Fast travel

So I understand fast travel is not good for a game it removes the point on mounts and runs PVP Zerg ''gathering''
that being said I can't stand talking all across the map from point A to point b
[how to fix the problem with fast travel]
my idea was to allow fast travel to town nodes but have a system in place from point A 'the player' to where he wants to go ''point B'' the system counts the time it would take to get from point A to point b and then add time-based on the mount/foot travel time and put that as a Cooldown. This would allow fast travel but nerf it to the point of how much we can do it.
we also still have the choice to travel on mount and it would not kill the concept of getting better mounts.

Have node not able to fast travel when a node war is in place

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taurus_skyglaive

no fast travel please ever it would ruin the persistence of the world

Noaani

taurus_skyglaive wrote: »

no fast travel please ever it would ruin the persistence of the world

It literally wouldn't ruin the persistence of the world.

The two have nothing to do with each other.

Tahiti02

Imanek wrote: »

Do you really think your vision is less inconsistent than the game's own design?

Alright, let me break down my arguments.

First, let’s consider the game’s universe. The game is designed to be largely sedentary, where the main objective is to develop a node, level it up, and establish a vassal network with lower-level nodes. This should naturally encourage citizens of these nodes to commit to increasing their influence and protecting themselves from other powerful regions.

Why would fast travel be detrimental and play directly into the hands of zerg guilds?
Let’s start with the obvious: caravans.

Imagine you’re part of a medium-sized guild, transporting goods or running a trade caravan to a neighboring node. In the current system, a zerg guild would have to be nearby to launch a massive attack. But with a fast travel system, one player can just sound the alarm, and within two minutes, you’ll have 400 people on you, leaving you no time to respond or organize a countermeasure.

The same problem applies to naval systems.

Example Scenario
You defeat a world boss, and fortune smiles upon you a valuable relic drops. But guess what? A zerg guild spots you, and within two minutes, 300 players arrive to steal it from you. These are people who, under normal circumstances, would’ve needed 40 minutes to reach you. But thanks to fast travel, they’re on you almost instantly, with zero effort.

If you played at the beginning of Alpha 2, you’ve seen how this plays out on a smaller map. All the routes were camped, caravans were destroyed on sight, and what I call "server killers" were running rampant. They weren’t interested in testing or providing feedback; they were just hell-bent on destroying every caravan for fun.

As a result, many guilds left the game, and ironically, the same zerg guilds later complained that there was nothing left to do. Of course, because they drove away three-quarters of the server’s population.

Moving on...
If a world boss spawns near your node, a normal guild or alliance would have a fair shot at engaging it. But with your proposed system, zerg guilds can rush any boss on the map with ease.

Now, consider the regions and their unique resources. This design encourages transportation of goods via caravans, enhancing the node’s progress and missions. With the old system, there was a real incentive to load your mule with resources and transport them from one region to another.

But with fast travel? Any player can just teleport wherever they want, whenever they want, making this unique gameplay feature useless.

The people who understand the negative consequences of fast travel don’t want it. The developers don’t want it. And frankly, the only ones who could possibly benefit from such a system are the large zerg guilds who would be able to mass-move wherever they please, with no penalties.

What’s the point of choosing and belonging to a node for resources if, with just a click, you can instantly be wherever you want to gather?

So, where’s the real inconsistency?
You can prefer a game where zergs rule the world, where a small minority of players can wreak havoc across two entire continents.

Or, you can support the game developers who have already anticipated these issues and are working to address these recurring problems.

In any case, you will have fast mounts, public transportation systems, and teleportation between scientific nodes and their vassals.

No need for anything else to maintain balance for everyone.

To wrap this up,

Ashes of Creation was designed with a clear, well-thought-out vision. The developers have said it, repeated it, and written it down for everyone to see (I'll share the link) — they don’t want fast travel. And it’s not just for one reason, but for many reasons I’ve already mentioned, and plenty of others.

But despite all that, there are still players who want everything right away. They’re willing to make the game feel dull just to be able to click on a point on the map and teleport instantly, even if it means throwing away six important features of the game.

But a real RPG is so much more than that. It’s about running into people on the road, stopping at an inn to chat, stumbling upon a group doing RP. It’s those random encounters that breathe life into the world and make the experience so much richer.

