Skin free Server type

I hate skins (edit: and Transmog) in MMORPGs. They destroy immersion and the credibility of the items.

Please, after the full release of Ashes, release a server type alongside normal servers where the in-game shop and all its contents are disabled. Access to such skin-free (edit: and Transmog) shop completely disabled servers would require some kind of premium (T2 subscription).

I would be willing to pay twice the monthly subscription fee for that.

Find more posts tagged with

Comments

Sophisticus

nanfoodle wrote: »

Sophisticus wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Sophisticus wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Sophisticus wrote: »

I mean Skins and Transmog and everything else in a ingame Shop.I just want "the real" look of the gear we wear.

There is tones of skins you can earn in game as well. Buy them or earn them, it will be few that will show their true gear. There will be as many to earn in game as in the cosmetics shop.

disable ingame self-earn skins too.
everything that are Skins/Transmog or everything from the shop should be disabled on this premium server.

So your asking IS to have a server where a main sorce of income for the game should be totally turned off?

yes, That is why access to such servers should incur additional costs like double sub fee

This idea gets worse and worse. A pay wall like that would stop many from joining even if they like no one using skins. So a server that makes less money and still needs system resources for a very small population.

But that would only be the case if such servers had such a small population that they couldn't cover the server costs. I'm willing to pay double the subscription fee for a good MMORPG. Perhaps many others feel the same way?

Aszkalon

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

A skinless server...

There could hardly be a more accurate User than Sophisticus asking for this, according to his Avatar. (lol)

* hides *

Enigmatic Sage

Aszkalon wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

A skinless server...

There could hardly be a more accurate User than Sophisticus asking for this, according to his Avatar. (lol)

* hides *

i was trying to find a good picture then I remember hell raiser's uncle frank lol

unknown

This content has been removed.

MincVinyl

Sophisticus wrote: »

I hate skins (edit: and Transmog) in MMORPGs. They destroy immersion and the credibility of the items.

Please, after the full release of Ashes, release a server type alongside normal servers where the in-game shop and all its contents are disabled. Access to such skin-free (edit: and Transmog) shop completely disabled servers would require some kind of premium (T2 subscription).

I would be willing to pay twice the monthly subscription fee for that.

Why not just make an option for you to toggle skins off on your client alone?

Sophisticus

MincVinyl wrote: »

Sophisticus wrote: »

I hate skins (edit: and Transmog) in MMORPGs. They destroy immersion and the credibility of the items.

Please, after the full release of Ashes, release a server type alongside normal servers where the in-game shop and all its contents are disabled. Access to such skin-free (edit: and Transmog) shop completely disabled servers would require some kind of premium (T2 subscription).

I would be willing to pay twice the monthly subscription fee for that.

Why not just make an option for you to toggle skins off on your client alone?

Because it is important to me that all players I play with on a server experience the same world. With an individual toggle, however, the same person would look different to different players. This damages a credible and persistent game world.

nanfoodle

Sophisticus wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Sophisticus wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Sophisticus wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Sophisticus wrote: »

I mean Skins and Transmog and everything else in a ingame Shop.I just want "the real" look of the gear we wear.

There is tones of skins you can earn in game as well. Buy them or earn them, it will be few that will show their true gear. There will be as many to earn in game as in the cosmetics shop.

disable ingame self-earn skins too.
everything that are Skins/Transmog or everything from the shop should be disabled on this premium server.

So your asking IS to have a server where a main sorce of income for the game should be totally turned off?

yes, That is why access to such servers should incur additional costs like double sub fee

This idea gets worse and worse. A pay wall like that would stop many from joining even if they like no one using skins. So a server that makes less money and still needs system resources for a very small population.

But that would only be the case if such servers had such a small population that they couldn't cover the server costs. I'm willing to pay double the subscription fee for a good MMORPG. Perhaps many others feel the same way?

But that wouldn't happen. You would need large support. Does this thread look like you have that support? My guess with that large number of free skins you can earn and most backers owning skins already, would not support paying twice as much so they can throw away their skins.

Noaani

MincVinyl wrote: »

Sophisticus wrote: »

I hate skins (edit: and Transmog) in MMORPGs. They destroy immersion and the credibility of the items.

Please, after the full release of Ashes, release a server type alongside normal servers where the in-game shop and all its contents are disabled. Access to such skin-free (edit: and Transmog) shop completely disabled servers would require some kind of premium (T2 subscription).

I would be willing to pay twice the monthly subscription fee for that.

Why not just make an option for you to toggle skins off on your client alone?

Because part of what Intrepid are selling with all appearance items is the ability to show your character to others how you want others to see it.

If players have a toggle to not see your character the way you paid to show it, why pay to show it the way you want?

Im still of the opinion that a PvP game should only ever show characters wearing the items that they are deriving stats and effects from, but as cosmetics are Intrepids secondary revenue source, their hands are tied in this regard, and no amount of discussion on the topic is going to change Stevens mind.

nanfoodle

Noaani wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

Sophisticus wrote: »

I hate skins (edit: and Transmog) in MMORPGs. They destroy immersion and the credibility of the items.

Please, after the full release of Ashes, release a server type alongside normal servers where the in-game shop and all its contents are disabled. Access to such skin-free (edit: and Transmog) shop completely disabled servers would require some kind of premium (T2 subscription).

I would be willing to pay twice the monthly subscription fee for that.

Why not just make an option for you to toggle skins off on your client alone?

Because part of what Intrepid are selling with all appearance items is the ability to show your character to others how you want others to see it.

If players have a toggle to not see your character the way you paid to show it, why pay to show it the way you want?

