Glorious Alpha Two Testers!

Phase I of Alpha Two testing will occur on weekends. Each weekend is scheduled to start on Fridays at 10 AM PT and end on Sundays at 10 PM PT. Find out more here.

Check out Alpha Two Announcements here to see the latest Alpha Two news and update notes.

Our quickest Alpha Two updates are in Discord. Testers with Alpha Two access can chat in Alpha Two channels by connecting your Discord and Intrepid accounts here.

Possible Guild Promotion Project? :/ ( NO DRAMA INCLUDED )

2»

Comments

  • I'm all for "hard questions", but what kind of "hard questions"? I'm of the opinion that the only hard question that needs to be asked is along the lines of why does the nature/type of your guild make it a good guild.

    At this point in the game, about the only thing a guild can do is present its goals, guidelines, structure, etc. A guild can defend the claim that they have the best guild based on their agenda, leadership, whatever, but what else can they say? There's no factual game experience, so to speak, that can be pointed to. 

  • Elder said:
    BCGiant said:
    If someone could explain the region comments i would appreciate it. Because if i follow your logic it would mean that i shouldnt also have people from other regions on the other two community projects, correct?

    Well no, the way I see it we're all apart of the same community but when it comes to guilds and regions we're apart of smaller micro-communities. If someone is looking for a guild on the forums they first start looking through their specific regions recruitment threads. It would be more convenient for your viewers. 

    I don't see any moral issue with it but if you're planning on doing one guild a month you'll have to pick and choose which guild gets the spot. It might create some drama if you were to neglect one region more than the others. Even if you were to spotlight all the regions equally you'll be left with one guild from each region months into the project, it doesn't leave much choice for your viewer's consideration. 



    Ok then give me an idea to how the format would work? Becaus atm i doubt guilds would run my door in to be on something like this?!
  • dabudo said:

    I'm all for "hard questions", but what kind of "hard questions"? I'm of the opinion that the only hard question that needs to be asked is along the lines of why does the nature/type of your guild make it a good guild.

    At this point in the game, about the only thing a guild can do is present its goals, guidelines, structure, etc. A guild can defend the claim that they have the best guild based on their agenda, leadership, whatever, but what else can they say? There's no factual game experience, so to speak, that can be pointed to. 

    You see that? Constructive criticism without the QQ. <3 
  • Drax979 said:
    Tirithel said:
    Drax979 said:
    Who cares if he wants to do guild interviews? 
    He asked everyone's opinion by even starting this thread, people are free to voice if they agree or disagree with him.
    Sure but there's a difference between "I don't think this is a good reason because of ____ reason" and laying out a decent counter argument. I mean that's how it works right?

    Tirithel said:
    Who made you an authority on guilds? The guild fair for AoC accomplished what it was made for - people were able to state what they wanted and aspired for their guilds - this seems like a witch hunt.

    Pot kettle much? You literally started your response ready to blast him instead of adding constructive criticism and the whole point of his thread was to get better info and ask tougher questions besides the stale content at the guild summit, he legit asked because he wanted better Q&A besides "What are your goals?" "To run the server and be the top guild"

    So again all I'm seeing is WAAAAAAAA 
    You're right - I didn't give him suggestions, because it's a shit idea. It's giving authority to the streamer to discredit/disprove guilds they they may not know anything about. How do you provide "proof" that you want to be the "No. 1 guild [REGION NAME HERE]?" You don't. It's something that is a goal or aspiration. If he want's to do it, he can, I just think it's a shit idea - and have stated as such. 

    If you "prove" something to them and they just say "no that's wrong" then what's the point even? It turns into a cluster-fuck.
  • Let's keep this thread on the topic of the OP, no need to flame/troll other community members or their idea's. 
  • Tirithel said:
    Drax979 said:
    Tirithel said:
    Drax979 said:
    Who cares if he wants to do guild interviews? 
    He asked everyone's opinion by even starting this thread, people are free to voice if they agree or disagree with him.
    Sure but there's a difference between "I don't think this is a good reason because of ____ reason" and laying out a decent counter argument. I mean that's how it works right?

    Tirithel said:
    Who made you an authority on guilds? The guild fair for AoC accomplished what it was made for - people were able to state what they wanted and aspired for their guilds - this seems like a witch hunt.

