Single player content (that is soloable)

Marzzo1337Marzzo1337 Member ✭✭
Today many MMOs are very group focused and this is great! Raids and high rated team based pvp are usually the end game content for most games. Still, something that should not be disgarded is single player content that is designed to be done solo. 
     Down below are some ideas that could help improve the solo experience of the game and give players something to work on while some of their friends, in the end, will go to sleep.

A soloable special questline or campaign
There should be some form of quest line that may start at low lvl, and follow you all the way to max lvl and then end a bit later with an epic 1v1 boss fight that will test your characters ability and skill. This boss should be unique for each class to tailor it for each one and thus making it a fair fight for everyone. This quest should also not require the highest end gear and should mostly focus on player skill (Postioning, kiting, interupting boss abilities, timing and tacts). Lastly, this questline should also give interesting lore to your class, all missions in this questline should naturally not only be killing missions. A reward for this could be a rare item, an estetic reward or maybe a new place to have your home in.

A role trial: Since this game will follow the trinity of tank, healer and dps (maybe support aswell?) there could be a trial for each role to complete. This trial could work as a role tutorial and start with easy challanges and ending with advanced ones (Automaticly teaching players how to play their role in a more advanced and efficient way. This could be done inside a place dedicated to each class, and these places should be spreadout around the world (Rogues in a shady place, clerics in a holy place).

A Fighter guild: This idea is greatly inspired by the world of warcraft feature "Brawlers guild" Which consist of a special location where people are standing in line to enter an arena to fight a boss one on one. This is done while the people standing in line are watching. People do this because the boss fights are fun, creative and sometimes challangeing.
     This is something I would love to see here. A great problem with the wow version is that the queue times take for ever, to solve this, multiple arenas in the same place would help (wow has 1, queue time is about 10 min, so 3 arenas should be enough).

Non combat, storydriven missions
There could be some form of questlines which involves exploring, tresure hunting or solving a mystery other than murdering 5 horses for their hoves. These quests could be weekly, as in one new is released every week or there could be a set amount of them. These quests should take time and give people something to do when they dont want to murder 50 rabbits for their furs or work on proffesions.

Daily exploration missions (or something that makes you walk to places you don't normaly would)
There should be some optional missions, that rewards a decent amout of currency (since people wont do them othervise). These missions involve going back to places your character would not normaly be, like a distant node that you have no conncetion to or a low lvl zone. This would actually give people a reason to keep running around in the world even after the endgame nodes are set. This will help make the world feel alive.

What do you think should be avaible as solo content? Do you think it is needed?



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  • DygzDygz Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    That would basically have to be an instanced solo dungeon.
    And that can be driven by tasks generated from the Thieves Guild or Scholars Academy or whatever.

    All gear will be the same. There won't be separate PvP gear. There won't be separate solo gear.
    So... Legendary solo gear doesn't make a lot of sense in terms of stats.

    Actually, though, Legendary Solo skins might be fun. Similar to what we get for participating in monster coin events.
    Although, I expect solo players will also be participating in monster coin events.
    But, maybe, soloers will have more pride in displaying their Legendary Solo Skins.
  • DygzDygz Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    I cleave the ring in two. And take half.
  • HoodyHoody Member ✭✭
    I think making specific solo content is a bad idea.. MMO's are not single player games.. Im not saying i dont think they will have solo activities, but i feel like the game should be very difficult for a solo player, even when just simply exploring or questing i feel like it should be pretty rough and very penalizing when you die. Encouraging groups to form is what mmos are all about, so if the game is truly difficult there will be no need for solo content.. all you have to do is see how far you can make it alone.  
  • HoodyHoody Member ✭✭
    MMO's are about playing with other people.
  • GrisuGrisu Member ✭✭✭
    Maybe not legendary gear itself, but who knows, some special ressources you can only aquire on rare occasions alone. It's not hard to come up with reasons why it can only be done alone.
    On that aspect I hope to see some very hidden quests that you might even want to keep to yourself for a while. Like they said, They have a lot of stuff to find out for "the first to be" and others to follow in those footsteps.
    Roletrial is already a thing isn't it? A pvp one mind you. They are doing an olympiad system were you can face off against other players of the same class, it's a lot more dynamic and really teaches you to react to a lot more situations and uses of your abilities.
    I find more than that rather unnecessery.
    I assume this Brawler thing is like the GW2 crownhall arena, sounds the same and I have to say, na. Some classes will always have an advantage in there, something will always be easier or not doable at all if it'S supposed to be challenging.
    I disagree with having explorationquests. Exploration should be your own drive, you shouldn't be guided into an unexplored area to find hidden stuff. It should be your own will to go out and find all those secrets. Once you find something, there can be as many quests as you can stomache to further the exploration you started.
    You came across a ruin in some half collapsed tunnel and a relic is behind some strange door you can't open, "popup" 'better go deeper and look what you can find out about it'.
    Half the fun of finding the jumpin puzzles in GW2 was actually finding a jumping puzzle.
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  • JulemandenJulemanden Member ✭✭✭
    A few months ago someone (i think @Rune_Relic) Made a thread about "What do you wanna see in the game, exploration vice" or something along those lines. A few ideas where brought up, ways to make content thats both soloable or groupish. Like finding a key that just says "old stone key", it will fit somewhere, but where? You can either chose to try and find out yourself, or you can ask a lot of player to look for keyholes. That could be one way that might bring content for both groups.

