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Drop the hammer

nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
in General Discussion
If we dont perma ban people who keep cheating and exploiting. It will just have others feel free to do much the same. Its time to let people know this is not worth it. These should be confirmed reported and not used.

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  • SmileGurneySmileGurney Member, Alpha Two
    If cheating isn't good, then why it's paid for my early retirement?
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  • LumberJakLumberJak Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    It will be a wonderful day when Intrepid learn some integrity and actually hold their favourite guilds accountable for their actions.

    People exploiting with no repercussions less than a week after Steven made a big post specifically stating that exploiters will be permanently banned is such a joke.
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  • RasmanitRasmanit Member, Alpha Two
    :D
  • SpyMaskSpyMask Member, Alpha Two
    edited September 5
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    Won't have a respite till every single polar exploiter is punished
    Edit: this is from this phase when they mysteriously managed to outlevel everyone in 2 (two) days
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  • GoratrixGoratrix Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    What are we looking at here? Boss half HP, player 3/4 HP... what's the deal?
    Keyboard warriors ought to just git gud ffs.
  • LakkezLakkez Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
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    one pic is hardly proof of cheating or exploiting. here are a few reasons just on this pic alone as to why. being able to kite a mob =/= exploiting the mob to where you stand still and take no damage. kiting is a skill and learning the terrain and mob pathing is not exploiting, its basic gameplay.
    this is a bad picture taken with an angle and timing that makes it seem worse than it is.
  • SeetsumaSeetsuma Member, Alpha Two
    edited September 5
    Edit: this is from this phase when they mysteriously managed to outlevel everyone in 2 (two) days

    There's literally nothing mysterious about it. 3 members of the 2nd group of 8 to hit 25 in the world streamed the entire 1-25 on twitch and have vods enabled. They were like an hour before the 1st group.
    https://www.twitch.tv/llewdlloyd/videos
    https://www.twitch.tv/whoisroxis/videos

    Miruku is the 3rd that streamed it, however I don't have his twitch name.
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Steven has joked about the public shaming of banned characters and accounts.

    I don’t think it should be a joke.

    I would love for him to disregard the “care bears” on his team who advise against it and make the names public. People deserve to know who is exploiting and what consequences they face.

    Punishments should be harsher and delivered more quickly.
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    This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
  • sternzysternzy Member, Alpha Two
    i'm a simple man. if i see people exploit and they arent held accountable i'm going to do the same.
    if i get banned then the game wasn't worth paying monthly anyway.
    rules need to be applied to everyone equally.
    i think it's pretty clear exploits were used for personal gain. to whatever degree. i seem to remember that this wasnt supposed to be allowed.
    so ya, now where all waiting for intrepid to set the example.
  • CawwCaww Member, Alpha Two
    Let them cheat, get caught and then only slapped on the wrist.... these people are finding all the loopholes the Dev team could not find or anticipate. The population of cheaters/exploiters is limited so taking advantage of the few who show an interest in this game is too good of an opportunity to squash thru bans (after all, they paid to).
  • SmileGurneySmileGurney Member, Alpha Two
    edited September 6
    On a more serious note, I doubt its in Intrepid interest at the moment to ban those cheaters who bring to their attention new glitches and exploits. Even if those cheaters do it accidently.

    I would imagine they might move against those who really break any of the game systems, act maliciously and/or disrupt their services.
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    Blown past falling sands…
  • MeppsMepps Member, Staff
    We take cheating and reports of cheating very seriously. We encourage anyone with proof to submit a report to our customer service team in a ticket.
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  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited September 6
    Sad the same people seem to magicly get lvl 25 in a day or two. Seeing pics online of people soloing level 28 three star mobs with pathing exploits. Then they take over the good spot, gear up first and wreck the economy and PVP
  • DepravedDepraved Member, Alpha Two
    i want to know what the leveling exploits where?

    leveling to 25 in 25-30 hours was doable in p1 and p2. leveling fast requires a constant party. leveling in p3 is harder for sure, but if you spent lots of time in the ptr figuring it out, then you could do it fast. also, having a full party 24/7 kind of makes up for not having too much gear.

  • EnurihelEnurihel Member, Alpha Two
    Caww wrote: »
    Let them cheat, get caught and then only slapped on the wrist.... these people are finding all the loopholes the Dev team could not find or anticipate. The population of cheaters/exploiters is limited so taking advantage of the few who show an interest in this game is too good of an opportunity to squash thru bans (after all, they paid to).

    I kind of agree, up to a point. If you find an exploit you should report it and stop using it. Continuing to use it, after Steven has put out on multiple occasions not to do so should result in a permanent ban and non-refund. At that point your not helping to test, you are actually doing more harm then good to the game. And intrepid not taking a harsher stance on this.


