What keeps me from playing

Skills for crafting taking longer then it takes me to level.

Waiting for nodes to catch up to our crafting so that we can sell items to players.

Finally making level 10 gear when people are level 15-20, it does not feel organic as a whole.

Grinding for hours and walking away mostly empty handed and feeling like the only gain I made was some exp

Spending more time looking for a team then playing

Getting to level 20 and most of my gear is grey

Spending to much time figuring out quests when a boring grind would have yielded better results.

Traveling vast distances to only have team after team dissolve because it takes everyone 30 min to get a team together somewhere.

With the above statement, doing this same process three to four times in a evening and realize you would have spent better time grinding mobs for 2hrs to get 20% of an exp bar

Frustrated that there is no other path to level but grind

Coming to terms that crafting is the main way to get gear and its not a fun system but designed to have as much clicking as possible over the thought of a fun process

Getting your char wiped because the economy is broken and your starting over with the economy still broken

Playing honestly and the same players exploiting last week are doing it again with very little action being taken

Conclusion: I love the vision and the end goal of Ashes. I love the classes and the combat but I feel the staff that has many years of experience on how to make an MMO, some of the staff going back to making EQ1 back in the 90s. Need to be listed too on how to look after these things. Everything does not need to be reinvited. Pls start tapping into the staff at IS for the answers to these problems. At this point people are walking away. My entire guild, Lore Forge has just disbanded.

What is your pain point?

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Ludullu

Azherae wrote: »

But there's just no answer. If I get a Blue Tier Bow from a dungeon and I don't use bows, I want daggers, and I run it 2x more and don't get Blue Daggers, it's not hard to say I 'came away with nothing'.

At least, I'm very aware of a large number of people who will do that.

Imagine getting the Blue Tier Bow TWICE. The outrage is a meaningful thing.

This was sometimes the case in a particular L2 update, but on a server-wide scale. There was only one source of BiS weapons (an instance too). And the weaps only dropped from the boss at the end and out of a whole list of them for all classes only 1-2 would drop per farm. And you could only farm it twice a week and needed 36 people to enter the dungeon.

And sometimes the drops across everyone who farmed that boss in the first weeks were so wack, that several classes went w/o new BiS items for that time. So quite often guilds would start making alts to fill out the slots required for entrance and would go as low as possible on the proper attacking member numbers, just to bump up the overall rates of getting something good.

A few people would complain if they didn't get a drop in a week or two, but ultimately everyone knew that it was just chance and that those other items made the guild stronger, so even the complainers just kept playing and supporting their guild.

If L2 was played mostly by casuals - they'd fucking leave the game after the first week

Azherae

Ludullu wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

But there's just no answer. If I get a Blue Tier Bow from a dungeon and I don't use bows, I want daggers, and I run it 2x more and don't get Blue Daggers, it's not hard to say I 'came away with nothing'.

At least, I'm very aware of a large number of people who will do that.

Imagine getting the Blue Tier Bow TWICE. The outrage is a meaningful thing.

This was sometimes the case in a particular L2 update, but on a server-wide scale. There was only one source of BiS weapons (an instance too). And the weaps only dropped from the boss at the end and out of a whole list of them for all classes only 1-2 would drop per farm. And you could only farm it twice a week and needed 36 people to enter the dungeon.

And sometimes the drops across everyone who farmed that boss in the first weeks were so wack, that several classes went w/o new BiS items for that time. So quite often guilds would start making alts to fill out the slots required for entrance and would go as low as possible on the proper attacking member numbers, just to bump up the overall rates of getting something good.

A few people would complain if they didn't get a drop in a week or two, but ultimately everyone knew that it was just chance and that those other items made the guild stronger, so even the complainers just kept playing and supporting their guild.

If L2 was played mostly by casuals - they'd fucking leave the game after the first week

This isn't the same though, it's more like 'inviting 4 casuals to fill out the last few slots for the 36', then 'they get less contribution rewards because they are casual and don't have as much contribution', and they see the top players get weapons, and then go:

"Wtf why does this boss only drop 2 items, how am I supposed to get mine?"

There's no way to explain to that person 'you're not even supposed to get one yet' without making most of them mad.

Ludullu

Azherae wrote: »

This isn't the same though, it's more like 'inviting 4 casuals to fill out the last few slots for the 36', then 'they get less contribution rewards because they are casual and don't have as much contribution', and they see the top players get weapons, and then go:

"Wtf why does this boss only drop 2 items, how am I supposed to get mine?"

