Ok this post made me have to log in and post for the first time because I love it when people complain about immersion breaking things that are added to a game. This game literally has magic so what makes you think someone isn't going to make a magitech type mount? I on the other hand am going to buy it just to make people mad and "break their immersion"
I have actually been considering doing the same thing, and if people choose to attack me, I'm just not gonna fight back so that they gain corruption
Ok this post made me have to log in and post for the first time because I love it when people complain about immersion breaking things that are added to a game. This game literally has magic so what makes you think someone isn't going to make a magitech type mount? I on the other hand am going to buy it just to make people mad and "break their immersion"
I have actually been considering doing the same thing, and if people choose to attack me, I'm just not gonna fight back so that they gain corruption
Some things are worth the corruption
You may kill be, but eventually imma be able to steal yo gear
Ok this post made me have to log in and post for the first time because I love it when people complain about immersion breaking things that are added to a game. This game literally has magic so what makes you think someone isn't going to make a magitech type mount? I on the other hand am going to buy it just to make people mad and "break their immersion"
I have actually been considering doing the same thing, and if people choose to attack me, I'm just not gonna fight back so that they gain corruption
Some things are worth the corruption
You may kill be, but eventually imma be able to steal yo gear
Ok this post made me have to log in and post for the first time because I love it when people complain about immersion breaking things that are added to a game. This game literally has magic so what makes you think someone isn't going to make a magitech type mount? I on the other hand am going to buy it just to make people mad and "break their immersion"
Way ahead of you, bought mine a few days ago. cant wait to pk all the butthurt kids lol
I too am a bit disappointed by this line of cosmetics. I'm one who can't stand the eastern mmo style, it's just not me, and for me, it breaks immersion. I don't want to run around a world with a race of people who look like 10 year old girls, wearing disturbingly skimpy outfits, killing enemies with swords bigger than a horse.
I know intrepid has none of this,yet, but this character's I just described would be running around on these silly looking teddy bears as they make there way to their swan like ship. I want bigger and bolder from intrepid, not little and silly.
I'm one who can't stand the eastern mmo style, it's just not me, and for me, it breaks immersion. I don't want to run around a world with a race of people who look like 10 year old girls, wearing disturbingly skimpy outfits, killing enemies with swords bigger than a horse
Reminder that Teddy Bears are actually an American convention, bikini plate and oversized weapons have been explicitly unconfirmed, and so have "child-like" races.
Nothing confirmed/unconfirmed about skimpy outfits. Though from concept art it looks like casual wear looks more revolutionary war. Didn't see a lot of bikini pinups from that period. Boobie sliders confirmed. No male endowment sliders confirmed.
Looking at the development staff, I noticed there aren't any females present. This leads me to wonder if the in-game female models are going to be a rehash of games past, specifically in the department of clothing.
You know what I'm talking about: A female fighter with an armor class to take on the world who visually looks like she's wearing a mid-drift top and hot-pants. It's kind of contrived and I don't always want my females 'pretty' from a roleplaying perspective. Sometimes you don't want to play Xena as much as you want Brienne of Tarth.
I guess this all leads to the question: What ARE your thoughts or plans on the topic of 'realistic' armor options?
Quote from Steven and Jeffrey:
Q: Oki asks will you go for a bikini plate armor for females?
A: (Steven) Personally I'm more of the mind that it wouldn't really serve a purpose to have bikini plate armor, just in like reality like if you're gonna have armor it should be protective. I think from a fashion statement is enjoyable for some people, but it's a kind of immersive issue.
A: (Jeffrey) It really depends on what your flavor is right and we're going for kind of a more realistic look; not necessarily realistic setting but kind of we want our characters to have weight and kind of feel like you know they're there that this could possibly maybe be an alternate world somewhere.
So I found out this other game did a flying 5 person kitten mount. Now, that's obviously ridiculous and there is no way we can permit that in Ashes. No, seriously. Five people is too many. I have no problem with four though.
Yeah. Its basically a way for the Devs to say...hey people...heres something to troll others with. Enjoy the salt.
I doubt they had any idea there would be a controversy at all. I was pretty surprised myself when I heard about it. This kind of stuff is in nearly every MMO with cosmetic microtransactions, only worse. I feel bad for anyone who actually thought they could make a cosmetic shop that pretty much replaces the box price of the game and fill it with the same exact stuff you can get in game. It has to be shiny or nobody is going to buy it.
I am also perplexed how anyone's immersion can be broken when they know next to nothing about the world's aesthetic to have formed an opinion on what is immersive on Verra in the first place. What has happened is people headcannoned a bunch of stuff they wanted to fill the void in what was known about the world, and are now having to adapt their inaccurate assumptions to the end product.
This will not be the last cute item. Far from it. The good news is you don't have to use them. Your sense of immersion does not trump anyone else's though. And I find this bear increases my own immersion into a FANTASY world full of magic.
I feel bad for anyone who actually thought they could make a cosmetic shop that pretty much replaces the box price of the game and fill it with the same exact stuff you can get in game. It has to be shiny or nobody is going to buy it.
Game requires monthly subscription. There needs to be no replacing for anything.
Cash shop is OK for P2P game, but only if it features only cosmetics, and if those cosmetics are available through game as well.
People paying subscription need to be able to get everything through playing the game, and CS in P2P game can only offer alternative to getting same cosmetics available from game, for people that can't spend so much time in game that they are able to gain cosmetics on their own, so they trade some cash to get them.