  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Here is our biggest problem. From Reddit, to youtubers, mmo fan URLs and more, even in discord, this is being talked about. Once a developer gets a rep, its hard to change gamers mind. For many you only get one shot at what gamers label you as. Right now, its IS and Steven are not here to protect gamers. You can exploit, sell gold and get away with it. Thats the common thought I see all over the place. Even in Ashes discord. Sad thing, this is a game designed for MMOers/Gamers by a gamer. I would hate to see this as the hill IS died on.
  • VolgarisVolgaris Member, Alpha Two
    Exploits and cheating will kill this game. They can nail everything else and make a great game to play, but no matter how good it is, if exploits and/or rmt is allowed the game will die fast. Might survive in Korea. As players we'll know, there will be clear signs.

    It's alpha, so I don't care right now, they should do what they think is best. If you don't like it, in alpha don't play/test that's how they'll know exploits are actually affecting testers. I've already invested, and I would still if I haven't yet. Report, post, and move on I say.

    When it launches if there are exploits or rmts I'll take a break until Ashes of Creations releases as Phoenix Reborn.
  • OkeydokeOkeydoke Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I don't know who's cheating or not. And I don't know if Intrepid is sanctioning cheating or picking favorites. But it is making news. The idiots at massivelyop have an article up about it.

    But I don't know and I'm not going to make any accusations against any players or Intrepid.

    Here's what I do know. And this is only in the context of IF Intrepid is sanctioning or ignoring cheating.

    You won't be able to hide it Intrepid. I promise you, you won't be able to. It's a far different environment now than it was 9 years ago when you started making the game. Gamers aren't as clueless anymore. Cheating is out of control across all genres of video games. And people are aware now. It's not a question of if people are cheating, it's just how many and how bad.

    There are multiple youtube channels dedicated solely to catching cheaters. And that they do. There is evidence in some games, Escape from Tarkov for instance, that 50-60% of the player base is cheating. Didn't Dr Lupo get busted for cheating in freakin CHESS? lol, I dunno that's what I heard. But the cheating is everywhere. People even cheat in single player games.

    And this isn't just kinda run of the mill, "oh let me just cheat a lil bit" kinda cheating. These cheaters get the same feeling of accomplishment beating content that they would get if they had done it legit. In other words, it makes no difference to them. There's literally no moral compass present. Unironically, the meteoric rise in cheating aligns pretty well with the rise in mental illness.

    As others have said, once that stain is on you as a company, it is near impossible to get off. To get it off might be a taller task than the making of the game itself. You could have made a cozy housing simulator game. But you have made the exact kind of game that will people want to cheat in most. I hope you're ready to deal with it head on.

    A couple Intrepid employees have responded to a couple of different threads here on the topic. They said that if you see cheating, provide evidence of it. That's reasonable. But it can't just be on the players. It is extremely hard for players to acquire that kind of evidence. It primarily falls on you Intrepid to police your own game. Medium to long term, we'll know if you are. I can't stress it enough. We'll know. We'll know. There's nothing you can do to change this fact. We'll know.
  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Okeydoke wrote: »
    I don't know who's cheating or not. And I don't know if Intrepid is sanctioning cheating or picking favorites. But it is making news. The idiots at massivelyop have an article up about it.

    But I don't know and I'm not going to make any accusations against any players or Intrepid.

    Here's what I do know. And this is only in the context of IF Intrepid is sanctioning or ignoring cheating.

    You won't be able to hide it Intrepid. I promise you, you won't be able to. It's a far different environment now than it was 9 years ago when you started making the game. Gamers aren't as clueless anymore. Cheating is out of control across all genres of video games. And people are aware now. It's not a question of if people are cheating, it's just how many and how bad.

    There are multiple youtube channels dedicated solely to catching cheaters. And that they do. There is evidence in some games, Escape from Tarkov for instance, that 50-60% of the player base is cheating. Didn't Dr Lupo get busted for cheating in freakin CHESS? lol, I dunno that's what I heard. But the cheating is everywhere. People even cheat in single player games.

    And this isn't just kinda run of the mill, "oh let me just cheat a lil bit" kinda cheating. These cheaters get the same feeling of accomplishment beating content that they would get if they had done it legit. In other words, it makes no difference to them. There's literally no moral compass present. Unironically, the meteoric rise in cheating aligns pretty well with the rise in mental illness.

    As others have said, once that stain is on you as a company, it is near impossible to get off. To get it off might be a taller task than the making of the game itself. You could have made a cozy housing simulator game. But you have made the exact kind of game that will people want to cheat in most. I hope you're ready to deal with it head on.

    A couple Intrepid employees have responded to a couple of different threads here on the topic. They said that if you see cheating, provide evidence of it. That's reasonable. But it can't just be on the players. It is extremely hard for players to acquire that kind of evidence. It primarily falls on you Intrepid to police your own game. Medium to long term, we'll know if you are. I can't stress it enough. We'll know. We'll know. There's nothing you can do to change this fact. We'll know.

    Ya i have been doing a deep dive on this. After spending time in Ashes discord and hearing this topic going on non-stop. I have been waiting over 10 years for a game like Ashes to come along. I'm getting old, I cant wait another 10+ years. If IS rep and wrecked this is the real scare. Steven and IS will have a long road to travel to get good with gamers again. I also 100% agree, players should say something when they see it but this is 100% on IS and the really deep data they claim to have better then any other MMO to work. They have their heat maps to zero in on the data.
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