There's no way to explain to that person 'you're not even supposed to get one yet' without making most of them mad.

Yeah, we've had a few of those over the years, cause before alts the dungeon slots would be filled with any players that might've not had the gear to fight properly, but had the proper lvl. And suuuuper rarely we'd even get total randoms into the raid as well, though that would usually be the last resort.

And yeah, sometimes those extra players would think that they deserved some loot from a piece of content that they barely had anything to do with. Though majority of these players would get filtered out either way before this boss or soon after it. And that was in L2 day and in L2. I'd imagine that type of player would not even think of playing Ashes, as soon as they learn that rewards from mobs are not universal and can be completely horded by others.

Andi

What keeps me from playing is two-fold:
- The cheaters/exploiters not being banned
- Performance/game not being optimised

The second point isn't something I blame Intrepid for. They can do that when the game is feature complete. But their relationship with Polar and Enveus makes them look corrupt.

UlrikStormcrow

I jumped in again recently to see what the rogue was about but the new player experience is so horrendous, can't do it, no idea where to go on everything and not sure but it seemed like there were bots in goblin area auto attacking everything.....or running on scripts....then went to crafting guy but nothing about the beginning player onboarding is intuitive or laid out.....even the second quest...go attune yourself...it directs you to a cleric but in actuality its north of there.....they just need to seriously revamp the entire first steps for new players....and what they said up above the crafting is so convoluted, so many steps...unless you are in a guild where you have people just doing mats, then others doing just crafting and others just doing gathering....and the sheer small size of ivnentory is another thing....

GreatPhilisopher

Caww wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

....Another theoretical solution is to give casual players best in slot gear, but in a way where it is only best in slot for casual content....

Another, possibly easier solution to enact and manage, would be to remove crafting restrictions and allow players to craft their own decent but not BIS gear. Also, stop the insanely long processing times, 1 minute per item??!!! Hell, I processed 25 timber and for 25 minutes I went out back and cleaned the rear deck. That is just insane, make people stare at the screen for no good reason, a process per item shouldn't be longer than 5 seconds each (I think I hi-jacked this thread a little bit to vent on how stupid the timetables are for processing).

true , i dont think they understand that good game play isnt stupid grind but accessibility and then making higher tier stuff have a mix of easily gathered mats, mid difficulty stuff and a piece or two that are hard to get which is what leads to adventure ,group play,pvp and conflict not having everything in the game require a billion mat,hours and money even a beginner tool ..its so stupid

nanfoodle

GreatPhilisopher wrote: »

Caww wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

....Another theoretical solution is to give casual players best in slot gear, but in a way where it is only best in slot for casual content....

Another, possibly easier solution to enact and manage, would be to remove crafting restrictions and allow players to craft their own decent but not BIS gear. Also, stop the insanely long processing times, 1 minute per item??!!! Hell, I processed 25 timber and for 25 minutes I went out back and cleaned the rear deck. That is just insane, make people stare at the screen for no good reason, a process per item shouldn't be longer than 5 seconds each (I think I hi-jacked this thread a little bit to vent on how stupid the timetables are for processing).

true , i dont think they understand that good game play isnt stupid grind but accessibility and then making higher tier stuff have a mix of easily gathered mats, mid difficulty stuff and a piece or two that are hard to get which is what leads to adventure ,group play,pvp and conflict not having everything in the game require a billion mat,hours and money even a beginner tool ..its so stupid

I played Chrono Odyssey last weekend and was thrilled to craft items that were meaningful within the level I needed them. Also getting exp that leveled my char so I didnt fall behind while crafting. I am not saying Chrono is a standard of an awesome game, I would just like to see Ashes tuned crafting this way as well.

Volgaris

nanfoodle wrote: »

Conclusion: I love the vision and the end goal of Ashes. I love the classes and the combat but I feel the staff that has many years of experience on how to make an MMO, some of the staff going back to making EQ1 back in the 90s. Need to be listed too on how to look after these things. Everything does not need to be reinvited. Pls start tapping into the staff at IS for the answers to these problems. At this point people are walking away. My entire guild, Lore Forge has just disbanded.

What is your pain point?

Basically everything you mentioned is a pain point to me.

Skills for crafting taking longer then it takes me to level.
It's not organic at all. It's a large detour to leveling it's not worth the time until you're max level. Which is actually a problem is most MMOs, but much worse in this Alpha.

