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AoC is p2w
Let me try to show u guys how.
I have discussed this with several discord servers and most have agreed in the end. That being enough reasons to come here and clarify why.
What does p2w mean to you? Buying advantage over others? Or negating equal opportunities to other players?
If I want to p2w as most of you know it, I will win TIME. But the players behind me will still be able to catch up on me if I quit or take a break or slack. P2w as most of you know it means buying temporary power.
What I see in p2w is BUYING things you can NOT get ingame by any means. That is pay to win to me.
A 500 euros pack to "win" skins. That you cannot get ingame. not by grinding 300 hours because it clearly says "items in this blabla cannot be received anymore from anywhere"
So you NEED TO PAY, in order to have these items. You need to PAY, to win these. You won't pay to win time over ohters. You pay to win stuff over others that do NOT pay for it.
That, is p2w to me. You make it impossible for players to have equal opportunities to have the same items, not by effort shown ingame, but effort shown from the wallet.
Buying items to make you temporarily stronger over others, that is pay to boost.
Buying items that makes you have stuff that others won't be able to have if they don't do the same action (pay), that is pay to win.
I have discussed this with several discord servers and most have agreed in the end. That being enough reasons to come here and clarify why.
What does p2w mean to you? Buying advantage over others? Or negating equal opportunities to other players?
If I want to p2w as most of you know it, I will win TIME. But the players behind me will still be able to catch up on me if I quit or take a break or slack. P2w as most of you know it means buying temporary power.
What I see in p2w is BUYING things you can NOT get ingame by any means. That is pay to win to me.
A 500 euros pack to "win" skins. That you cannot get ingame. not by grinding 300 hours because it clearly says "items in this blabla cannot be received anymore from anywhere"
So you NEED TO PAY, in order to have these items. You need to PAY, to win these. You won't pay to win time over ohters. You pay to win stuff over others that do NOT pay for it.
That, is p2w to me. You make it impossible for players to have equal opportunities to have the same items, not by effort shown ingame, but effort shown from the wallet.
Buying items to make you temporarily stronger over others, that is pay to boost.
Buying items that makes you have stuff that others won't be able to have if they don't do the same action (pay), that is pay to win.
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We should all be thankful they did not include any actual P2W items, you know, boosts or actual gear/mounts, that would be P2W to me. And I do not for a second believe that gaining visuals paying with real money is P2W, but that's my opinion, clearly some people think it is.
We should be damn thankful that there is a project, at last, that is actually willing to go out and publically state that they will never introduce P2W, meaning actual in-game advantages to the gameplay. All they will have in their shop are cosmetics.
They have stated that cosmetic items will be available in game as well as the shop, this is nothing like the bullsh*t BDO has.
So OK. If people believe to think that it is in any way "unfair"/"P2W" to be able to buy cosmetics that will not be available in game with real money, then I really don't know what to say...
Given that kickstarters have rules and such, it can't be helped when something is, in the end a limited time offer, and in your understanding p2w.
Warframe did it best in my opinion. <shrug>
Anyway imo the only p2w aspect currently see able is the 2 days headstart and I really don't care about the arguments "nodes will be disabled" and " there are headstart servers" they are ignoring all the aspects of a 2days headstart.
2 days game time advantage to progress puts you far ahead to do whatever you want and set up early after those 2 days especially if you belong to an established community with quite a few members with that advantage.
I don't mind, in the end it's the same with blobb culture, it's there, it's a threat, but you can play around and against it. It is, in the end p2w tho.
Of course everyone has their own opinion on what p2w means to them but it is generally accepted that p2w is when you can buy something in the game that gives you advantage over the others not appearance but actual items that might make you have a head start over the other players (think warframe where someone spends a lot on platinium).
Clickbait over semantics and wording.
This reminds me of the time I helped my friend Devan with his intermural basketball team in college. They were named "The Razorbacks" after the very aggressive wild boar that populated the area where he grew up in the southern US. He needed someone not on the team to act as a sort of manager and back up player. I also played guard. I was decent, but probably the worst player on the team and I was usually on the bench calling plays or texting.
I had some free time, so we all gathered in what was called "The Walk" (short for Walker Hall) which contained a coffee/sandwich shop and a lively lounge. And free WiFi. The issue we needed to discuss was equipment, notably uniforms. Now I really favor retro designs, and had a few ideas. Red and Black with a snarling boar's Head on the front. They were a hit, so we went online and ordered custom jerseys.