    Pot kettle much? You literally started your response ready to blast him instead of adding constructive criticism and the whole point of his thread was to get better info and ask tougher questions besides the stale content at the guild summit, he legit asked because he wanted better Q&A besides "What are your goals?" "To run the server and be the top guild"

    So again all I'm seeing is WAAAAAAAA 
    You're right - I didn't give him suggestions, because it's a shit idea. It's giving authority to the streamer to discredit/disprove guilds they they may not know anything about. How do you provide "proof" that you want to be the "No. 1 guild [REGION NAME HERE]?" You don't. It's something that is a goal or aspiration. If he want's to do it, he can, I just think it's a shit idea - and have stated as such. 

    If you "prove" something to them and they just say "no that's wrong" then what's the point even? It turns into a cluster-fuck.
    I don't think proving guilds weren't No. 1 was the idea he was pitching, just an example used to convey his intention to ask some more difficult questions during guild interviews.
  • Oh look, drama in the "no drama" thread!!!!


  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited November 2017
    Ok, apparently it was a bad idea to bring this to the forums because some people it seems cant keep their personal issues with me to themselves.

    The Idea was to give new members and other community members a different way to look at guilds that's it, while always keeping a neutral position for myself. Neither was this meant to defame any guild or be a "Witch Hunt,  nearly to let guilds state their goals while not letting some guilds talk like they are the greatest guild ever without having anything to back it up.

    I want to make this also clear for the last time to certain jaded individuals, that I am not promoting myself or trying to push myself onto anyone one. All the Projects that I do are for the community and to put them into the spotlight because I do enjoy being part of it.

    Furthermore, let me add this, right now I still feel this might be a good idea to do and none of the people that had the "need" to post against it gave me a real reason to doubt it. I might have to work on the format that's it. So thanks for the comments, the thoughts, the opinions the trolls and the pathetic attempt to get this post deleted by the mod. So have your cookie.

    PS: I will ask the mods to take this post down by the end of the weekend.



  • Honestly @BCGiant do what ever you feel you want.

    The negativity here is apparently coming from a personal place and the fact that somebody doesn't like me has never stopped me from doing something I wanted to do.

    However I'm also universally loved by all, so it's not much of an issue.

    Ultimately, if you want to do this, then do it!  You did ask for opinions and got them. If this is something you really want to do and the critical remarks haven't changed that, then honestly, fuck them and what they think. 

    Don't let your dreams remain dreams. 
  • @BCGiant is airing ideas for podcasts he does for the benefit of the community, and instead of giving some constructive criticism, he just gets attacked. He puts his own time and effort into these projects at least have the decency to say you don't think its a good idea in a respectful manner. I think its a productive idea to get some more in depth questions aimed at guilds in order to get a better feel for where their priorities lie. Just my opinion.
  • I think Guild interviews would be great. Maybe have various types of guild and you could interview guilds that fall into the category of the week.

    This is what I use to categories Guilds.
    • Hardcore - Ultra competitive tries to be Ranked #1 often within the top 10 guilds. Very high demanding and high requirements to join. Often difficult for people to maintain life while meeting the rigerous demands of the guild.
    • Progressive ( Competitive ) - Very competitive tries for high ranking tho not too die-hard. Tries to  keep up with most end game content. Often has some sort of min requirements.
    • Progressive-Family -   Competent for some of the hardest end game content while maintain a friendly atmosphere, with the understanding that people have lives. Often these guilds can be in the top 20 because of high retention and friendlyness.
    • Family>Progressive - People who are busy with work and family but still like to work towards end game content.  People who like a casual guild but can still accomplish endgame content but not at the risk of job or time with the family. 
    • Family - Very casual and friendly often people that are very busy in RL and play when they can. 
    There are some nice places to go for guild info already which is pleasantly surprising at this stage of the game.

    Recruitment:


    I think a Podcast with interviews would be awesome. 


  • Don't do it. Stay away from that dark part of the community. Fact checking what guilds have done in other games is pointless since this is about AOC now. None of those achievements carry over to AOC. The proof will come after launch. 

    I would stick with the promotional part of guilds, for now, let guilds talk about themselves for now. Get people interested in the "glitz and glam" of it all. 

    Don't kick that hornets' nest. 

  • I say to all the toxic replies...shame!



    @BCGiant is a good guy just trying to feed his AOC hunger. Shouldn't matter if it brings up salt or drama. AOC wants its community to be strong and what's going to bring us together is ripping it apart and getting to the dirt and grime of it all. 

    So I say do it! 
  • I don't find asking a guild if they wanna be number one, or where on the rankings they feel as though they're gonna place to be a problem, however I do think asking followup questions is a very good idea, like: "How will you achieve this?" or "What aspect of the game will you be focusing on then?"