Waiting for nodes to catch up to our crafting so that we can sell items to players.
I think this will balance out as the world grows and more testers are testing. If the wars don't keep Nodes down.

Finally making level 10 gear when people are level 15-20, it does not feel organic as a whole.
YES! This right here bugs me so much. Low level crafting has ZERO value.

Grinding for hours and walking away mostly empty handed and feeling like the only gain I made was some exp
This can be rough, but a lot of this lack of reward is because materials really have no value on the market and crafting has no value. I think this will be better after other systems are smoothed out.

Spending more time looking for a team then playing
We need a good LFG/LFM tool. I'm a fan of Pantheons. Also there's not many people testing. Many that are have power leveled and at cap. Power leveling will need to be stopped too, it'll be a solved game when it releases and people will find these power leveling routes/exploits and they will use them if they're left in.

Getting to level 20 and most of my gear is grey
This is caused by the crafting issue.

Spending to much time figuring out quests when a boring grind would have yielded better results.
Leveling Meta. This is too slow, I'll just grind. Or grinding is too slow I'll just quest. Why quest or grind if you can just power level? They are taking questions on quests at the top of the forums. It'd be worth stating your opinions there if you haven't already.

Traveling vast distances to only have team after team dissolve because it takes everyone 30 min to get a team together somewhere.
Although this sucks there's nothing to be done about it. Later there will be some summons and other forms of fast travel to ease this, but it'll never be like the theme park MMOs and shouldn't. Also the realm is pretty empty. I found leveling in a group of 2 or 3 to be the fastest and most fun option.

With the above statement, doing this same process three to four times in a evening and realize you would have spent better time grinding mobs for 2hrs to get 20% of an exp bar
The grind doesn't bother me, as long as everyone is subjected to the same grind and there's no powerlevel short cuts. Solo grinding will be the slowest, a good group should be the fastest, and paired or trio should be a good middle ground. Also gathering and crafting should reward more exp, but not as much as solo grinding. If we think about this as EXP PER HOUR. Just my opinions.

Frustrated that there is no other path to level but grind
Hate to say this but, yeah it's alpha, there'll be more, lots of systems haven't come online. But yes it IS frustrating. Take a break, I am.

Coming to terms that crafting is the main way to get gear and its not a fun system but designed to have as much clicking as possible over the thought of a fun process
In P3 they might be working on some of this, at least that's what I took away from the May dev stream. So lets hope for some improvements.

Getting your char wiped because the economy is broken and your starting over with the economy still broken
I think this is a major reason a lot of people have ignored P2.5. I don't blame them and I don't blame Intrepid, these are things that need to be fix. Could it have been done better? Maybe, no for us to know.

Playing honestly and the same players exploiting last week are doing it again with very little action being taken
I hear about this a lot. Think about it this way. The exploiters are studying the game and Intrepid is studying the exploiters. If they just banned them out right they'd be missing opportunities to study them. Also have to be careful banning, might be a false positive. This game WILL fail if there's exploiting or RMT, any form of cheating. This is my biggest worry and as it is right now they aren't doing enough and don't plan to, I think this will kill the game.

I think a lot of people walked into this with a Early Access or Head Start mentality. The game is very much NOT finished and there will be bugs, wipes, exploiting, imbalances, and so on. Actually testing developing software is HARD, it's time consuming and punishing. The lack of communication we've had from Intrepid makes it worse. People are just doing whatever, and what they want to do is play the game. Intrepid is getting "data" but testers don't know what's going and see very little value in their efforts. People wanting to play the game are frustrated because it's not finished mostly, people wanting to test the game are frustrated because our "testing" is just playing and we don't see results. And it's probably because we're testing stuff that the devs aren't focused on. Testers are burning cycles for no reason... 2.5 is focused on the networking, but that doesn't mean they can't be pushing other changes to classes, assets, mob ai, ect. Intrepid calls this open development, and it is in a way, but it's also very closed too.

The fix? Global messages, game start notifications/messages, dev streams, and or wiki updates of the current testing goals. If you want to test those, do so, if you don't then don't.

Volgaris

Caww wrote: »

the grind is overdone and should not be considered good gameplay, it's not even an original or fresh concept, which a lot of AoC is supposed to be premised on...

I'll agree the crafting grind isn't fun, the leveling grind doesn't bother me at all. I don't enjoy the 'hell' levels at all though. Would originality or fresh concept did you expect? I was under the impression some old school systems were coming back, such as the grinding for levels. I would say the grind is WAY over done for testing though.

