Would rather wait 5 years for all the features to be in the game, than two year

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Would rather wait 5 years for all the features to be in the game, than two years for an unpolished game.

This game's stated goals in the Q&A's and what they have on the web site is hitting all the marks for me in an MMORPG. I am also an older guy that has seen many games simply not live up to their hype. Now..<strong>. I am not talking about opening day server stability</strong>, that is almost always an issue even for AAA dev's like Blizz.

I want the game to be finished, and polished, fun, and live up to the goals it has stated for it's self.

Also, I am a WoW/Blizard fan and I have come to expect games to be finished and polished when they are released. People can hate on WoW and Blizzard, but I think we all have to agree, when they deliver a tidal it is typically a finished product.


Anyway, I know everyone wants this game yesterday, I do too... but dear Devs, please go for quality over meeting timed goals in development.


"Ready when it is ready"

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Realistically as a sub based game with no box price they'll need to generate money as soon as they can though, as without a box price they won't be getting a lump sum from sales like Blizzard would, for example.

I definitely think the core needs to be there and fairly polished to keep those sub numbers, the main thing that will keep the game alive, and they will need some pretty decent consistency to keep the numbers active.

I think this will work on both favors though. Having this model will keep players who really want to play supporting and funding the game. On the other hand will light a Dev fire to keep content constantly improving as if their sub numbers dwindle so will their game as a whole.

Scary though, but if it works, I think it'll work really well.

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Like all other game they'll have packages for sale before launch and after launch at different price points with cosmetic items . There the cash shop and we all know how much people love costumes and pets...

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Referencing wow as a "finished" game upon release kinda invalidates the statement. It was far from finished when it was released.

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I agree being there from beta to release of WoW was far from done or perfect. Launch was bad queue and disconnect happen just like every other MMO launch I ever been apart of. OP must have not been there for launch to make this statement "Also, I am a WoW/Blizard fan and I have come to expect games to be finished and polished when they are released."

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Right. Since then sure Blizzard has been relatively stellar with expansion releases on WoW, but it could be a combination of slightly declining player base and just so much experience and redundancy that we don't even notice the majority of the problems anymore.

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Whenever it's ready.
But start the Alpha by Dec 2018.

Finished doesn't really mean much these days.
Playable is what we get.

ArchivedUser

I personally would love to have all these features at launch and the game to be 100% 'finished' and 'polished'. However I will also admit that my excitement for this game is pretty high and would love to be playing it tomorrow. That being said I know what I signed up for time-wise for release and just really hope Intrepid can deliver the game somewhere 1.5-2 years from now. Much shorter than that and you are compromising quality and people will leave the game almost immediately after launch because it is a crappy game full of bugs. Much longer than 1.5-2 years and the hype dies down, people find other things to occupy their time, etc.

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Release the game in 2 years and add sea based stuff in later down the line as an expansion.

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<blockquote><div class="d4p-bbp-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/would-rather-wait-5-years-for-all-the-features-to-be-in-the-game-than-two-year/#post-21579">LedgeTheOrc wrote:</a></div>Realistically as a sub based game with no box price

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Hmm, not sure if this is true.

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[quote quote=21579]Realistically as a sub based game with no box price

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Did they said that there wont be a box price? I doubt so. People likes to buy diferent box editions <3

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<div class="d4p-bbt-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/would-rather-wait-5-years-for-all-the-features-to-be-in-the-game-than-two-year/#post-21579" rel="nofollow">LedgeTheOrc wrote:</a></div>
Realistically as a sub based game with no box price

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Did they said that there wont be a box price? I doubt so. People likes to buy diferent box editions <3

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well, in the kickstarter they have free months and alpha access. but it never said in any of those if we get the game. so assumption is no box price? I hope? it would suck if we spent hundreds to have to buy the game also :P

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[quote quote=21638]Did they said that there wont be a box price? I doubt so. People likes to buy diferent box editions <3[/quote]

Yes, there is no box. Subscribe. Download. Enjoy.

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[quote quote=21595]I agree being there from beta to release of WoW was far from done or perfect. Launch was bad queue and disconnect happen just like every other MMO launch I ever been apart of. OP must have not been there for launch to make this statement “Also, I am a WoW/Blizard fan and I have come to expect games to be finished and polished when they are released.”

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https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/alterac-mountains/mocco

Look at my pets, you don't get collector edition pets unless you owned the CE.


Also, I did day launch stbality issues are the norm... I was talking about the gameplay of WoW at launch. Compared to it's competition at the time (EQ 2) it was head and shoulders better.

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No! 2years max and just add other stuff after! if it takes longer the hype dies and people are moving on to other games... the game will launch before 2020 and shld stay that way!

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I think core game before 2020 with expansions later (which I think they've already mentioned are planned) is good. They are also trying to make a statement in the MMO industry that's essentially saying what they're trying to do is possible but the other companies are just not doing it. If they delay the launch too much, it will become yeah, it's possible but really takes a longer time than what other companies are probably willing to spend on a project.

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I'd honestly have most of the strech goals come after. The base game they explained already seem very packed with features and stuff to explore and do. I rather have them focus on that to make it as good as possible, and then have the other things as 3 months expansions. That way we have things to look forward too, and still time to experience the core game.

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yeah I agree having expansions patchs 3-6 months would help introduce the extra content when they have the core game ready to launch on expected date. Though 2020 is kinda stretching the release to long. Q4 2018 or Early 2019 would be ideal since were already 5 months into 2017. So lets say October 2018 they have Open Beta or pre launch and work on that and release the core game with all the kickstarter stuff available January 2019 official launch .The anticipation and hype would still be there 20 months from now...3years idk.