However, the problem of paying for them came up. They cost $19.99 each! We were all starving college students. In fact I used to eat alot of Ramen and bread sandwiches back then. Some body suggested we buy them ourselves, each paying for their own.
But a guy from another team walked by and over heard us. He got quite upset. He claimed we now had an unfair advantage because we were paying for the uniforms rather than borrowing the more generic ones from the school. Instead we wanted to stand out. He promised to go on other college's message boards (yes this was some time ago) and tell everyone we were paying to win. His name was Stu Pore. It was obvious he was jealous of our sweet uniforms and the skills they would instill in us.
That season, with our paid-for uniforms, we went 12 and 0, winning the championship. It had nothing to do with the fact 3 of our players had been all state players in highschool, or that we practiced instead of just shooting around 4 days a week.
No, it was our uniforms. That we paid for. Because we wanted to look cool. We won the intramural basketball championship simply because we converted $19.99+shipping into red and black jersey no one else had.
Basketball is P2W.
Some times one needs to learn to take the good with the bad and in this case, so far for what I've seen the good hugely outweighs the bad which is more than I can say for any other MMORPG out there and makes me hopeful for the future.
Also those cosmetics do nothing to enhance your game experience. you could argue that for Fashion competitions, or maybe for role playing purposes but saying that the guy next to you won the battle, or got to a zone before you, or discovered something before you because his shoes were "blue" while yours were "red" is silly.
Top 3 epic scenes ever:
https://youtu.be/RprRRcbc_lw
I want to say something, but I'm speechless, yet I can't look away.
Not that I cannot afford it, neither am I from the east. .UnknownSystemError said: I just feel that this is wrong. It's worse than what most of you understand of p2w. The p2w you guys are familiar with really is just a boost in time but u can catch that up with your hard grinded time. This is litterally something you cannot do without money. I don't see how you guys don't get it. It's not about advantage but equality of opportunities to me, and that's where this does not respect that.
Apologies for my "horrible" english as some claim it, neither am I native english.
You know the alternative to buying something others don't have is either stealing or getting it free right?
I'm going to make the educated guess you are super butt hurt that you didn't get into the Kickstarter and because of this, you are salty over the fact you now don't have something other people do.
Welcome to the real world.
You excuse buying things in games that save time and are available to everyone, yet you think a cosmetic item that is exclusive is evil P2W?
Using your same logic means it's ok speed dangerously down the highway as long as you let everyone but it's not ok to let them drive a special car were only 100 we're made while doing it.
You fail to grasp the point that shatters your argument, and that's that there's literally no in game play advantage to a cosmetic item. Unless you think looking like a pirate makes you better at PvP or something. (Ok this might be true)
You're salty you don't either have the means or the timing to get something and you're ego won't handle it so you're lashing out.
People were given rewards for backing the game. This game you could play because they helped fund it. You should be thanking them like the company has by showering them in gifts. Your logic is bad and you should feel bad.
So Discord gets to redefine words/phrases and then complain something fits into the category they specifically designed to make that thing sound bad?
Let me know when the official Discordinary is out so I can get caught up.
BoW got you: Access to Live launch head-start - 2 days early!
Founder got you: Access to Live launch head-start - 1 day early!
and u dont beat anyone ingame in pve/pvp with those outfits alone, so its not p2w in my definition anyways.
But if people are scared of things they don't know about, or are ashamed to show their avatars dress-code to other avatars, that doesn't make the game p2w. It means the players are uniformed or self-conscious of pixels.
I compare AoC with my last main game. Let me give you a short review of the f2p game with its item shop:
- Buy so called "charms" which boost your dmg and deff by 20%/30%/50%. Yes, you can combine them. Even the 50% charm with another 50% charm from another pack to get 100% more dmg
- Costumes & Accessoirs with Dmg/Deff/Aim/Evasion/Crit
- Weapon skins from a lucky box (lootbox) with Dmg/Crit/Aim
- Pets which boosts your stats directly
The list goes on. Naturally there's content which requieres some of the mentioned items to clear it in a reasonable time (or clear it at all). Further more the raid system is based on most dmg, means you need to buy all of it to push your dmg to compete with the others in order to get the drop from the world boss.
This is what I call p2w. A skin without any bonus is something I can accept and an item shop with only cosmetic stuff would make me very happy.