Volgaris

ShaggyRyn wrote: »

SmileGurney wrote: »

I played some pretty grindy games in my time...but yeah, Ashes progression paths are simply NOT enjoyable. This doesn't press any of my buttons. There is no feeling of reward or progression. Extremely low drop rates from mobs. Crafting recipe drop rates should be improved, especially if crafting is supposed to be THE SOURCE of gear. Resource cost and crafting COMPLEXITY of crafted level 0 and level 10 gear have to be far lower. The same should apply to early node progression and buildings. Stop pushing the grind where it doesn't belong. This is part of the reason why the whole game is just falling apart.

The grind wouldn’t be terrible if it was broken up by other enjoyable content. I can take it every once in a while but dang. Sitting in one spot for 8 hours with no change in gear, lvl, or story it gets dull fast. The combat is really fun but right now the fastest ways to level takes that away because you just get into a huge raid and mass mob everything. There isn’t much thinking. The most fun Iv had was running around with a small group jumping around buildings looking for named mobs to snipe. As far as early crafting I couldn’t agree more. There is no reason the early game of crafting should be this complicated and slow. You have to let people feel engaged and fulfilled early on if you want them to stick it out through the really complex stuff.

Zerging POIs is what killed NW for me. I thought is was fixed in ashes but I guess I'm wrong. It's such a glaring issue I don't understand why they'd leave it.... unless they're tailoring the game to massive groups and streamies. And that'll last all of 3 months for them.

GreatPhilisopher

nanfoodle wrote: »

GreatPhilisopher wrote: »

Caww wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

....Another theoretical solution is to give casual players best in slot gear, but in a way where it is only best in slot for casual content....

Another, possibly easier solution to enact and manage, would be to remove crafting restrictions and allow players to craft their own decent but not BIS gear. Also, stop the insanely long processing times, 1 minute per item??!!! Hell, I processed 25 timber and for 25 minutes I went out back and cleaned the rear deck. That is just insane, make people stare at the screen for no good reason, a process per item shouldn't be longer than 5 seconds each (I think I hi-jacked this thread a little bit to vent on how stupid the timetables are for processing).

true , i dont think they understand that good game play isnt stupid grind but accessibility and then making higher tier stuff have a mix of easily gathered mats, mid difficulty stuff and a piece or two that are hard to get which is what leads to adventure ,group play,pvp and conflict not having everything in the game require a billion mat,hours and money even a beginner tool ..its so stupid

I played Chrono Odyssey last weekend and was thrilled to craft items that were meaningful within the level I needed them. Also getting exp that leveled my char so I didnt fall behind while crafting. I am not saying Chrono is a standard of an awesome game, I would just like to see Ashes tuned crafting this way as well.

i did too and it was so nice , i did some quests that gave me and made me craft stuff from weapons to potions to artisan tools after that i easily went and got stuff from around the starting camp area and bought some from the auction house and crafted myself a full newbie gear and more artisan tools in like an hour , took a few tries to look at what i need for items and go back and forth to get them took about an hour or so and that i would of not been able to beat the first boss or at least would of taken me a lot longer without it.

meanwhile if i wanted to craft 1 piece of a newbie gear in ashes it will take me an hour to even know where i craft them at then a whole day to even know how to craft 1 piece with how convoluted and overblown the crafting and its steps are then probably another few days to even know where to get its mats and well an infinite amount of time to get any of these items without counting the travel time between all of that BS lmao , might exaggerated a bit but it feels like that

Xeeg

nanfoodle wrote: »

Skills for crafting taking longer then it takes me to level.

Yes, but you are leveling professions, arguably as important as character level, if not more.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Waiting for nodes to catch up to our crafting so that we can sell items to players.

Why wait? Do buy orders. Although granted that accumulating node tickets is useless this phase.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Finally making level 10 gear when people are level 15-20, it does not feel organic as a whole.