    Grisu said:
    I disagree with having explorationquests. Exploration should be your own drive, you shouldn't be guided into an unexplored area to find hidden stuff. It should be your own will to go out and find all those secrets. Once you find something, there can be as many quests as you can stomache to further the exploration you started.
    Well by exploration quests it might not be finding hidden stuff, it could just be a small errand quest that coincedently leads you by a nice scenic view ;) Just show of the beautiful world without giving its secrets away.
  • exhumanexhuman Member
    edited June 1
    i strongly disagree

    most new mmos if not all are meant o reach level cap alone if you want. Remember games like lineage 2 that are 100% group based

    black desert... you can solo most game, elder scrolls online you can level up solo and almost every other game i have played. 

    By that you end up not knowning anyone in your server, there is no social aspect if an mmorpg meant to let you lvl up solo

    if someone wants solo then mmorpg is not for him. A good mmorpg must not just encourage players to play together, it must force them. Bosses, dungeons, grind. everything must require party. if you want solo then you probably dont go far...

    at least that is my oppinion 
  • JulemandenJulemanden Member ✭✭✭
    @exhuman ;
    You just have to remember that those where other times, the general population of games can only use so  much time on them. So it will be hard to do group levelling compared to solo levelling. Either you need your friends to be there or you have to spend time queing up etc.

    An easier way to balance it out would probably be adding some proximity exp bonus for groups (like BDO?). That way if you go as a group you get an advantage, but it is also possible to go alone.
  • NevermuseNevermuse Member ✭✭✭
    I liked what SWTOR was trying to do in regards to the balance between groups and solo stuff. There was a "class" storyline of sorts. Later game stuff brought some higher quality (but not OMG epic) gear your way but allowed you to go through solo if you chose.
  • Rune_RelicRune_Relic Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 1
    Joke. How many MMO players does it take to change a light bulb ?

    MMOs are about community endeavour with a common cause or purpose.
    Who is to say a 1 man group is any better then a 4 man mutiplayer group.
    Neither of them are the whole server, they are just a tiny fraction of it.
    Neither of them are the community, they are just a tiny fraction of it.

    Most modern MMOs are the themepark variety where you have mnay small groups doing there own thing. That not a community. Thats lots of small groups. More often than not those groups compete with each other rather than cooperate.
    Players working against each other isnt a community, thats adversarial.

    Thats before we even get into the fact that other members are rarely able to do the content you want if they have the time. So 9/10 times you end up having to solo stuff anyway.

  • EragaleEragale Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 1
    @Nevermuse

    uhhh .... I wouldn't go there. Long-Story short, SWTOR is a tragedy - could've been a whole lot more. Specifically, it's mostly Solo-ing nearly everything.
  • NevermuseNevermuse Member ✭✭✭
    @Eragale Well note I said "trying" to do haha. They had a lot more group oriented activities early game. You really did have to 2+ person the hero quests and you did actually have to group up for the flashpoints etc. As a person who can get behind the solo aspect of a game when I'm not on a server with friends etc, I still do like it as a "very solo friendly" option for MMO games, though.
  • DygzDygz Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 1
    exhuman said:
    you can solo most game, elder scrolls online you can level up solo and almost every other game i have played. 

