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A disappointing tone.

It’s disappointing to see the tone the forums have taken since the last upgrade. I have largely stayed away but I thought it was worthy of note. Open hostility is often the hallmark for a future cesspool. MMO official forums often end up serving a vocal minority as other gamers simply have no patience for anonymous internet heroes.

It’s one thing to disagree, have a pissing match once in a while and move on. It’s another to establish an accept tone of angst and hostility, often under the hospices of “passionate fans”. It’s beginning to manifest itself here. The game has a lot of potential and there are a lot of guilds looking at it as a potential new time sink.

Don’t let it become a cesspool of aggression, where the few, via time investment and quantity of posts run rough shot over meaningful discourse. “This game is X if you don’t like it doesn’t play it” is often the starting point.

Thanks for your time and best of luck, lots of us are watching!  

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  • Curious. Doesn't a post like this call out those who would be the exact kind of forum posters you are talking about weeding out? Isn't this very thread like flame to those moths? What is your goal for posting this?
  • I'm curious where you've seen this. I have found a majority of posts and posters to be quite amicable (got this word from my Word of the Day toilet paper!)

    I feel it bears repeating that disagreement does not equal hostility. Just because someone offers another view point doesn't mean they are attacking you. 

    And on the flip side, you don't need to go on the offensive just because someone said something you don't agree with.

    Overall though, this forum has been a few levels lower in toxic behavior than most I've seen. :)
  • As someone whose spent a little time here since I signed up, I must say that this isn't the impression I've gotten of the community at all. I'd advocate that the majority (by far) of the threads have been mature and constructive discussions based on the limited knowledge we have so far, right down to idotic(me :D) comments with a hint of humour.

    Already, I could name half a dozen posters who I feel quite comfortable with and I'm getting to know more and more each day. If you have come across certain threads or posts that are impolite, unconstructive or downright mean then I urge you to spend more time, not less, and see that those kind of posts/threads/comments are not a true representation of the majority here.

    I sincerely hope time will drain the cesspool, and if it doesn't send @Nagash a pm as he's very good at pulling things down to the under-realm :)

  • Kratz said:

    As someone whose spent a little time here since I signed up, I must say that this isn't the impression I've gotten of the community at all. I'd advocate that the majority (by far) of the threads have been mature and constructive discussions based on the limited knowledge we have so far, right down to idotic(me :D) comments with a hint of humour.

    Already, I could name half a dozen posters who I feel quite comfortable with and I'm getting to know more and more each day. If you have come across certain threads or posts that are impolite, unconstructive or downright mean then I urge you to spend more time, not less, and see that those kind of posts/threads/comments are not a true representation of the majority here.

    I sincerely hope time will drain the cesspool, and if it doesn't send @Nagash a pm as he's very good at pulling things down to the under-realm :)

    As soon as I read "drain the cesspool" my brain immediately thought of @nagash

  • @Krojak Always wants to know peoples motives .... WHO ARE YOU REALLY WHY YOU ASK SO MANY QUESTIONS!
  • Heh, it feels kinda positive at the moment. I really haven't seen a lot of hostility. Some angry posts here and there but they're few and far between. 

    Perhaps everything seems so positive here because I come from the shroud of the avatar forums. Hahaha. 
  • Mosaic said:
    @Krojak Always wants to know peoples motives .... WHO ARE YOU REALLY WHY YOU ASK SO MANY QUESTIONS!
    Who am I really? I could simply ask you to google my name, but I'll leave that up to you to see if you want to figure out who I am :)
  • Trolls will be trolls ... ?
  • I don't know what forums you are reading but I've not seen this hostility so far :o Good warning though for those that wish to start spreading negativity! Away negativity!
  • Mosaic said:
    @Krojak Always wants to know peoples motives .... WHO ARE YOU REALLY WHY YOU ASK SO MANY QUESTIONS!

    Mosaic said:
    @Krojak Always wants to know peoples motives .... WHO ARE YOU REALLY WHY YOU ASK SO MANY QUESTIONS!


    I know, as a long time MMO forum goer you never feed people like that. You allow them to dwell in their self creations. 

    if the post was a tough read I truly apologize. I thought it was pretty straight forward and direct. 

    Anyway, thanks for the replies. Have a great day. 



  • I have only seen a few negative post and try to nip those ones when I see them ... Lets just play nice and theory craft about a wonderful future game together. 
  • I haven't really seen that sort of thing happen yet.  a few judgemental posts, sure, but nothing I'm not used to.

    And if you want to be heard, speak!  Even Steven is not psychic, and there are multiple venues to voice your suggestions. 
  • Krojak said:
     
    As soon as I read "drain the cesspool" my brain immediately thought of @nagash

    I have to learn NOT to take a sip of tea when I am reading some of these posts!


    BTW I agree.                    *wipes off her KB*
  • @Kratz when we drain the cesspool can we make hats?
  • Krojak said:
     
    As soon as I read "drain the cesspool" my brain immediately thought of @nagash

    I have to learn NOT to take a sip of tea when I am reading some of these posts!


