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Intel Battlemage

NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
edited December 2024 in General Discussion
@Vaknar, or whoever at Intrepid wants to answer, is there any chance you can confirm or deny that you currently are or intend to test and optimize for the Intel GPUs? Beyond your standard answer of "we are testing on a variety of devices etc etc" I mean. :D

That new Intel Arc B580 is looking like a great budget price/performance option, and their drivers have come a long way, but in the end it has to play nice with Ashes for it to be relevant for us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjdCkSsLYLk

Comments

  • VaknarVaknar Member, Staff
    The answer we have for you is unfortunately not the one you want :(

    We aren't in the optimization phase yet. The team is indeed always looking at new tech and what makes sense to implement and optimize for as we progress with development ;)
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  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Arc GPUs have one problem. It's not power or design. They still working out software and drivers. They are years behind Nvidia and AMD. Intel knows this and it's why they are selling on a price that speaks to fairness. I really want them to get there. I may even consider them when my 4070 starts to fall behind.
  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited December 2024
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    Arc GPUs have one problem. It's not power or design. They still working out software and drivers. They are years behind Nvidia and AMD. Intel knows this and it's why they are selling on a price that speaks to fairness. I really want them to get there. I may even consider them when my 4070 starts to fall behind.

    Sure, but they've improved a ton with battlemage, that's what the reviews show. They work well with most games now. Sure, nvidia is definitely ahead in the driver department, but nvidia is ahead of AMD too when it comes to drivers. Intel Arc might not be fully mature until the next Celestial series releases, but they've specifically fixed performance for UE5 games with Battlemage.

    The problem with the Alchemist series is the execute indirect bottleneck in UE5, which affects things like nanite. Battlemage doesn't have that issue anymore due to hardware changes and native support.
  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited December 2024
    I like you gusto. I don't think that video says what you think it does :) improved with it quirks in kinks not worked out is what I heard. When it does work it does a good job and in areas even does well. But your taking a crap shoot that the game you have been waiting 7 years to play will not be one with kinks. I would go with what will work. Ashes will most likely put most effort into what covers the most players. In time that will change. I have been burned in the past being an early adopter. I now go with reliable first and formost.
  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited December 2024
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    I like you gusto. I don't think that video says what you think it does :) improved with it quirks in kinks not worked out is what I heard. When it does work it does a good job and in areas even does well. But your taking a crap shoot that the game you have been waiting 7 years to play will not be one with kinks. I would go with what will work. Ashes will most likely put most effort into what covers the most players. In time that will change. I have been burned in the past being an early adopter. I now go with reliable first and formost.

    I think you misunderstand my point then. Or I am being very unclear. I am not saying go buy B580 for Ashes. I am asking if the devs are going to look into the intel GPUs now that the worst issues with UE5 are fixed. People will be buying them based on those reviews now, and some of them are probably A2 players. Perhaps "optimize" wasn't the best word I could have used though. "Playable" or "non-crashing" is more what I was going for :smile:
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Nerror wrote: »
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    I like you gusto. I don't think that video says what you think it does :) improved with it quirks in kinks not worked out is what I heard. When it does work it does a good job and in areas even does well. But your taking a crap shoot that the game you have been waiting 7 years to play will not be one with kinks. I would go with what will work. Ashes will most likely put most effort into what covers the most players. In time that will change. I have been burned in the past being an early adopter. I now go with reliable first and formost.

    I think you misunderstand my point then. Or I am being very unclear. I am not saying go buy B580 for Ashes. I am asking if the devs are going to look into the intel GPUs now that the worst issues with UE5 are fixed. People will be buying them based on those reviews now, and some of them are probably A2 players. Perhaps "optimize" wasn't the best word I could have used though. "Playable" or "non-crashing" is more what I was going for :smile:

    Indeed.

    Intel seem to be more reliant on game developers optimizing their game than NVidia or AMD are, and they are also absolutely not in any position to optimize their driver for a game that isn't even released.

    When Intrepid do get around to optimizing, them putting some work in to Arc would probably be a good thing.
  • PeegerPeeger Member, Alpha Two
    Buy a older gen amd or nvidia for less, and get more, at this point. Its going to be a while before you see intel hammer out drivers for any of their cards, and they will start with the largest player based games and single player games first. You can get a couple years out of a good card and get an intel after they iron out all the bugs, get the drivers right.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Peeger wrote: »
    Buy a older gen amd or nvidia for less, and get more, at this point. Its going to be a while before you see intel hammer out drivers for any of their cards, and they will start with the largest player based games and single player games first. You can get a couple years out of a good card and get an intel after they iron out all the bugs, get the drivers right.

    If someone was buying a computer today, this would be good advice.

    However, this thread isn't about purchasing advice, it is about asking Intrepid to support Arc in general as best they can - it isnt even about supporting abattlemage, but Arc as a whole. It will likely be Celestial or Druid as the current Intel GPU by the time Ashes is released.

    The main impetus for this thread (I assume) is that with how good Battlemage is for the asking price (NA, at least), there is more of an assumption that Arc will still be around when Ashes releases.
  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    The main impetus for this thread (I assume) is that with how good Battlemage is for the asking price (NA, at least), there is more of an assumption that Arc will still be around when Ashes releases.

    You assume correct :smile:

    The B580 is selling out apparently, and it's not because it's a paper launch.

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