Question for Entrepid.. How will you combat gold sellers.

ArchivedUser

I sure hope you have thought out a process for combating gold sellers...
As they have ruined several mmorpgs since 1999 where i started playing mmo's
Many people would say it aint of high importance, but a mmorpg is general played
through it's economics, nomatter how you displays it.
And goldsellers can sink the greatest ship.

ArchivedUser

And sorry for my bad grammer.

ArchivedUser

They discussed this in a few of their livestreams on twitch. They mentioned already having multiple measures in place to prepare against gold selling.

ArchivedUser

where there's a will there's a way. Gold selling companies will find it.

ArchivedUser

Like Melite said their will be no gold seller unless you want to be banned.

ArchivedUser

To be honest, it falls to the community as much as it does to Intrepid. Gold sellers will and have always found a way. I've not seen a game where gold sellers never showed up in the masses at one point or another. 

Simple, and sadly unlikely, but if no one is buying gold then they don't have the resources to continue running the bots

ArchivedUser

I'm hoping all the inner counters and traps for the filthy gold sellers work. We won't know til it goes live though so cross dem fingers.

ArchivedUser

Fingers crossed that the prevention system works as best as possible. As long as there is not chat spam like RO. Agreed that the community shouldn't be daft enough to buy game currency in the first place ^^

ArchivedUser

24:55 How will you guys prevent p2w via gold seller player to player trading?

Steven:
Outside of the standard mmo security mechanics that involve, algorithms and flagging accounts that have nonstandard action. We plan to have a very active gm community that will be proactive in preventing RMT, botting, spamming in chat, all that kind of stuff. It is something we haven't seen in most recent mmos for some reasons. I don't know why we moved away from active GMs, but that's something I feel very strongly about that GMs should be proactive in servers and stuff. Which means, yes, there will be a higher costs associated for customer service from that standpoint, but at the same time if you build up a subscription model game those are the types of things you can do.

I get it, new people, new forum, search function isn't yet really a working thing as far as I have tried, but it's still on the frontpage of the system and mechanics thread.

ArchivedUser

Having active GMs makes me pretty happy. That does depend on how large this game becomes upon release, however.

ArchivedUser

I'd like to see the players in game get a crack at the sellers.  Flag the characters with the bounty system and make them fully lootable on death, and flag their freeholds for attack, and fully lootable as well.  Same goes for those doing the buying.

ArchivedUser

dunbarth said:

I'd like to see the players in game get a crack at the sellers.  Flag the characters with the bounty system and make them fully lootable on death, and flag their freeholds for attack, and fully lootable as well.  Same goes for those doing the buying.

Gold selling is a multifaceted activity that involves many.  You have the farmers and gatherers then the sellers.  Sure you know them when you see them but it's hard to keep up.  Try to catch a seller.  They spam general chat then disappear as soon as you report them and another appears.  Active GMs as Steven has mentioned will do much to ward them off as long as the players do their part in reporting and discouraging them. 

ArchivedUser

As Authorize said:

To be honest, it falls to the community as much as it does to Intrepid. Gold sellers will and have always found a way. I've not seen a game where gold sellers never showed up in the masses at one point or another. 

Simple, and sadly unlikely, but if no one is buying gold then they don't have the resources to continue running the bots

I agree. The community plays an equal role with intrepid.

It's supply and demand. Gold sellers would not exist if there weren't people willing to use their service. As a community, we have to moderate ourselves and call out other players that partake in these gold seller services.

I'm glad intrepid is taking a stance on this and I hope they will create a system that would disenfranchise gold sellers without limiting player enjoyment.

ArchivedUser

There will always be gold sellers and gold selling and Intrepid won't be able to do anything about that. However, I thought ZoS did quite well to recover from the mass botting that prevalent at ESO's launch, so maybe limit the amount of character deletions per day like they did?

I've played many MMOs and never have I played one that successfully dealt with gold sellers. Where there's $$ to be made they'll always find a way.

ArchivedUser

Really hope Intrepid can handle the massive amount of gold sellers that will likely plague this game.

dunbarth said:

I'd like to see the players in game get a crack at the sellers.  Flag the characters with the bounty system and make them fully lootable on death, and flag their freeholds for attack, and fully lootable as well.  Same goes for those doing the buying.

Just imagine if, in addition to a ban or suspension, a GM flags a gold seller for pvp in a big city. We'd get to instagib him for some sweet, sweet justice.

ArchivedUser

a6point6 They haven't went into detail about their system and they won't because if they explain how it works then they expose themselves to exploits, but the community can do their part as well by reporting/griefing the gold farmers.  That said, I hope their system works and really cuts down on this.  As we all know it's pretty much impossible to completely stop it, but if you have a good system you can seriously limit it.