Im still of the opinion that a PvP game should only ever show characters wearing the items that they are deriving stats and effects from, but as cosmetics are Intrepids secondary revenue source, their hands are tied in this regard, and no amount of discussion on the topic is going to change Stevens mind.

Long gone are the days when looking at an avatar let you gage how you would interact with them in combat but I would not pay more to have that brought back. It is what it is.

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

Sophisticus wrote: »

I hate skins (edit: and Transmog) in MMORPGs. They destroy immersion and the credibility of the items.

Please, after the full release of Ashes, release a server type alongside normal servers where the in-game shop and all its contents are disabled. Access to such skin-free (edit: and Transmog) shop completely disabled servers would require some kind of premium (T2 subscription).

I would be willing to pay twice the monthly subscription fee for that.

Why not just make an option for you to toggle skins off on your client alone?

Because part of what Intrepid are selling with all appearance items is the ability to show your character to others how you want others to see it.

If players have a toggle to not see your character the way you paid to show it, why pay to show it the way you want?

Im still of the opinion that a PvP game should only ever show characters wearing the items that they are deriving stats and effects from, but as cosmetics are Intrepids secondary revenue source, their hands are tied in this regard, and no amount of discussion on the topic is going to change Stevens mind.

Long gone are the days when looking at an avatar let you gage how you would interact with them in combat but I would not pay more to have that brought back. It is what it is.

Yeah, I would also.

My hope is that the next MMO that comes along listens to this, because when an MMORPG gets to the point where it exchanges in game looks for money (which Ashes first did in 2017), it is too late to change.

FallenPaladin

Back then there were new skins every month and if you missed out one month then that would be all she wrote. Now, finally the purchases (if any) come into effect and the money spent is paying off, with alpha II:3. I bought more than a handful myself, and in my honest opinion they add an element of flavor and originality to the game. If it were not for unique skins and transmog(s), everyone would look the same. Its cool running across that paladin with knight's armor that not everyone has. Or seeing a guild member or two with a unique blade or piece of armor or mount. It shows dedication and loyalty to the game, and genre. I like it.

Sophisticus

FallenPaladin wrote: »

Back then there were new skins every month and if you missed out one month then that would be all she wrote. Now, finally the purchases (if any) come into effect and the money spent is paying off, with alpha II:3. I bought more than a handful myself, and in my honest opinion they add an element of flavor and originality to the game. If it were not for unique skins and transmog(s), everyone would look the same. Its cool running across that paladin with knight's armor that not everyone has. Or seeing a guild member or two with a unique blade or piece of armor or mount. It shows dedication and loyalty to the game, and genre. I like it.

You can also achieve this feeling of rarity and special appearance without skins and transmog by earning them in-game rather than simply being the first to spend a lot of money on them. That's lame, meaningless, and destroys the immersion of the game world.

Of course, the game must also offer variety, with sets that look very different and the best armor being so rare that only a small handful of players can obtain it. Variety in breadth, rarity in depth.

Whatever. You can keep your “valuable” skins. All I ask for is a server where transmogs and skins are not possible and the in-game shop is completely disabled. I would pay double the subscription fee for that.

Sophisticus

Please, Steven. I'm willing to give you more money. You won't make any money off me with skins.

unknownsystemerror

This essentially comes down to the same argument that has been seen repeatedly by anyone who thinks "Intrepid has to do what I want, or they will fail!" and Intrepid keeps keeping on. Imagine I said I want a PVE only server (multiple threads), a PVP only server, a RP server where I can kick you from it if you do not constantly act in the way that I have approved as being "in lore and character" or a "No Canadians!" server (sorry Canadians for catching that stray bullet).
The answer from Steven and Intrepid over the years has always been the same. There will be no alternative ruleset servers. They feel confident that how settlements are meant to change Verra and the content available will allow for people to "create their own story" and that they will be able to survive as a sub only game with OPTIONAL cosmetic cash shop (note the OPTIONAL there, don't want to buy any skins, don't).

Korela

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

This essentially comes down to the same argument that has been seen repeatedly by anyone who thinks "Intrepid has to do what I want, or they will fail!" and Intrepid keeps keeping on. Imagine I said I want a PVE only server (multiple threads), a PVP only server, a RP server where I can kick you from it if you do not constantly act in the way that I have approved as being "in lore and character" or a "No Canadians!" server (sorry Canadians for catching that stray bullet).
The answer from Steven and Intrepid over the years has always been the same. There will be no alternative ruleset servers. They feel confident that how settlements are meant to change Verra and the content available will allow for people to "create their own story" and that they will be able to survive as a sub only game with OPTIONAL cosmetic cash shop (note the OPTIONAL there, don't want to buy any skins, don't).

This is an unfair statement in this context. Moreover, it doesn't matter whether he buys it or not, because in this system the presence of cosmetics in the game is inevitable anyway. And this argument stinks. You can use this half-truth and say something like: "In a P2W game, you don't have to pay." Well, yes, but you still have to deal with the negative side of paying. Don't forget that playing Ashes is also OPTIONAL.

Aszkalon

You realise you are at a VERY shitty point of time during Development when the first Page of "General Discussion" is filled with Topics like these for more than Three Weeks or so.

Damn i can't wait for my beautiful, be~aaauuuutiful Summoner - to be here.

Vhaeyne

Sophisticus wrote: »

Please, Steven. I'm willing to give you more money. You won't make any money off me with skins.

Don't worry bro. I'll buy an extra skin or two to keep you covered. I got you.

Real talk though. It is actually better for the game than alternatives like: "Paid quality of life".

Not a lot of open world PvX games on the market doing well. Good cosmetics won't hurt the game.

Child Item