    The idea of interviewing different guilds is a pretty good idea, but it is personally something that I would wait doing, because the guild system and most aspects of the game haven't really been fleshed out yet. You could potentially ask them about their core ideas and theorycraft, but not much beyond that, which is sad.

    I would of course watch it if you made a series, as your videos and streams are always top notch  :)
  • I am very open to the concept! Props to you BCG!

    I'm shocked the necro police aka @Lex let this post be revived :trollface:
  • Did someone mention guild drama ?
     :tongue:
  • Most of the guilds will not last until aoc release.


  • Who revived this post -.-
    The Idea behind the project was, to allow everybody who want to pomote their guild!
    But 
    If someone would make the claim, that they would be the top guild and so on, like during the guild fair! I would turn around and ask them for proof and what they are basing a statement like this on. Thats it.
  • Go for it mate hard questions need to be asked if guilds are scared of not answering these questions then the community must know. I would suggest do it for all regions all are equal aoc is an international community not just one region furthermore you're a content creator which means you be helping more people based on how great the scope of the regions you select to do. At the end of day if you going to boast with claims that you guild can crush everything then prove it otherwhise shut up and don't both recruiting  because you will be portrayed like a fraud and must be held accountable for it. 

    FOR THE PEOPLE OF VERA !
  • I think this would be a good idea. There are some newer guilds that missed the guild fair and newer players without a guild.  There will never be total agreement on an idea. If people don't want to participate that is there choice. If it would help calm people down, you could do something similar to the "From The Ashes" podcast by @Aggelos. He sometimes will have guild leaders one and ask them about their guild and what they will be doing ingame. Along, with the leaders opinion to some of the newer announcements.
  • BCGiant said:

    During all three of the guild fairs, we had guilds claiming they will be Nr. 1 and so on, due to the nature of the guild fair I couldn't ask the hard question like "Prove it" or "Why do you think you will be Nr.1".
    It does not really matter if they think they are, they dont have to prove anything to you. Its up to you to join them or not. At the interview process you should ask the right questions. Then you will find out for yourself if these are baseless claims or they are trying to be number one. We all know guilds try to recruit as many people as possible, but some are well managed and others have grandeur of greatness.
    You need to ask yourself what have these guilds done in the last 12 months.
  • BCGiant said:

    During all three of the guild fairs, we had guilds claiming they will be Nr. 1 and so on, due to the nature of the guild fair I couldn't ask the hard question like "Prove it" or "Why do you think you will be Nr.1".
    It does not really matter if they think they are, they dont have to prove anything to you. Its up to you to join them or not. At the interview process you should ask the right questions. Then you will find out for yourself if these are baseless claims or they are trying to be number one. We all know guilds try to recruit as many people as possible, but some are well managed and others have grandeur of greatness.
    You need to ask yourself what have these guilds done in the last 12 months.
    Never sad they need to prove anything to me :) but where is the problem with asking for an explanation or something to back up a claim like that?
  • BCGiant said:
    Never sad they need to prove anything to me :) but where is the problem with asking for an explanation or something to back up a claim like that?
    Hence this is where you ask these questions in the interview process.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited March 2018
    I like the idea but tbh I just think it's to early in the development of the game.

    I think the video will get pretty boring cause you will get some good answer for like a few episodes and then the same over and over again cause there is still an nda.
    But then again if you do it once a month this argument would be invalid pretty soon.

    Next thing that you can think about is, are there any guild outside of NA? Like EU or OCE for example. This way you can hit a variety of viewers.

    What I'm worried about is that the guild leader not want to speak about all there strategic moves, cause it can put them in a disadvantage. So the information can be limited.
  • Here is what i do over the weekend. I will  setup a basic format and do a few trial runs and post them depending on how they go i can make it a thing or throw it into the trash.
  • Like I have said a few times @BCGiant I think its a good idea, and would love to do an interview with this topic, since I was working the day of the Guild Fair and missed the opportunity. 

    I think Asking hard questions is also a good idea, just to hear the GM way of dealing with things, under pressure and shows viewers what they are getting themselves into.

  • gundel said:
    Like I have said a few times @BCGiant I think its a good idea, and would love to do an interview with this topic, since I was working the day of the Guild Fair and missed the opportunity. 

    I think Asking hard questions is also a good idea, just to hear the GM way of dealing with things, under pressure and shows viewers what they are getting themselves into.

    That was the Idea :P
Sign In or Register to comment.