

This topic has already been widely debated, but we are in a game where fast travel clearly has no place. Adding it would kill a large part of the game experience just to please a few people who don't even take the time to fully enjoy the game.

The game is built around trade, exploration, and immersion. Allowing fast travel would ruin many of these essential features.

Steven and the developers have repeatedly confirmed in the dev blogs that fast travel will not be part of Verra, and that’s a very good thing.

You want teleportation? Well, scientific cities will be connected to each other. For everything else, you have your mounts and your feet.

Because we know you, the ones who complain about the lack of fast travel because you only have two hours to play. Then, you’ll whine because you have to walk to the instances, you’ll be tired of looking for a group for a dungeon, and then you’ll ask for an automated group finder. And once that’s in place, you won’t even bother saying hello when joining your instance groups. If something goes wrong, it’s always the tank’s or the healer’s fault, a little taunt, and you leave.

Yes, I admit it; I’m salty against this mentality that always wants to simplify everything in the game.

The studio’s stance is clear, and I really hope they never listen to you.

Then we hope that they will bankrupt soon. It sounds like you only pay money, and only your opinion is important there.

uNworn1

I don't understand how it's fun for someone to run haur from one node to another.... for me, people who like it are autistic

daveywavey

Noaani wrote: »

Adding it doesn't remove anything. If you want to spend an hour running from one location to another, you still can. If you want to use the argument of "I would walk if I have to, but would use fast travel if it is available", then you should reconsider. You are literally saying you want to a part of the game.left jn thst you would happily bypass for more enjoyable content if you had the option to do so.

It's not about bypassing it for more enjoyable content. If one player is riding for 10mins, and another is teleporting, then that player has 10mins more time for character progression. The player that doesn't use it is on the back foot, and at risk of getting left behind.
A player that wants to be relevant at end-game will need to teleport, too, in order to not get overtaken. It'll turn into a necessity, despite their feelings on fast travel.

Noaani

daveywavey wrote: »

It's not about bypassing it for more enjoyable content. If one player is riding for 10mins, and another is teleporting, then that player has 10mins more time for character progression. The player that doesn't use it is on the back foot, and at risk of getting left behind.
A player that wants to be relevant at end-game will need to teleport, too, in order to not get overtaken. It'll turn into a necessity, despite their feelings on fast travel.

So, your argument is that we should have no fast travel because it means things take longer and are less fun?

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand the arguments that are being made for no fast travel - they are just really bad arguments to make, as they all boil down to "I want the game to be less fun".

Yes, any player that opts to progress slowly will, well, progress slowly. Where within that is the reason to purposefully make the game less fun and more tedious?

Imanek

uNworn1 wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Adding it doesn't remove anything. If you want to spend an hour running from one location to another, you still can. If you want to use the argument of "I would walk if I have to but would use fast travel if it is available," then you should reconsider. You are literally saying you want to be a part of the game. left in the dust, you would happily bypass for more enjoyable content if you had the option to do so.

It's not about bypassing it for more enjoyable content. If one player is riding for 10 mins and another is teleporting, then that player has 10 mins more time for character progression. The player that doesn't use it is on the back foot and at risk of getting left behind.
A player that wants to be relevant at end-game will need to teleport, too, in order to not get overtaken. It'll turn into a necessity, despite their feelings on fast travel.

Not everyone has time to run haur from one node to another.... it`s stupid and autistic if devs totaly dont lisen people they will make game for self and autistic kids only and can play this trash 30 people total before will fucked to pay for servers.[/quote]

You know, there's a recently released game called TL where you can teleport wherever you want with an amazing animation. So, why not go play there?

Developers have to make choices, and a unique game that appeals to 6 billion people simply doesn't exist and has never existed.

Here, you come barging in with your big boots, with no other argument than, "I don't want to waste 10 minutes of my life, change your game because you made it for autistic people."

Honestly, if I were a developer, you'd get banned from both the forum and the game right away for your utter lack of respect and consideration for other users and those with disabilities.

So, here you are, representing the kind of people who've been ruining games for years by making everything bland and uninspired. You have dozens of games that suit your taste, where you click a button to form a group, or click a spot on the map to be instantly transported there. And when you encounter the slightest difficulty, you don’t even bother to say hello to the group because it's a waste of time for you, but you throw an insult instead. In short, your behavior here is a perfect example of that.

Ashes of Creation is about bringing MMORPGs back to their roots — a time you probably never experienced. That’s why we are here. And believe me, this community is far larger than your fast-food MMOs that you defend so much but don’t even play.

Take a look at the WoW Classic and Retail servers and see which ones are thriving.

I won’t respond any further to your rudeness and self-centeredness.

uNworn1

Imanek wrote: »

uNworn1 wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Adding it doesn't remove anything. If you want to spend an hour running from one location to another, you still can. If you want to use the argument of "I would walk if I have to but would use fast travel if it is available," then you should reconsider. You are literally saying you want to be a part of the game. left in the dust, you would happily bypass for more enjoyable content if you had the option to do so.

It's not about bypassing it for more enjoyable content. If one player is riding for 10 mins and another is teleporting, then that player has 10 mins more time for character progression. The player that doesn't use it is on the back foot and at risk of getting left behind.
A player that wants to be relevant at end-game will need to teleport, too, in order to not get overtaken. It'll turn into a necessity, despite their feelings on fast travel.

Not everyone has time to run haur from one node to another.... it`s stupid and autistic if devs totaly dont lisen people they will make game for self and autistic kids only and can play this trash 30 people total before will fucked to pay for servers.

You know, there's a recently released game called TL where you can teleport wherever you want with an amazing animation. So, why not go play there?

Developers have to make choices, and a unique game that appeals to 6 billion people simply doesn't exist and has never existed.

Here, you come barging in with your big boots, with no other argument than, "I don't want to waste 10 minutes of my life, change your game because you made it for autistic people."

Honestly, if I were a developer, you'd get banned from both the forum and the game right away for your utter lack of respect and consideration for other users and those with disabilities.

So, here you are, representing the kind of people who've been ruining games for years by making everything bland and uninspired. You have dozens of games that suit your taste, where you click a button to form a group, or click a spot on the map to be instantly transported there. And when you encounter the slightest difficulty, you don’t even bother to say hello to the group because it's a waste of time for you, but you throw an insult instead. In short, your behavior here is a perfect example of that.

Ashes of Creation is about bringing MMORPGs back to their roots — a time you probably never experienced. That’s why we are here. And believe me, this community is far larger than your fast-food MMOs that you defend so much but don’t even play.

Take a look at the WoW Classic and Retail servers and see which ones are thriving.

I won’t respond any further to your rudeness and self-centeredness.

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You know, there's a recently released game called TL where you can teleport wherever you want with an amazing animation. So, why not go play there?
Serios again who da fuck you are that must care only your opinion you pay more money for game or how it`s works. Maby they make this game only for you ? You have harder rpg games you dont want go play ?

Noaani

Imanek wrote: »

Take a look at the WoW Classic and Retail servers and see which ones are thriving.

Don't make the mistake of assuming people here are asking for WoW classic levels of convenience, let alone WoW retail.

Rather than it being a case of less convenience being better, WoW classic is doing so well because it strikes a nice balance. Retail is too far in one direction, and Ashes is far too far in the other.

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