Yes, but they are lacking in professions at this point, or they are just spending more time. Many of the people that "grind to 25" in the first weekend end up quitting the game. Rushing to the "end", just to quit after "winning" completely misses the point of playing a game. Also, the start of this phase was REALLY easy to kill monsters and the drop rates on bosses was high. So basically, the people who rushed bosses and mob grinds in the first week or two had it 1000x easier than everyone else. Current state of the game would prevent that.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Grinding for hours and walking away mostly empty handed and feeling like the only gain I made was some exp

This is definitely an experience that makes people less exciting about logging in the next day.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Spending more time looking for a team then playing

Yup, hear you there. These days I gather or kill small mobs while group forming. Aint going to stand around "waiting" anymore.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Getting to level 20 and most of my gear is grey

The cure to that this phase was to kill the level 10 bosses during your teen phase. You should have items like hornhexers, flayers fleshripper, etc. before hitting 20. If not, your grind is going to suck so bad.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Spending to much time figuring out quests when a boring grind would have yielded better results.

I just skip quests because I dont typically like these kinds of things. Some people enjoy quest puzzles. To each their own.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Traveling vast distances to only have team after team dissolve because it takes everyone 30 min to get a team together somewhere.

Yup. You basically need to have about 2 hours available if you want to go mob grind in a PUG.

nanfoodle wrote: »

With the above statement, doing this same process three to four times in a evening and realize you would have spent better time grinding mobs for 2hrs to get 20% of an exp bar

It goes alot faster if you boss kill in your teens and get the level 10 drops from named mobs. Then make sure your PUG has done the same. Dont party with people who just "mob grind" in parties to level and never get items.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Frustrated that there is no other path to level but grind

Again, this isnt so bad if you also get items during your leveling process. It also breaks up the monotony of the mob grind.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Coming to terms that crafting is the main way to get gear and its not a fun system but designed to have as much clicking as possible over the thought of a fun process

This phase, the main way to get gear was killing bosses. Every other path was a time trap, unless you can buy cheap items on the market. If you werent killing bosses for gear, then that explains why you had a terrible phase 2.5.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Getting your char wiped because the economy is broken and your starting over with the economy still broken

Yes it was broken, but it was also focusing on different things. This phase played out mostly with boss farming as the thing to do. Teams would fight over boss kills. Sometimes it would be fun and sometimes it would be boring.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Playing honestly and the same players exploiting last week are doing it again with very little action being taken

Alot of what people think are exploits or breaking the rules simply arent. Then they play in ways that are innefficient and complain about it. Dont know if thats your case, but I've seen it alot. I dont listen to what any player says about what is an exploit or what you are allowed to do. If its in the game, and i think it will get me ahead, I do it. If the game devs dont like it, they can tell me themselves. Most of the players are wrong about what is allowed and what isnt allowed. Ignore them and think for yourself.

xenith_terrek

nanfoodle wrote: »

Skills for crafting taking longer then it takes me to level.

Waiting for nodes to catch up to our crafting so that we can sell items to players.

Finally making level 10 gear when people are level 15-20, it does not feel organic as a whole.

Grinding for hours and walking away mostly empty handed and feeling like the only gain I made was some exp

Spending more time looking for a team then playing

Getting to level 20 and most of my gear is grey

Spending to much time figuring out quests when a boring grind would have yielded better results.

Traveling vast distances to only have team after team dissolve because it takes everyone 30 min to get a team together somewhere.

With the above statement, doing this same process three to four times in a evening and realize you would have spent better time grinding mobs for 2hrs to get 20% of an exp bar

Frustrated that there is no other path to level but grind

Coming to terms that crafting is the main way to get gear and its not a fun system but designed to have as much clicking as possible over the thought of a fun process

Getting your char wiped because the economy is broken and your starting over with the economy still broken

Playing honestly and the same players exploiting last week are doing it again with very little action being taken

Conclusion: I love the vision and the end goal of Ashes. I love the classes and the combat but I feel the staff that has many years of experience on how to make an MMO, some of the staff going back to making EQ1 back in the 90s. Need to be listed too on how to look after these things. Everything does not need to be reinvited. Pls start tapping into the staff at IS for the answers to these problems. At this point people are walking away. My entire guild, Lore Forge has just disbanded.

What is your pain point?

All of what you said is truly painful and I can agree. Thankfully I'm a Test Manager IRL and know that the end product won't look nor feel like this.

My current pain point is that I have a pretty good PC and can't run the game in any populated area w/o blue-screen-crashing out.

Yes, optimizations come usually in the open/closed beta phases (which we're nowhere near yet), but I do feel a certain degree of optimization should be baselined in order for people with moderately high-end PC's to properly test the game.

Aszkalon

xenith_terrek wrote: »

Thankfully I'm a Test Manager IRL and know that the end product won't look nor feel like this.

It flippin' better.