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The stretch goals are expansions.
The 'core' game will be finished and polished before they go full out on the expansions.
Any expansions they get completed before release will be a bonus.
BUT don't expect all or any of those expansions to be ready for release.

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I don't believe it takes 5 years to make MMO games these days with the current technology. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I personally would not want to wait 5 years considering the shelf life of games. If they can get this game out the door in two years with acceptable game play I would be happy, even if there were some missing features that need to be added through future updates.

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[quote quote=22188]I don’t believe it takes 5 years to make MMO games these days with the current technology. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

I personally would not want to wait 5 years considering the shelf life of games. If they can get this game out the door in two years with acceptable game play I would be happy, even if there were some missing features that need to be added through future updates.

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Agree. If they were starting from scratch I could see 5 years, but they are not starting from a bare concept and a few mockups. Still it will likely be closer to the vicinity of 3 years than 2.

Developer's rarely start from scratch anymore. Modern game engines put the development timeline years ahead. I've tested in alpha phases where the client was nothing more than character creation screens, paper dolls, and flat terrainless environments. The terms Alpha and Beta have no relation to what they meant a decade ago.

I doubt retail release will be before 2020 unless they already have huge amounts of environments created and don't run into 'any' issues scaling up from a handful of players to thousands of concurrent players. Netcode, database, and client/server sync issues have put many a development on hold.

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I've said before, i'd really like them to make a check list of all the things they want in the game when it realeases (and maybe even at each phase of the game), and then update us with how they are are progressing toward these goals. So, when they have to push the release day back however long it will be very clear to all of us why.

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Correct. They stated in one of the QA sessions that the game is sub only and will not have a box price.

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[quote quote=21595]I agree being there from beta to release of WoW was far from done or perfect. Launch was bad queue and disconnect happen just like every other MMO launch I ever been apart of. OP must have not been there for launch to make this statement “Also, I am a WoW/Blizard fan and I have come to expect games to be finished and polished when they are released.”

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https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/alterac-mountains/mocco

Look at my pets, I have the CE edition mini diablo, Panda, and Zergling. You can't get them with out buying the Colectors Edition. I played in the open beta, and was there on launch day. We had to move servers because our 1st choice had like a 3 hour queue.

Like i said in my OP, I am not talking about server stability, I am talking about the quality of the game.

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mmorpgs dependent on servers more then environments right? so instead of focusing on things like motion blur and sunlight/shadows trees and grass swaying gently in the breeze. Focus on getting a server up throw tons of players in it test ur engine with real players in it. Test the limits of the server/engine and not fancy looks. Plz

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I'm curious here; what I've been reading seems to be different from what you guys are speaking of. For instance, what I've read of the KS goals is that these things have already been planned, just not put into development until they had the funding to cover it. As I understand it, their release date is aiming toward December 2018, with all the functionality we've unlocked throughout the KS. Can someone tell me where my information is incorrect, or is all the above just theory and speculation on the part of players?

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Alpha begins Dec 2018.
The KS features are stretch goals which will probably be implemented after launch. It just means they definitely will be able to work on them. Some of the initial work is probably best started now, even if the the complete feature won't be ready by launch.

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[quote quote=22786]I’m curious here; what I’ve been reading seems to be different from what you guys are speaking of. For instance, what I’ve read of the KS goals is that these things have already been planned, just not put into development until they had the funding to cover it. As I understand it, their release date is aiming toward December 2018, with all the functionality we’ve unlocked throughout the KS. Can someone tell me where my information is incorrect, or is all the above just theory and speculation on the part of players?

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I believe the kick starter goals would all be stuff added after release, aka patch/expansion content.

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<div class="d4p-bbt-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/would-rather-wait-5-years-for-all-the-features-to-be-in-the-game-than-two-year/page/2/#post-22786" rel="nofollow">Isende wrote:</a></div>
I’m curious here; what I’ve been reading seems to be different from what you guys are speaking of. For instance, what I’ve read of the KS goals is that these things have already been planned, just not put into development until they had the funding to cover it. As I understand it, their release date is aiming toward December 2018, with all the functionality we’ve unlocked throughout the KS. Can someone tell me where my information is incorrect, or is all the above just theory and speculation on the part of players?

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I believe the kick starter goals would all be stuff added after release, aka patch/expansion content.

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This is Intrepid's take on that
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1791529601/ashes-of-creation-new-mmorpg-by-intrepid-studios/posts/1880241

<blockquote>All backer goals that get unlocked are given to all backers of the project, and we want to make sure you guys are aware that none of the goals on our stretch goals will result in scope creep. We have carefully planned out all of the work necessary to achieve these goals. Which is why they are at the values they are at. <span style='color:#FFFF00;'><strong>We will not delay the release of the game in any way because of these goals!</strong></span>

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From the Kickstarter Updates page

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1791529601/ashes-of-creation-new-mmorpg-by-intrepid-studios/posts/1880241

<blockquote>All backer goals that get unlocked are given to all backers of the project, and we want to make sure you guys are aware that none of the goals on our stretch goals will result in scope creep. We have carefully planned out all of the work necessary to achieve these goals. Which is why they are at the values they are at. <strong>We will not delay the release of the game in any way because of these goals!</strong></blockquote>

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I also think that if the game launches without all these features it gives us something to look forward to and a target for the devs to work towards. I know when I played SWTOR in the early days we waited a long damn time for something other than what the game launched with. They have done a good job since then but I also know that when the second 'live' event (on Nar Shaddaa I think) went live almost my entire guild of over 150 people left the game. There was simply nothing new and we felt these live events were easy ways to mask that.