But no, some people would rather rush through everything like they do in real life, never taking the time to actually enjoy the journey. Traveling around, watching nodes grow and evolve, witnessing changes, living that constant exploration... That’s what makes the world feel alive.

I genuinely hope the developers have the financial means to see their vision through. Because a world that keeps evolving, that truly feels alive, perfectly matches their idea of travel based on exploration rather than just a magical click on the map.

Great writeup, but don't get your hopes up. People like OP aren't interested in changing their opinion.

BroJC

"But with fast travel? Any player can just teleport wherever they want, whenever they want, making this unique gameplay feature useless."

Is this what people are really asking for with fast travel? I guess I did not understand. I don't think I have ever played a game where this was possible.

I am just a solo player who never gets invested in the game, though I feel it is above average in most of the things it does because I always feel separated from everything. I can never really seem to get anywhere or do much with my time other than find a place to grind mobs, which gets boring. Some random encounters with players who might be where I am at the moment, but I know we will all move on, and when they are at some node or some other spot, I won't see them again because, well, it takes too much time to get anywhere. I don't want instant travel anywhere. But a port to my emberstone on a cooldown, which would let me strategically base myself somewhere, would help. That public transportation talked about would be great. Anything other than the feeling of "Why bother" and ignoring global chat. I thought, "I know what I will do, I will hunt a mount and go try my hand at the crafting system." So I spent my time running around finding some wolf or bear or something to tame, then to spend the little silver I had to get caravan mules. Over and Over. Defeating really. That was just for 10% faster or 5. I don't know. The game is not for you they say. I guess not, though I want it to be. I paid for this and would pay. I can't even res at my body or port back to my ash pile. I mean, why not? I already lost those mats and take a death penalty. Time penalty on top of it. It makes me never want to pvp. I like to pvp. I don't mind getting killed. Corruption doesn't even scare me as much as the overall time lost.
I thought they wanted it to be about risk versus reward? What reward is there? I take no risks and still get punished because of the mob aggro and the leash range. I would like to play a risky class. I would like to play rogue and be risky. Maybe I will get to. I stopped playing my cleric because I was just logging to mob grind till bored and logging back out because of these reasons. It boggles my mind that the game world already feels too big to get around in a reasonable amount of time, and it is only a fraction of what it is supposed to be.
Oh, you don't want the Zerg guilds to dominate!!! They already do, from what I understand. Maybe it has changed a bit. I will have to see. If I am not in one, though why should I bother to join a node, then ride for the time it takes to get to some POI to grind with a pug and then ride back to that node?

I know I am ranting. I apologize. I really want to love this game. But things like this guy said
"You defeat a world boss, and fortune smiles upon you a valuable relic drops. But guess what? A zerg guild spots you, and within two minutes, 300 players arrive to steal it from you. These are people who, under normal circumstances, would’ve needed 40 minutes to reach you. But thanks to fast travel, they’re on you almost instantly, with zero effort.

If you played at the beginning of Alpha 2, you’ve seen how this plays out on a smaller map. All the routes were camped, caravans were destroyed on sight, and what I call "server killers" were running rampant. They weren’t interested in testing or providing feedback; they were just hell-bent on destroying every caravan for fun.

As a result, many guilds left the game, and ironically, the same zerg guilds later complained that there was nothing left to do. Of course, because they drove away three-quarters of the server’s population."

It sort of proves the point. Those guilds were already doing it without any sort of travel system. I don't want instant travel to anywhere, but just look at the logical disconnect in this argument. Why is it that only the Zerg guild can fast-travel to you, but you can NOT fast-travel away from them? You lose your shinies because they are gonna get you... Just proves that people will think how they want to think and never take another perspective.
All I am saying is that if there are going to be this many systems with built in time sinks and all the punishments at least help me get around in your world.

Imanek

@BroJC

Back when zerg guilds were dominating, they had at least one player permanently logged in each city. To put things in context, there was only one available region at the time, with just five villages — the area was fully covered. As soon as a caravan left, the information would spread, and minutes later the zerg would show up in force, giving players no chance to defend themselves.