Cosmetics that are "more shiny" in CS than in game, have no place in P2P game.
Cash shop is OK for P2P game, but only if it features only cosmetics, and if those cosmetics are available through game as well.
All of this was explained during kickstarter. The time to protest or object to the inclusion of a cosmetic shop was THEN, and deciding to back the game with full knowledge this was going to be a thing only to now take issue with it is a non-starter.
WoW has a cash shop, box and expansion prices and a sub. FFXIV has a box price, expansion price, a sub and a shop. ESO has an optional sub and cosmetic shop, but also has a box and expansion prices.
Ashes only requiring a sub and having a non P2W shop makes it one of the least monetized games I have had any involvement with.
@Gigabear we are not talking about existence of CS cosmetics, we are talking about CS cosmetics that would be "MORE SHINY" than in game obtained cosmetics, which is a NO GO.
CS cosmetics being on pair with in game obtain cosmetics is OK.
If they place "crap cosmetics" in game, and "all the good stuff in CS" they will not get a cent from me, not even for a sub.
I believe @Gothix has a good point in terms of the comparison between Cash Shop cosmetics and cosmetics available in game.
I was extremely disappointed and annoyed when Black Desert Online released and everyone of a certain class looked exactly the same. What was even more infuriating was that the only way to look different, or even decent was to cough up real money and throw it at the Cash Shop. Now that is what I believe to be a disgusting way of running a Cash Shop.
Initially, I was rather worried about how IS were going to go about implementing a balance between Cash Shop and in-game cosmetics. However, since then I have seen several statements about it and so far I like what I am reading: These are 2 easily found comments from Steven found in the #intrepid_answers section of their Discord.
Obviously it's up to IS to keep their promise and show us that in-game cosmetics are as decent as the Cash Shop ones, but for now I choose to believe they will be true to their statements.
@Gigabear we are not talking about existence of CS cosmetics, we are talking about CS cosmetics that would be "MORE SHINY" than in game obtained cosmetics, which is a NO GO.
CS cosmetics being on pair with in game obtain cosmetics is OK.
If they place "crap cosmetics" in game, and "all the good stuff in CS" they will not get a cent from me, not even for a sub.
Fair enough. I wasn't suggesting this is how they SHOULD do it, but only since so many are opposed to having cute cosmetics as it is that doubling them by having the also obtainable in game wouldn't be embraced.
I'm totally fine with matching Stuffertons with something of equivalent in game quality of course. I just didn't think anyone would go for that but it seems they might.
Unless the implication was we not do cute at all, which the ship has CLEARLY sailed on that.
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and such is nature of cash shops....
I know intrepid has none of this,yet, but this character's I just described would be running around on these silly looking teddy bears as they make there way to their swan like ship. I want bigger and bolder from intrepid, not little and silly.
Nothing confirmed/unconfirmed about skimpy outfits. Though from concept art it looks like casual wear looks more revolutionary war. Didn't see a lot of bikini pinups from that period. Boobie sliders confirmed. No male endowment sliders confirmed.
Something fresh, original, and very cool at least.
There are other people, however, that do opposite, like me. When I see such things in game, I stop spending money on it out of principle.
Just though I would mention it to help add awareness.
I am also perplexed how anyone's immersion can be broken when they know next to nothing about the world's aesthetic to have formed an opinion on what is immersive on Verra in the first place. What has happened is people headcannoned a bunch of stuff they wanted to fill the void in what was known about the world, and are now having to adapt their inaccurate assumptions to the end product.
This will not be the last cute item. Far from it. The good news is you don't have to use them. Your sense of immersion does not trump anyone else's though. And I find this bear increases my own immersion into a FANTASY world full of magic.
Game requires monthly subscription. There needs to be no replacing for anything.
Cash shop is OK for P2P game, but only if it features only cosmetics, and if those cosmetics are available through game as well.
People paying subscription need to be able to get everything through playing the game, and CS in P2P game can only offer alternative to getting same cosmetics available from game, for people that can't spend so much time in game that they are able to gain cosmetics on their own, so they trade some cash to get them.
Cosmetics that are "more shiny" in CS than in game, have no place in P2P game.
WoW has a cash shop, box and expansion prices and a sub. FFXIV has a box price, expansion price, a sub and a shop. ESO has an optional sub and cosmetic shop, but also has a box and expansion prices.
Ashes only requiring a sub and having a non P2W shop makes it one of the least monetized games I have had any involvement with.
CS cosmetics being on pair with in game obtain cosmetics is OK.
If they place "crap cosmetics" in game, and "all the good stuff in CS" they will not get a cent from me, not even for a sub.
I was extremely disappointed and annoyed when Black Desert Online released and everyone of a certain class looked exactly the same. What was even more infuriating was that the only way to look different, or even decent was to cough up real money and throw it at the Cash Shop. Now that is what I believe to be a disgusting way of running a Cash Shop.
Initially, I was rather worried about how IS were going to go about implementing a balance between Cash Shop and in-game cosmetics. However, since then I have seen several statements about it and so far I like what I am reading:
These are 2 easily found comments from Steven found in the #intrepid_answers section of their Discord.
Obviously it's up to IS to keep their promise and show us that in-game cosmetics are as decent as the Cash Shop ones, but for now I choose to believe they will be true to their statements.
I'm totally fine with matching Stuffertons with something of equivalent in game quality of course. I just didn't think anyone would go for that but it seems they might.
Unless the implication was we not do cute at all, which the ship has CLEARLY sailed on that.