ArchivedUser

@Aguasatori Hopefully they will make certain people very low level GMs, basicly only there to mute/ban goldsellers. I wouldnt mind, most people probably wouldn't. But there has to be a little check or something before they go muting everyone in the world

ArchivedUser

@a6point6 They haven't went into detail about how their security system works to combat this and they won't.  They have said they have thought this out (which obviously they should have) and they have one in place.  We can also do our part as a community and report/grief bots to limit their gold farming capabilities.  I certain hope we can keep them to a minimum because totally eliminating them is next to impossible.

ArchivedUser

gold selling normally goes hand in hand with botting. You need to craft/trade to make money to sell in the first place.

So they need cheap access, predictable abilities and scripted activities. Remove them and you remove the bots. Remove the bots and you make gold selling too much of a pain in the arse to bother with. It is not economically viable from a effort/reward perspective.

They want something they can harvest rapidly and easily to sell as quickly and profitably as possible 24/7/365

ArchivedUser

@Rune_Relic
Hopefully botting will be hard, or at least the have to adapt all the time. If we use Stevens mithril example: If someone/group bot a mithril mine the market will overflow and the goods devalue quickly, then they either have to adapt or transport the goods, both take time and ressourses away from the botter (<-- which is a very good thing ). 
So just by the nature of the game I would imagine it would be hard to bot, but given enough time it might become a problem.

ArchivedUser

Considering you can't play the game without an active subscription which means you need a valid checking, debit card/paypal, in order to play it comes down to tracking accounts with heavy gold movement. And if need be block those payment accounts. Sellers arent going to enjoy having to establish a new bank account every time they get caught. This isnt the first game these guys have worked on.

ArchivedUser

My input. The reason I buy gold from sellers is because power gamers in the system have a cashe of gold to throw around in-game for their friends or guildees.  In the other sense, gold sellers even the playing field, although 'pity to penniless.' 

ArchivedUser

Isn't the gold just to purchase cosmetic things like skins and items? 

ArchivedUser

There will only gold sellers if there buyers.
I say they take a hard stance any 1 caught buying gets there account banned for life.

ArchivedUser

Authorize said:

To be honest, it falls to the community as much as it does to Intrepid. Gold sellers will and have always found a way. I've not seen a game where gold sellers never showed up in the masses at one point or another. 

Simple, and sadly unlikely, but if no one is buying gold then they don't have the resources to continue running the bots

It really does need to be a community effort. I know they're going to be active in combating this, but it's very hard to have confidence when other studios and publishers have not been able to do so effectively.

If the community doesn't tolerate gold buying from its peers then it will squeeze the black market and should make Intrepid's job easier.

It's harder said than done though when you find out "trusted" guildies and close friends have been purchasing gold or rmt items.

ArchivedUser

ArkadyRandom    said:

"It really does need to be a community effort. I know they're going to be active in combating this, but it's very hard to have confidence when other studios and publishers have not been able to do so effectively."

Exactly.  There are many other publishers and studios who did nothing to discourage them right from the start.  One game not long ago was infested with gold sellers from day one. 

Intrepid has acknowledged this problem is states they are already working on it. That's a big plus.

CylverRayne

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ArkadyRandom    said:

"It really does need to be a community effort. I know they're going to be active in combating this, but it's very hard to have confidence when other studios and publishers have not been able to do so effectively."

Exactly.  There are many other publishers and studios who did nothing to discourage them right from the start.  One game not long ago was infested with gold sellers from day one. 

Intrepid has acknowledged this problem is states they are already working on it. That's a big plus.

CylverRayne

ArchivedUser

ArkadyRandom    said:

"It really does need to be a community effort. I know they're going to be active in combating this, but it's very hard to have confidence when other studios and publishers have not been able to do so effectively."

Exactly.  There are many other publishers and studios who did nothing to discourage them right from the start.  One game not long ago was infested with gold sellers from day one. 

Intrepid has acknowledged this problem is states they are already working on it. That's a big plus.

CylverRayne

ArchivedUser

Just like Melite said their will be no gold seller unless you want to be banned.

ArchivedUser

Just like Melite said their will be no gold seller unless you want to be banned.

ArchivedUser

Melite said:

They discussed this in a few of their livestreams on twitch. They mentioned already having multiple measures in place to prepare against gold selling.

That's a horrible comment. And not an answer. Don't just post saying they answered, answer the mans question, maybe he cant find the info.
 Steven said in an earlier interview that they will have active gm support so like in wow how you have trade chat spammers and gold sellers I assume they would get almost insta banned from the tight moderation and defense.