    By that you end up not knowning anyone in your server, there is no social aspect if an mmorpg meant to let you lvl up solo

    if someone wants solo then mmorpg is not for him. A good mmorpg must not just encourage players to play together, it must force them. Bosses, dungeons, grind. everything must require party. if you want solo then you probably dont go far...

    at least that is my oppinion 
    Hardcore Killer/Achievers tend to believe that the only reason to socialize is when you are forced to socialize. Their primary goal is to kill stuff as efficiently as possible. If they can kill stuff solo, that's all they will do. Kill everything they can as quickly as possible and ignore the social opportunities in the game.
    Such people socialize while they're forced to camp or wait for a raid to form. Casual Explorer/Socializers will socialize even when not in a group because they like to socialize.
    That doesn't mean they want to be stuck in a group. Especially if that group is just going to be camping in one spot for 30+ minutes.
    Explorers are going to want to explore; not camp.

    There are all kinds of opportunities to socialize in games that have houses too decorate and outfits for costume parties and pet collections to show off. You know... roleplaying instead of killing everything in sight. We don't need bosses and dungeons and grind to encourage players to socialize.
    In Ashes, we will be playing together because we have to do so in order to build the cities. And we will play together as we defend our cities from attacks - even if we aren't in a "group" when we do so.

    Bosses and dungeons and grind is not going to get hardcore Killer/Achievers to group with casual Explorer/Socializers. In dungeons, the casual Explorers want to take the time to explore every nook and cranny and don't care about killing stuff while the hardcore Killer/Achievers want to quickly kill everything in the dungeon and move on to the next challenge (or repeat the same challenge so someone else in the party can get an epic drop).
    Instanced solo dungeons can be designed to feed back into the overall narrative when our individual actions actually dynamically change the world, rather than everything being static. Just as we saw in the Art of War video, where the Predator stealths in to retrieve that artifact powering the shields around the city, thereby allowing the raid outside the city gates to launch their catapults.

    Having a couple of solo instanced dungeon isn't going to allow soloers to not depend on other players. Soloers can't build a city by themselves. Nor can they build a Thieves Guild or a Trading Company by themselves. They can't defend their city by themselves.
    Again... Solo doesn't mean that the player never socializes or plays with other players. It means not grouping while adventuring.
    And that's not the same thing as being able to do everything solo.

    Ashes should have content for duos and trios - where it takes multiple Rogues to disarm a trap or multiple mages to open an arcane lock or multiple Clerics to end a plague. In addition to objectives players can solo.

    It's very easy to solo and still know people on your server. That's what social media is for. Twitch, twitter, discord... you can socialize with a lot of people on the server and not be anywhere near them. Having friends on the server is incentive enough to play with them from time to time.
    That play time might be visiting their freeholds for parties rather than grouping to kill bosses - casual roleplay rather than hardcore gameplay - but that's still socializing. In a way that is imposible to do in single -player games.

    Which is why soloers play MMORPGs rather than single-player games.
  • PkfyrePkfyre Member
    Nah, not a fan of solo content.  This isn't a Massively Solo Online Role Playing Game.
  • PotensPotens Member
    That would be cool and very satisfying to earn.
  • HoodyHoody Member ✭✭
    edited June 1
    most of these people on this thread don't know what they truly want. they just want to have fun, and things to be easy, and look like a  pretty princess while doing it..  We want to strongly encourage community in this game.. not simple minded fools who think single player nonsense has a place in an MMO. I laugh at you're foolish stance on what mmo's are and how they function.  Enjoy being alone in a massive multiplayer game. ( may seem harsh, but mehhh, love me or hate me there is no middle ground.)
  • HoodyHoody Member ✭✭
    edited June 1
    Agree to disagree.  Im not trying to change anyones play style. playing solo is an option. I however feel like the game should be very, very, difficult and discourage ANY players from being solo. Thus driving the community to actually be a community.. easily the best part of MMO's is making friends and overcoming the obstacles together. Whats the point of having the holy trinity if we all just want to play solo? Shouldn't we all just play wizards or warriors so we can solo the content and be so fulfilled with the glory of beating a single player game?  Or should we have a group working together utilizing each others skills so they can defeat whatever challenge they face?

     I dunnno Hoody that sounds crazy id much rather play a single player rpg. Hoody your dumb you make no sense.. go away.
  • WelphgrynWelphgryn Member ✭✭✭✭
    Hoody said:
    Im not trying to change anyones play style. playing solo is an option.

    Or should we have a group working together utilizing each others skills so they can defeat whatever challenge they face?

    Your first sentence and last sentence contradict each other.

    I know many people that play solo. Some people don't have the capability of reading chat, typing, and playing at the same time -- my mother is one of them. She loves MMO's, but she never interacts with other people because she types so slow. So she just does solo content, or runs quests with me if I'm on.