Otherwise Ashes " WILL " - die the usual Death after like Three to Nine Weeks after Release. Which would be a real Shame if we take the massive Preparation-Campaign into Account which was created to slowly bring the Game onto it's way since the likes of 2016.

I can predict this with a 100% Confidence rate, if soul-less, soul-crushing grinds and constant MASS. MURDERS. of Mobs in random Places are the only way to level up your Character.

Noaani

What keeps me from playing is nothing to do with the state of the test, it is 100% Intrepid, and the shape of the communication they have had with testers.

I've tested aspects of the game that I am particularly well equipped to test, and passed my comments on directly to the developers involved.

With that done, I look around at what is happening in the community and ask myself "why bother?".

These forums are the only place the community has to hold real discussion. Reddit is a cesspool, as always, and Discord is just not designed to facilitate long form discussion. With that in mind, Intrepid only really communicate with the community via these two avenues, completely ignoring their own forum.

It's almost as if Steven is afraid of getting involved in actual discussion about the game - he has posted exactly three times in the past two years here.

When you look over communication from Intrepid, they are posting here asking for things from us, but on Discord specifically (and Reddit from what I have been told) talking about aspects of the game that not only have never been mentioned, but that are contrary to what has been communicated to us in the past.

When this is the communication we are getting here, it leads me to my above conclusion of "why bother?".

If those of us that opt to be a part of this games community on these forums as it is the ONLY place where actual discussion can be had are to be treated as second class testers, why should we spend our time testing?

It would be one thing if no information or discussion was coming from Intrepid, but when it is, and it is only coming on Discord where actual discussion on a topic isn't really viable, jt leaves those of us here as being second class testers.

daveywavey

Noaani wrote: »

What keeps me from playing is nothing to do with the state of the test, it is 100% Intrepid, and the shape of the communication they have had with testers.

I've tested aspects of the game that I am particularly well equipped to test, and passed my comments on directly to the developers involved.

With that done, I look around at what is happening in the community and ask myself "why bother?".

These forums are the only place the community has to hold real discussion. Reddit is a cesspool, as always, and Discord is just not designed to facilitate long form discussion. With that in mind, Intrepid only really communicate with the community via these two avenues, completely ignoring their own forum.

It's almost as if Steven is afraid of getting involved in actual discussion about the game - he has posted exactly three times in the past two years here.

When you look over communication from Intrepid, they are posting here asking for things from us, but on Discord specifically (and Reddit from what I have been told) talking about aspects of the game that not only have never been mentioned, but that are contrary to what has been communicated to us in the past.

When this is the communication we are getting here, it leads me to my above conclusion of "why bother?".

If those of us that opt to be a part of this games community on these forums as it is the ONLY place where actual discussion can be had are to be treated as second class testers, why should we spend our time testing?

It would be one thing if no information or discussion was coming from Intrepid, but when it is, and it is only coming on Discord where actual discussion on a topic isn't really viable, jt leaves those of us here as being second class testers.

Don't forget that the Livestream Q&A was also removed from these official forums and restricted to the third party platform Twitch, so that only people currently able to access the livestream at that very moment can participate.

AidanKD

Honestly as someone who is barely a lurker now but used to frequent here often enough - the fact that @Noaani is at the end of their tether is probably the biggest sign to me that they really have cocked up something that is very avoidable.

Isn't Vaknar the only person that checks out the forums? It wouldn't be hard to at least delegate some other senior decision makers to be a bit more vocal on the forums and it would also encourage more activity if people felt they were going to get some reciprocation.

Ludullu

AidanKD wrote: »

Isn't Vaknar the only person that checks out the forums? It wouldn't be hard to at least delegate some other senior decision makers to be a bit more vocal on the forums and it would also encourage more activity if people felt they were going to get some reciprocation.

Pretty much no one checks the forums. Spam threads stay up for literally 8-12h almost every other day. It takes a few seconds to glance at a few pages of forum threads and make sure that the forum doesn't have dangerous spam links. But no, that is too hard...

Ludullu

Increible triple case in point here. Steven responded to a thread on reddit yesterday, chatted in discord, while his last VISIT here was in fucking january.

All while, yesterday we had a spam thread up for 8 hours and today we've had one for an entire hour already...

Who cares about forum? That's right, fucking no one.

daveywavey

Ludullu wrote: »

Who cares about forum? That's right, fucking no one.

I do!

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You'll just have to imagine it.

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