    BTW I agree.                    *wipes off her KB*
    Sorry! That Lich has a certain air about him that just welcomes that kind of talk. :)
  • @ Malic-Valdon
     I'm sorry you feel that way.  Most conversations here have been informative and just that "conversations". Debates ensue yes,  and people may have different point of views but for the most part everyone has been cordial and friendly and repsect that others have different views and experiences.   If it was any other way I would not be here myself other then to read.

    You can bet most of us if not will try to ward off trolls and doomsayers.  :)

    We have a great community forming here and it would be nice if perhaps you joined in more to get to know people. 

    CylverRayne
  • @ Malic-Valdon
     I'm sorry you feel that way.  Most conversations here have been informative and just that "conversations". Debates ensue yes,  and people may have different point of views but for the most part everyone has been cordial and friendly and repsect that others have different views and experiences.   If it was any other way I would not be here myself other then to read.

    You can bet most of us if not will try to ward off trolls and doomsayers.  :)

    We have a great community forming here and it would be nice if perhaps you joined in more to get to know people. 

    CylverRayne
    *loudly clears his throat*

    "No! You're wrong! And you're stupid! And you smell funny! Trolls forever!"
  • @Kratz I want a hat too !!
  • Most of the threads have been fine honestly. Of course, there are a few bad eggs, but those are few and far between. I can honestly say that so far, this is one of the nicest communities I've seen.
  • Krojak said:
    @ Malic-Valdon
     I'm sorry you feel that way.  Most conversations here have been informative and just that "conversations". Debates ensue yes,  and people may have different point of views but for the most part everyone has been cordial and friendly and repsect that others have different views and experiences.   If it was any other way I would not be here myself other then to read.

    You can bet most of us if not will try to ward off trolls and doomsayers.  :)

    We have a great community forming here and it would be nice if perhaps you joined in more to get to know people. 

    CylverRayne
    *loudly clears his throat*

    "No! You're wrong! And you're stupid! And you smell funny! Trolls forever!"

                          *douses you with fire and watches you melt*
  • Krojak said:
    @ Malic-Valdon
     I'm sorry you feel that way.  Most conversations here have been informative and just that "conversations". Debates ensue yes,  and people may have different point of views but for the most part everyone has been cordial and friendly and repsect that others have different views and experiences.   If it was any other way I would not be here myself other then to read.

    You can bet most of us if not will try to ward off trolls and doomsayers.  :)

    We have a great community forming here and it would be nice if perhaps you joined in more to get to know people. 

    CylverRayne
    *loudly clears his throat*

    "No! You're wrong! And you're stupid! And you smell funny! Trolls forever!"

                          *douses you with fire and watches you melt*
    "I'M MELTING! MELLLLLTINNNNNG! WHAT A WORLD!"
  • Karthos said:
    @Kratz when we drain the cesspool can we make hats?
    I never look good in hats but...........alright then! :)
  • As of yet I have seen very little negativity here.  In fact I would go as far as saying that nearly every post here is reasonably polite and respectful.  The only flaming I have seen has been aimed at people that clearly want to pay to win or have convenience over imersion.  Obviously just a polite "look else where, this is not the game for you" is all that is needed and in the most part all that I have seen.  Personnally I am very happy with the tone of this forum at the mo.
  • There will always be people trying to get a rise out of others but overall i have felt the community to be very good especially for an MMO.
  • Sintu said:
    There will always be people trying to get a rise out of others but overall i have felt the community to be very good especially for an MMO.
    Like your sig but like what you said better ;)
  • I didn't see any hostility too. People often have different opinions but I never saw a real fight or hate between  forum users. Maybe I am just posting in different topics. 
    Sure some people are trolls, but it happens everywhere and it's just minority.
  • I quite honestly came to this thread looking for juicy drama.

    Sadly disappointed, he crosses the bridge with no trolls in sight :(
  • I haven't seen any real evidence of the forums turning toxic. Sure, there are those that are full of crap, but hey, you are what you eat. Overall, everyone has been super hype and insightful, be it taking time out of their day to answer questions that have already been gone over, rather than saying "Watch the Q&A scrub!", and when it comes to mechanic topics: from class Archetypes to how the economy and pvp will work, everyone has been giving their own insight and their idea of how it should be done.

    Devil's Advocate: Yes, there has been some crying going on, like about the KS, "forced pvp" and the like, but still that is a very small part of the forums. I suggest overlooking those posts for something more stimulating, like talking about what you might like to play and where you see your self once the game launches
  • *offers @Malic-Valdon huggles. * 
    Actually as this is about community, I think everyone ought to get in here. . . . 
    *community cuddles*
  • I've only really seen a couple people be truly belligerent and really just didn't bother with it for the most part. Most of my time spent is discussing game mechanics in a resistance thread though lol.
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