But that's not the context of the final map, which will feature two full continents and multiple nodes. If you allow these guilds to travel quickly, they'll dominate the server by sheer numbers, shutting down all trade and world boss activities for smaller groups. That means 5 to 6 major game features could end up being completely irrelevant.

Future updates will also include small caves for mining rare resources, along with special events. If you let zerg guilds teleport or arrive instantly, they’ll wipe everything clean and claim it all for themselves. Once again, the travel system needs to be designed specifically to make things harder for zergs.

Did you play Throne and Liberty? Same thing happened there an event would spawn, and the zerg guilds would arrive within a minute. I call them "locust guilds", in reference to the plagues of Egypt: they show up, destroy a server, and then the devs even let them transfer to new servers to start the cycle again.

That’s why Ashes of Creation, a beautiful project with a dynamic and evolving world, needs to protect its ecosystem. As I mentioned earlier, there will be public transportation, faster mounts, and a family regrouping system to help with travel without giving an unfair advantage to zergs.

ChickenInSpace

I feel like anyone arguing you shouldn't spend an hour running from one node to another hasn't played or travelled in the game.

Travelling in the game is AWESOME. It's dangerous (not just potential players, but mobs too), rewarding, beautiful, exciting, and DOESN'T TAKE AN HOUR FROM ONE NODE TO ANOTHER.

The chance of stumbling onto content in your travels is also good, if you're on the lookout.

I did a check-up on all the Markets on my server, and it took me less than an hour to run the course of Riverlands and what nodes are in the Desert.

One node to another is closer to somewhere between 5 and 10 minutes, depending on landscape and running for your life.

uNworn1

80% players need fast travels, dont like this run with your legs don`t use it there is problem ? If no play 1000 players you want that 800 will stop play ? It`s will be fun for you then in server will be you and your autistic friends only ? You will pay for servers to hold it on ?

haelin

No there should not be fast travel. But I'm for many other things similar. Like being able to mail materials to people. Maybe they can make it take a day, but that will also reduce the need to travel just to trade with someone far away. Mail that takes a day to ship is still in the realm of immersion so it shouldn't kill the game aesthetic. However, I think mailing gold shouldn't be a thing, it would just encourage gold buying.

What they absolutely need to do imo is that when a node levels up woodshop, it levels up lumberjacking, lumber milling and carpentry for example. No more of this it levels one thing up shit, I can't stand that and that is something that is a pain in the ass for travel. You could just have the need for double up professions in different biomes where, for example, an apprentice woodshop in the desert is needed to process all the apprentice trees from the desert. So there is a different reason to travel, but also allows people to stay in one place if they want to make certain things with the wood from the biome. This can be the same for mining and other things. They could also make it where armor smithing and weapon smithing metalworking is different than metalworking for jewelry. For example, metalworking for people who chose jewelry only can make tin, bronze, copper ingots not mixed ingots like bronze and brass etc. And then just make armor and weapon smithing need mixed ingots and jewelry need pure ingots. This also allows for balance and still reason to traverse the map.

Also, hopefully mounts can go up to %300+ and traveling will be less of a burden. It would also be less of a burden too if they had auto path running like they did in BDO. These are all QoL things that need to be in the game that don't rely on us just lazily adding fast travel. And make this only in non-lawless zone areas. but in lawless zones you have to move where you want with no auto pathing./

There are ways around making traveling less cumbersome and not rely on fast traveling which, I promise you, will be abused for things other than the "80% of players who don't have time to walk everywhere".

Imnotkio

The only teleport I'd like to see is teleport back to your node you're a citizen of, if your material inventory is completely empty (players already do this by dying and respawning on their home points), and a metropolis-based teleport superpower, as it's already intended.

Remove the family summon and remove the respawn on a home point.

Other than that, faster travel is enough, like flight paths and public transportation with caravans and ships from node to node.

Feno86

uNworn1 wrote: »

Not everyone have time in life run 2 haurs in game from one node to another.... So yes fast travel must be in game, who don`t like it just dont use and will be for you the same like now

Dude, if you don’t have time to play the game, play a quick match of Call of Duty or FIFA. It’s what the developers want, and I hope they won’t listen to that kind of request. This generation that wants everything immediately without doing anything really tires me out.
Go to T&L for that.
So no. Fast travel must not be in the game.

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