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All the locked content already
I get the purpose behind kickstarter items and rewards. But this is a rather hefty amount of stuff that is going to be locked to just kickstarter backers. My husband and myself both were thinking on the lifetime sub to the game because we've been pretty hyped for it but after seeing that long list of items.. we're not really as keen on tossing that much money at this game to support that sort of mind set.
I'm all for a few tiers of pets or mounts or even outfits and what not.. Sure maybe some super special items for the really large backers. But this just seems like a bit much. I can't willingly just toss that much money at a game to try and get the cosmetics items (more so at what I have been shown, while I want to remain excited from what I know already I'm not that sold on the game to be up for tossing two lifetime subs worth of cash at it...).
The 250 mark is really a stretch to me, let alone the 500 mark that comes after the 250.. Maybe it's just me. I've never wanted to back a game in a kickstarter before and my husband is very much against EA games in most cases so when we were considering dropping more or less 1000$ for the pair of us on a game it was a huge deal.
As I said the amount of locked content that is already produced doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth for the future of this. Not to mention that the game will be P2P, while I have no issues with P2P games myself.. I am getting a bit tired of them trying to nickel and dime folks for cosmetics. Also before someone says it.. yes I know you do not have to buy collectibles or cosmetics.. but some people enjoy games for such things.
I do wish them good luck with the game but I cannot bring myself to support the kickstarter if this is their mindset of loading the game up on locked content.
I'm all for a few tiers of pets or mounts or even outfits and what not.. Sure maybe some super special items for the really large backers. But this just seems like a bit much. I can't willingly just toss that much money at a game to try and get the cosmetics items (more so at what I have been shown, while I want to remain excited from what I know already I'm not that sold on the game to be up for tossing two lifetime subs worth of cash at it...).
The 250 mark is really a stretch to me, let alone the 500 mark that comes after the 250.. Maybe it's just me. I've never wanted to back a game in a kickstarter before and my husband is very much against EA games in most cases so when we were considering dropping more or less 1000$ for the pair of us on a game it was a huge deal.
As I said the amount of locked content that is already produced doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth for the future of this. Not to mention that the game will be P2P, while I have no issues with P2P games myself.. I am getting a bit tired of them trying to nickel and dime folks for cosmetics. Also before someone says it.. yes I know you do not have to buy collectibles or cosmetics.. but some people enjoy games for such things.
I do wish them good luck with the game but I cannot bring myself to support the kickstarter if this is their mindset of loading the game up on locked content.
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I’m all for a few tiers of pets or mounts or even outfits and what not.. Sure maybe some super special items for the really large backers. But this just seems like a bit much. I can’t willingly just toss that much money at a game to try and get the cosmetics items (more so at what I have been shown, while I want to remain excited from what I know already I’m not that sold on the game to be up for tossing two lifetime subs worth of cash at it…).
The 250 mark is really a stretch to me, let alone the 500 mark that comes after the 250.. Maybe it’s just me. I’ve never wanted to back a game in a kickstarter before and my husband is very much against EA games in most cases so when we were considering dropping more or less 1000$ for the pair of us on a game it was a huge deal.
As I said the amount of locked content that is already produced doesn’t leave a good taste in my mouth for the future of this. Not to mention that the game will be P2P, while I have no issues with P2P games myself.. I am getting a bit tired of them trying to nickel and dime folks for cosmetics. Also before someone says it.. yes I know you do not have to buy collectibles or cosmetics.. but some people enjoy games for such things.
I do wish them good luck with the game but I cannot bring myself to support the kickstarter if this is their mindset of loading the game up on locked content.
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Trusting your instincts is a good thing, I doubt highly your trepidation will result in a change of the tiers. Im sure the game will be fun to play if you never participate in the kickstarter and just play it when it is released.
I’m all for a few tiers of pets or mounts or even outfits and what not.. Sure maybe some super special items for the really large backers. But this just seems like a bit much. I can’t willingly just toss that much money at a game to try and get the cosmetics items (more so at what I have been shown, while I want to remain excited from what I know already I’m not that sold on the game to be up for tossing two lifetime subs worth of cash at it…).
The 250 mark is really a stretch to me, let alone the 500 mark that comes after the 250.. Maybe it’s just me. I’ve never wanted to back a game in a kickstarter before and my husband is very much against EA games in most cases so when we were considering dropping more or less 1000$ for the pair of us on a game it was a huge deal.
As I said the amount of locked content that is already produced doesn’t leave a good taste in my mouth for the future of this. Not to mention that the game will be P2P, while I have no issues with P2P games myself.. I am getting a bit tired of them trying to nickel and dime folks for cosmetics. Also before someone says it.. yes I know you do not have to buy collectibles or cosmetics.. but some people enjoy games for such things.
I do wish them good luck with the game but I cannot bring myself to support the kickstarter if this is their mindset of loading the game up on locked content.