    I also know people that choose to do solo content because they are so busy in life, that they can't commit to being online at certain times in order to run group content. Planning is impossible with their schedules.

    Should solo content players be rewarded equally as those who are able to group up? No. I believe group activity should be rewarded at a higher level.

    Is it okay to play solo and not want to interact with other players?
    Absolutely. 
  • Marzzo1337Marzzo1337 Member ✭✭
    To clarify, by legendary missions I do not mean that they should award any gear or rare items. I mean legendary as in gameplay. Please do not use the argument "This is an mmo, you are not supposed to play alone"

    Seriously, in 1 year of gametime, do you think your guild and friends will always be online 24/7? People need singleplayer content, an mmo needs it, to fill up downtime.
  • HoodyHoody Member ✭✭
    You: "my mother is one of them. She loves MMO's, but she never interacts with other people"    

    Me: How is this not a contradiction?

    Me: Look man i want everyone to play the game and be happy, but i also want the game to be very difficult so its basically impossible for your mom to solo, I'm sure your mother is a perfectly able body and can learn to type... Or heaven forbid she has to socialize with other people on voice chat.. 

    You: "I also know people that choose to do solo content because they are so busy in life, that they can't commit to being online at certain times in order to run group content. Planning is impossible with their schedules."

    Me: So you want to compromise the integrity of the game because there are people who don't want a challenge?  You do know that's what most MMO's have done for the last 15 years.. and yet here we are looking for the next ground breaking MMO because they have all failed miserably.. As long as people keep bringing this same Casual versus Hardcore debate to the table,  the genre will go nowhere. We have enough fluff out in the MMO world, lets get back to the core roots of what made these games so good.  No fast travel, hefty EXP debt on death, meaningful world pvp, making personal groups,  not with a program that drops 5 random players in a dungeon together... make the loot very good and very hard to get.. get back to the days when cc mattered, and a tank had have good situational awareness.. I'm ranting lol.. 


    Disclaimer: I still want your mother to play and have fun, and i don't want it to be impossible for her to go do things alone, I just don't want the entire game catered to casual players.  Cheers everyone your all great I'm sure, lets be good to one another :wink:

  • HoodyHoody Member ✭✭
    To be more on topic, I've changed my stance on instanced solo dungeons, they are okay with me. but that's about it. I would say even give them loot, not the best of course but decent loot.  
  • WelphgrynWelphgryn Member ✭✭✭✭
    Dygz said:
    .

    Solo content doesn't mean there is no challenge. Rather it means there is casual challenge. How much depends on the playerbase.
    And these days, more of the MMORPG playerbase is some form of casual.
    Because the most of the gamers who had time to be hardcore challenge/ hardcore time 20 years ago, no longer have the time to commit to playing games that they did when they were kids and single - instead of parents and married with careers.

    Well put. 
  • WelphgrynWelphgryn Member ✭✭✭✭
    Hoody said:
     
    Me: Look man i want everyone to play the game and be happy, but i also want the game to be very difficult so its basically impossible for your mom to solo, I'm sure your mother is a perfectly able body and can learn to type... Or heaven forbid she has to socialize with other people on voice chat.. 



    Nope, she can't type. She's been playing MMO's since 1999, and she still uses 2 fingers to type. 

    Hoody said:
    You: "my mother is one of them. She loves MMO's, but she never interacts with other people"    

    Me: How is this not a contradiction?


    I don't see a contradiction in this statement. I could be wrong though?

    Hoody said:


    Me: So you want to compromise the integrity of the game because there are people who don't want a challenge?  You do know that's what most MMO's have done for the last 15 years.. and yet here we are looking for the next ground breaking MMO because they have all failed miserably.. As long as people keep bringing this same Casual versus Hardcore debate to the table,  the genre will go nowhere. We have enough fluff out in the MMO world, lets get back to the core roots of what made these games so good.  No fast travel, hefty EXP debt on death, meaningful world pvp, making personal groups,  not with a program that drops 5 random players in a dungeon together... make the loot very good and very hard to get.. get back to the days when cc mattered, and a tank had have good situational awareness.. I'm ranting lol.. 


    Yeah you are ranting. There's little room to argue with you. The foundation of your statements don't make sense to me. I don't know what you mean by "integrity of the game." I also don't understand how playing solo automatically means that people "don't want a challenge." If anything, playing solo is harder because monsters die quicker in groups, right?


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