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You will likely be able to buy a large amount if not nearly all the cosmetics in the game with in game gold as some point. I do not see the developers making Bind on account things in the game our side of maybe titles and some of the kickstarter items.
I mean, they have to offer people something to invest in a kickstarter.
There cosmetics that award kick starter backers.
They need to offer something.
I went in for 125 as i agree 400 is a little steep. i would love to be in alpha access 1 to support the game development and bug test.
But that said without offering something game breaking a few mounts and such just for kick starter backers is a nice incentive. a year or 2 into the game will be nice to look around and see which players have been around from day 1( kick starter day 1 ) based on a mount.
If that puts you off backing for one of the lower tiers even. think there are bigger issues with the game for you.
I have nothing against backing the lower tiers. I'm more of put off as you say by the number of cosmetics that are locked behind a rather hefty donation price. Sure the higher tier you go for the more stuff you get but over all you are still not getting that great of a deal for how much you are putting forth in hopes the game is made and released. That is my main concern. I've seen too many games that I've been excited for and even helped beta and bug test... only to have them take the money and run when it came right down to it or they release some mid-par game that was nothing like the promised product.
Edit: Like Haunted said.. I would 100% be more at ease if the items were at least offered by themselves somewhere after the kickstarter. As I mentioned even if it was a limited time it would give people a chance to wait and try the game before putting forth any serious amount of cash into it. (cosmetics not the special custom items. If someone has that kind of cash to toss towards the game by all means they deserve a custom house haha). As much as I would like to say I have spare money to toss around.. I don't have so much of it on hand to toss around without knowing more of what I'm actually getting..
And i'm saying that as someone who only pledged the 125 i don't think i should get the 400 pledge rewards at any point in time.
That's the reward of backing them and putting your trust in the developers.
There's always an inherent risk of not getting what you payed for with the game itself obviously but that's the gamble of early access.
And i’m saying that as someone who only pledged the 125 i don’t think i should get the 400 pledge rewards at any point in time.
That’s the reward of backing them and putting your trust in the developers.
There’s always an inherent risk of not getting what you payed for with the game itself obviously but that’s the gamble of early access.
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Completely agree here. The point of KickStarter packages is to get a something others dont as long as it doesnt affect the balance of the gameplay. The mounts arent faster (that we know of for the ones shown), the costumes and titles dont grant a bonus, the cosmetics are in essence a costume. Nothing here changes a PVE/PVP fight.
I mean, they have to offer people something to invest in a kickstarter.
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How dare you post that which I was going to post. I demand satisfaction, sir! Dawn, weapon of your choice, to the death, be there.
You can say what you want about WoW, but it had the best system. You could get everything the game had to offer (except a few mounts that were mostly introduced as a fundraiser). That felt good, Guess that time is over.
i'll skip the pre-order and Kickstarter this time. to many time being disappointing. And the absurd cash wall of a kick starter don't give me good memories.
That's fine, if you dislike the Kickstarter system it might be best for you not to invest early on. However be aware that others are going to invest and that money will be used to make the gaming experience better for you in the future. So all is not lost.
I don't care if others invest, it is their money and time. But developers don't know what people like or dislike unless it is voiced. Even if it's just a handful of people displeased by it.. maybe it is something they want to take into note for the future. That was more of the point of this. Making my thoughts on content like this now rather than after the games been released.
I don't really understand people with the whole exclusive items... if it was a item that you could trade down the road sure it can hold value but most items from CE's Kickstarters and the like are account bound. They are purely .. hey I was active or paid money during this time. I have a ton of CE's or EA cosmetics over various game and personally if the company wants to re-release the items to make some cash or support a fundraiser or something ... go for it. It's a digital item. In the long run of things it hold no real value when the servers go down.
Might just be my mindset on things like this. Who knows. I jusst want to remain excited for this game and hope they do not go the route of P2P cashshop heavy..
If you cant beat em join em and all that,
I've been playing mmos since the mid 90's
And have to say yeh things generally seemed better when if you got into alpha/beta it was primarily just because you where an active follower or a game and wanted to help development.
sadly most people backing for alpha just want to get playing and is primarily about impatience.
That said for those of us willing to bug test and submit reports be damned if i don't want my own shiny exclusive horse mount. I will have earned it.
SO to be a little different you have to get your wallet. That is still content behind a pay wall. a lot of pl like collecting things, and looking cool. But if you have to pay for a monthly subscription + all the mounts, pets, cosmetics, etc. the game will be extremely costly. Check Lazy Peon on BDO. he spend a LOT of money.
Pay for convenience, A LOT of convenience is still game braking for my. So i will wait until the game is there. And if it has a crazy cash shop and boring in game cosmetics, mount, pets. i will have to think twice before sinking a lot of time in it.
Is the list pretty sizeable? Sure, unless you consider other Fashion-Wars style MMOs (GW2 comes to mind) and the list will comprise a handful of options out of over 200. It'll be really cool to have at the launch of the game - by the time it has been out for a year, exclusive items for in-game accomplishments will overshadow them all.
The only items listed as Kickstarter Exclusive:
White Runic Steed ($50 tier)
Obsidian Stallion ($100 tier)
Falcon Pet ($100 tier)
Character Pioneer's cloak ($100 tier)
Freehold appearance bundle Tier 1 ($100 tier)
Spectral Mare Mount ($150 tier)
Pseudo Dragon Pet ($150 tier)
Freehold appearance bundle Tier 2 ($150 tier)
Character Founder's Costume ($150 tier)
Moonstrider Mule ($250 tier)
Phoenix Pet ($250 tier)
Freehold appearance bundle Tier 3 ($250 tier)
Character Merchant Costume ($250 tier)
Lifetime subscription ($500 tier)
Dawnbreaker Epic Mount ($500 tier)
Character Royalty Costume ($500 tier)
Demonic / Angelic Character racial skin ($1000)
Guildhall appearance ($1000)
Receive Guild themed character cloaks and mount barding - 10 of each! ($1000)
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I think you really hit the nail on the head with that statement. People are taking almost nothing else into consideration other than the KS cosmetics being exclusive, no one is thinking of the sword of awesome skin that will be locked behind a skill-wall. Who cares if someone payed 5000$ for a big fake ingame mansion that other players don't even get to see? It's a game, I intend to play it, not sit around looking at other people's cosmetic items.
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Pay for convenience, A LOT of convenience is still game braking for my.
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Where did you see them talking about adding convenience items to the cash shop? So far I've only seen mention of cosmetic items. Note - I consider pets / mounts cosmetic unless they actually do something in game other than look pretty.
As far as what was said above.. the huge cash shop is my main concern. If I could 100% know they are not going to throw all the cosmetics and collectibles in a cash shop.. I would very much consider a few 100 in backing them. But they can't promise this. I mean they can but I take most promises through games with a grain of salt.
Also because it was mentioned.. yes you are correct in a years time or less the items from this KS won;t really be mentioned at all. Sure you'll have someone go on about this or that being the best pet/mount in game but there (i would hope by that time) be others to get in game. As I said before this is more of a discussion or feedback sort of thread. I wanted to put my thought out there on stuff like this in hopes that the game won't turn into another ESO where a handful of things are collectible in game and the rest is locked behind monthly, weekly, 2-3 day sales or RNG boxes. ^^;
The game makers stuffing anything and everything vanity oriented in the cash shop to nickle and dime everyone with 'exclusives'.
Cash shop only.
And when a bloated cash shop full of 'optional' exclusives doesnt provide enough to cover the insufficient sub......what then ?
ESO started sub only and promised they would never go free to play because the sub model was best.
Now its a cash shop paradise full of gamble boxes....with eternal grinds with 0% RNG to force you to pay.
But ....you can sub too :D
Perhaps I am being harsh and unfair ? I supported them. But trust is earnt.
Hope for the best expect the worst is the way I am.
The industry has destroyed all the trust and their is little left to go around.
I must say. Early access is pay to progress and an advantage. Its pay to win.
If the teams idea of pay2win can be 'open to interpretation' in this way....then where do you draw the line ?
They have already left a blot on the landscape with this.
My spider senses are already tingling.
Currently dragons are the only mounts intended to have true flight. Other mounts with wings will be able to hover close to the ground. Various mounts will have different movement speeds.
Source: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/first-look-at-flying-mount/
It is unclear if the hovering mounts will be automatically faster.
I wonder if the mount will be able to hover across small chasms such as an area that you cannot jump across normally.
I would bet that any current movement speeds or mechanics of mounts currently in or intended to be in will be altered before the release.
I'm a little sad that my hype is slowly dying and the races snippet they released didn't real me in enough lore wise to make me want to keep reading. I can look past a lot of things if the lore and quests are entertaining. But if I'm going to grind to max level only to have nothing left by raid content (personally not something im interested in..) what then? If I'm subbed to the game I wouldn't stay subbed for very long and odds are not in favor of a return after that.
Heck the lifetime sub isn't something a trust either (more so with that price tag.. ouch). What if a month or two down the road they are free to play or buy to play? Sure you supported and backed the game with the 400.. but I still don't feel you got your money worth from it.
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I think you really hit the nail on the head with that statement. People are taking almost nothing else into consideration other than the KS cosmetics being exclusive, no one is thinking of the sword of awesome skin that will be locked behind a skill-wall. Who cares if someone payed 5000$ for a big fake ingame mansion that other players don’t even get to see? It’s a game, I intend to play it, not sit around looking at other people’s cosmetic items.
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Thats why when i looked at the KS packages, i think the $40 package is the only worth. Game Time and which alpha/beta access i get.